DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Is this acceptable from anyone? Let alone the so called leader of the free world?

Stop covering for the racist POS. .

He made his racist intent known in other tweets...
“So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)....”

He’s correct in one part of his diatribe. They do come originally from a place where there’s a barely functioning government. The US.... because trump and his band of corrupt malcontents are running it. .

Have you read the tweet? He doesn't say "go back to your districts" he literally says "who originally came from countries whose governments..." and he later says "why don't they go back where they came" and then finishes saying "free travel arrangements".

Don't kid yourself and say the language he uses is about going back to the Bronx, Michigan, Minnesota or Massachusetts. This is pure and simple racist, hateful and derogatory vitriol being spewed by our President at 4 American women of color. It's disgusting, but sadly something we have seen him do many times before.

Three of the four congressmen he attacked were born in the USA.. One in NY, one in Ohio and another in Michigan.

So at least in those cases, they are doing what he says they should do... trying to fix their home land.

Trump is an idiot, moron and racist... He can't deny it any longer.

The real question is, where are the republicans.... Why are NONE of them standing up to him..

Chickens....

They have never stood up to him. Paul Ryan was outspoken in his criticism during the campaign, but when Trump won Ryan couldn't run fast enough to him. Even with tail between his legs he put on some lame charade acting all chummy like Trump was his new best friend. You can name on two or three fingers the number of Republicans who have actually stood up to him and one of them is now deceased.

They are spineless and in many respects they are worse than Trump for being spineless sheep.

George Will has a descriptor he uses for them all:

invertebrate.

There is no defense for what Trump said. None.

However, we shouldn't fall to that level and make all-encompassing statements about an entire group. We should resort to derogatory labeling that only further the divide.

I think we should use it as an opportunity to improve the political and social climate here in the United States by making positive suggestions and not falling into a perpetual exchange of the sides trading insults.

People who wish to shut down debate? You mean about trump's name calling on twitter? About his rhetoric designed to divide our nation rather than unite it?

In order to debate that you first have to admit that's what's happening here.

Here's a suggestion that might help to improve things:

Get more than 3 Republicans to stand up and denounce low-class rhetoric like this. Every time they stand on the sidelines when he does this, they send a message to America that this is perfectly acceptable behavior.

It's a great idea for adults to 'set a good example,' but when the brat is acting out, first order of business is to throttle the bad behavior.

He will continue to act like this until he's made to pay a price for it. As long as the GOP sits in silence, it will be treated as a partisan issue instead of a moral and ethical one. He needs all adults to sit him down or spank that ass.

Unfortunately the GOP have made their bed. You can read it by members on this board who support the president. Rhetoric such as "Democrats are unamerican, and most republicans are too" etc. If any republican goes after Trump, the machine will work to primary that candidate away as early as possible.

Republicans say nothing because they want to hold onto the little power they do have.

Bruh...



Nobody wants to hold hands when both sides think the other has cooties... but whatever, we all get your point each and every time you try to make it. just doesn't seem that many are buying into it.

Ryan seems to be speaking out now, where was his backbone when he was in office?

No.

I respect what you are saying, but with this president, there is no opportunity to fix any of that. He created it, he pushes it and he thinks that is what makes him a winner.. he won't work with anyone...

j/c

Well he's spewing again. He just said that those women seem to never be happy. So if they aren't happy, they can leave.

I guess he doesn't understand the history of this nation. But then again, who would be surprised by that?

I guess maybe when our forefathers weren't happy, they should have just left?

When blacks fought for civil rights they should have just gone back to Africa?

Maybe when women were unhappy about not having the right to vote they should have went back to Womanlandia?

Maybe when the gay community fights for the right not to be treated like second class citizens thay should go back to Gaylovakia?

This nation has always been about people standing up for the wrongs they see. About fighting to change America for the better.

What he just said is about as unAmerican as anything a president could say.

adjusted.

Vers, I have said similar things before.

As time has gone on I have become more vocal with the republicans in other positions on the federal and state level that represent me that remaining silent on stuff like this is no longer an option.

I hold little hope that Trump is ever going to change, in fact he seems to be getting worse if that's possible. What is at stake now, from my perspective, in other races for house/senate and state and local positions is what were you willing to stand up for. Running as a republican in the next election, while remaining silent on your feelings about Donald Trump, isn't going to cut it for me.

I would never rule out voting for a particular party simply because of the letter behind them.... but if you are going to have an "R" behind your name and you want my vote... then I want to know what kind of position you took on Trumps buffoonery.

Wow! I never thought I'd read that out of you. I know you are not a fan of Trump but you seem to be a strongly rooted moderate conservative and I struggle to imagine you voting for anyone left of moderate center left. I would even have thought that the most centrist candidate running on the left would be too far left for you to consider tbh.

Trump can't help but double down when he gets major pushback from the left, even when other republicans are wincing. I thought Lindsey Graham's comments were a little nuts today too.

Center left isn't a problem. Left of center left and it starts to get more difficult.

I think most of my positions are fairly moderate and I look for a candidate, like most people do, who are close to me in the most important issues... but I also want to vote for a person of reasonable character... Trump fails miserably at meeting that criteria as would anybody who hasn't taken a position on him.... They don't have to attack him with vitriolic hatred, but if they don't have a track record of calling him out when he crosses the line, then I will interpret that as one of two things... either passive agreement you are afraid to vocalize... or spinelessness that you fear losing some right wing votes more than you want to do the right thing. Neither of which is acceptable.

So if