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Maybe not, but you can't cut them all.
Getting rid of Chuck sends a message.
I do think Diam has a valid point even if it isn't as valid as he thinks.
There is a timing issue here.
It is pretty clear Chuck was gone no matter what....making the trade was probably cheaper for Seattle as it looks like Atlanta and NY would be there in a bidding process.
Probably figured it better to get rid of the 6th rounder rather than end up paying Chuck more than he makes here.
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Stupid move now. They should have either kept him or made this move months ago. It took someone 1.5 quarters of film to decide he isn't the guy? Training camp and preseason didn't tell you this?
You all watch....Frye will end up in Green Bay before it's all said and done.
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KFFL is a joke sometimes. Of course BQ might start.... Josh Cribbs "might start" too.
That quote is from his press conference yesterday morning.
I'm at the edge of my seat waiting for todays presser. Can't wait to hear an explanation from the FO.
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And what has the FO or coaching staff done to make you think they had this great, secret master plan? Face it, they caved into fan pressure. And they couldn't even hold out until the second game. Buffoons.
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Seatle is an excellent fit for frye. I always believed he could be very successful in the WCO. Guess we will find out if that is true. I like the kid he had guts but he sucked in this system.
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Stupid move now. They should have either kept him or made this move months ago. It took someone 1.5 quarters of film to decide he isn't the guy? Training camp and preseason didn't tell you this?
You all watch....Frye will end up in Green Bay before it's all said and done.
It's like I said earlier..I think a large portion of the staff already knew this but Romeo gets hung up on "experience".
And I guess I can't blame him....other than experience, Romeo offers nothing. He has to view experience as a valuable asset.
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They didnt practice today, so there won't be a PC until tomorrow.
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Well, my hat is off to those that felt Charlie wasn't the guy... Apparently we will never know now but as long as the Browns win I'm good to go....
That's funny - we will never know...
What do you mean?
We know.
We found out today.
Frye is not the QB many thought he would be.
There's no 'we will never know'. We just found out. 
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Chud wanted Dorsey and Quinn. Romeo wanted Frye and Anderson and he got his wish.
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And what has the FO or coaching staff done to make you think they had this great, secret master plan? Face it, they caved into fan pressure. And they couldn't even hold out until the second game. Buffoons.
Maybe they gave in to Romeos will and should have done this weeks/months ago??
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I'm shocked at todays events. Not that Frye is gone but the fact we got anything for him.  I hope the team enjoys those pizza's Seattle sent! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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Stupid move now. They should have either kept him or made this move months ago. It took someone 1.5 quarters of film to decide he isn't the guy? Training camp and preseason didn't tell you this?
I need to put this on my clipboard to save time.. of course they already knew it... but if they had cut or traded Frye early in camp, then Anderson stunk it up, everybody would have been crying for Frye and saying what a dumb move it was to let him go when he was "obviously better".. (the words Pit has used about 8000 times).... So RAC kept him and proved that he's "obviously NOT better"...... So now if Anderson starts next week and stinks it up (I hope he doesn't but he very well could)... is anybody going to be clamoring for Frye? Nope. They'll be clamoring for Quinn, but then a large portion were going to be doing that anyway...
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Good luck Frye. 
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"SO we now have to HOPE DA can hold out until BQ gets up to speed on the offense."
Not much difference between hoping that DA and Dorsey can hold up until BQ is ready...than hoping CF and DA can hold up. Other than the 6th rounder we just received.
You mentioned Leftwich earlier...now I am a Marshall fan and saw many of his games. He was a fighter and a gunslinger and had the respect of all his teammates...but he is now a statue. His ankle is shot and his mobility is worse than that.
We'll go with Dorsey,DA and Quinn with Quinn starting our first away game.
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KFFL is a joke sometimes. Of course BQ might start.... Josh Cribbs "might start" too.
The Browns have traded Charlie Frye to the Seattle Seahawks for a sixth-round pick, FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer has reported.
The Seahawks chose to trade for Frye to be their No. 3 quarterback rather than sign Ken Dorsey, who worked out for them last week.
Dorsey will take Frye's place on the Browns roster. It remains to be seen how the Browns will reassemble their quarterback depth chart. Any of the three, which includes Derek Anderson and rookie Brady Quinn, could be a candidate to start Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals.
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What did we get for him, I bet it will be a 6th round pick.
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I totally agree with that post ExclDawg. DA and Frye had no trade value this spring and summer, and they were shopped around. Nice to get something for them now, and move forward toward what we all know is the future QB of the franchise.
I personally like Frye, and his toughness and comittment. I hope he has a 15 year career as a back-up and sometime starter in the NFL and earns millions of dollars.
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As I said...probably cheaper to send the pick then start bidding on a player with a few other teams.
His contract is good the way it is.....taking it on makes sense.
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You can't GM for the fans. You have to do things to give you the best chance to win. Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what the fans thought. If the GM didn't think he was the guy, he should have been cut or traded long ago.
For the record, I think Frye will be a starter in this league again.
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j/c what are the salary cap implications for us here ?
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The reason I think its a stupid move is because they have waited UNTIL THE SEASON opener to figure out they do not have starting QBs!! You gotta be kidding me!! ALL the camps..etc, and now they figure out that CF and DA are not the answer!! That is just foolish! If they make this move in the beginning of training camp, OK, but after you named him the starter, then you trade him, that is the dumbest thing since the Paul Warfield trade!!! The Browns waisted an entire off season with these two and did not get them up to speed. Hell, they should call B.Leftwich because there is no way BQ, who has only been in camp 3 weeks is going to help.
I think they knew they didn't have a starting QB since training camp broke. Everyone and their dog knows that we could put Frye, DA or Elvis back at QB and they would just be keeping the seat warm until Quinn comes in around the bye week. By keeping both of them on the roster until after the season started, it allowed other teams to lose QBs to injury and have a need to trade for one.
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They didnt practice today, so there won't be a PC until tomorrow.
After todays events, there better be a presser.
Inquiring fans want to know!
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Ya know, I don't really question the move, if they feel he's not the guy, then fine,,, but I do question the timing of this trade..
as for the rumor of Quinn starting against the Bengals,,,, I give up,, I'm not even going to speculate anymore. If it happens it happens.
I'm still curious about the timing of all this,,,
I wonder if anyone remembers that last week, it was reported that Dorsey visited the Seahawks,, but came away without a contract... Make of that what you will,, as I said, my speculation meter is busted
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I removed a post for name calling and normally it just removes that post and anyone directly responding to that post. Unfortunately, that did not happen as it is supposed to and many posts were removed including mine which reminded everyone that a talk show host is not an appropriate source but the thread will stand as it has been confirmed.
I apologize to anyone who's post was removed due to the glitch in the system.
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You can't GM for the fans. You have to do things to give you the best chance to win. Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what the fans thought. If the GM didn't think he was the guy, he should have been cut or traded long ago.
I would disagree to the extent that the same long term objective was met... it's not like he cut a better player for the fans or kept an inferior player for the fans... What was our option if we cut Frye? I see two... annoint DA the starter and Quinn the back-up and Dorsey the mentor/emergency guy... OR go out and overpay for a veteran to start a handful of games tops before being replaced...
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014233Browns deal Charlie Frye to Seahawks By Len Pasquarelli ESPN.com (Archive) Updated: September 11, 2007, 1:37 PM ET * Comment * Email * Print Just one game into the season, the Cleveland Browns will make a change at quarterback, as the team on Tuesday afternoon dealt third-year veteran Charlie Frye, who started Sunday's regular-season opener but was benched early in the game, to the Seattle Seahawks. Charlie Frye Frye It is believed that the Browns, who spent much of Monday seeking a trade partner for Frye, received a draft choice in return. There is no word yet on who will start for Cleveland in next Sunday's home game against the Cincinnati Bengals. The departure of Frye could pave the way for the Browns to turn the starting job over to first-round draft pick Brady Quinn of Notre Dame, but general manager Phil Savage on Monday cautioned that it might be too early for the former Notre Dame star to be elevated to that status. Savage cited the 1999 season when, after a blowout loss to Pittsburgh, the Browns benched starting veteran Ty Detmer and moved first-round pick Tim Couch, the top overall selection in the draft that year, into the lineup. Cleveland finished 2-14 that season, and Couch, clearly not ready yet to start, struggled throughout the year. There had been rumors following Sunday's lopsided loss to the Steelers that Frye might be traded or released. Frye completed only four of 10 passes for 34 yards and an interception in the game -- a QB rating of 10.0 -- and was replaced by Derek Anderson at 6;34 of the second quarter. Anderson did not fare much better, going 13-of-28 for 184 yards. Those rumors gained some steam Monday when journeyman quarterback Ken Dorsey, who had been a mentor to Quinn in training camp, arrived at the Browns' complex. The team is expected to re-sign Dorsey, a four-year veteran, on Tuesday afternoon. Frye, 26, was a third-round choice in the 2005 draft, and the former Akron star moved into the starting lineup in the final month of his rookie campaign. He started the first 13 games in 2006, then missed the final three outings of the year with a wrist injury. In camp this summer, Frye competed with Anderson for the top job on the depth chart, and was named the starter the week before the opener. But the loss to Pittsburgh was disastrous and the Browns decided to make a quick change. In his three-year career, Frye has completed 354 of 568 passes for 3,490 yards, with 14 touchdown passes and 24 interceptions, for an efficiency rating of 70.2. He has started in 19 of his 21 appearances. With the Seahawks, Frye will be the No. 3 quarterback on the depth chart, behind starter Matt Hasselbeck and primary backup Seneca Wallace, who recently signed a contract extension. The Seahawks have been seeking another veteran quarterback since releasing David Greene in the final cutdown to the 53-player roster.
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Charlie can succede in a west coast scheme. This is not the right system for him.
Exactly...he excelled at Akron in it. Good FO's know it. He needs to get somewhere where he'll have some level of comfort.
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Does this trade maybe give some insight in the supposed meeting on Monday morning where Romeo got pressured to get Quinn ready to start? Not sure.
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You can't GM for the fans. You have to do things to give you the best chance to win. Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what the fans thought. If the GM didn't think he was the guy, he should have been cut or traded long ago.
For the record, I think Frye will be a starter in this league again.
Quinn is the best chance to win ... unfortunaly he needs to to get ready. Everyone KNOWS that. Frye and DA WERE shopped around during the preseason, and there were no takers. By keeping both and waiting it out, we found three teams willing to trade for him. A 6th round pick is much better than the nothing we would of got for him if we cut him in the preseason. Meanwhile, DA is still going to keep the seat warm for Quinn.
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j/c what are the salary cap implications for us here ?
Next to nothing. He was the cheapest starting QB in the NFL.
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as for the rumor of Quinn starting against the Bengals,,,, I give up,, I'm not even going to speculate anymore. If it happens it happens.
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wow never would thought this
well good luck Charlie
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Well The good news for Charlie is with him going to Seattle, he wont have to learn a new Offense every 6 months
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First of all, don't kid yourself. DA would be gone, too, if he had any trade value. Secondly, can anyone seriously think this was the "master plan" the FO and coaching staff had in mind? Start a guy as your QB. Bench him after 20 minutes. Trade him a day later. Which leaves you with: 1. a rookie who doesn't yet know all the playbook. 2. a PS player who throws almost as many INTs as he does completions. 3. a "mentor" who has play 10 whole games, in SF when they sucked, and was dumped to us.
Now Brady may come in and light it up. I doubt it. But he might. More likely is that he comes in and plays like a rookie behind an Oline that has not yet shown as much ability as potential. DA? Please....he'll be washing cars in 2 years. Or maybe selling them if he's lucky.
Nope. The FO screwed the pooch, here. Frankly, if they thought these guys all sucked that bad they should have made a trade during the Draft. But they didn't. That tells me they thought we would be OK with what we had. That means they either suck at talent evaluation or they caved in to the fans. Or both.
Either way, we are once again the laughing stock of the NFL. Thanks, Phil. Thanks Romeo.
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You cannot revise history. We went through 9 months with these 2 qbs learning the system and now, after the first game you trade your starter! Come on, if they were just holding position, why not get someone who can atleast win you a some games and make the remaining QB( either DA or CF) the backup? Then you can have quinn learning the position. Also, the Browns did not know who was going to get injured this early. Hell, with the way Cincy and Balt were blitzing, we could be at BQ at the 2nd qtr of the Cincy game!
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I would disagree to the extent that the same long term objective was met... it's not like he cut a better player for the fans or kept an inferior player for the fans... What was our option if we cut Frye? I see two... annoint DA the starter and Quinn the back-up and Dorsey the mentor/emergency guy... OR go out and overpay for a veteran to start a handful of games tops before being replaced...
Should have just signed a vet. Sure, you would have paid more money, but you would've saved face. It's not a fact of whether Frye was cut, it's the timing of the issue that makes in stink.
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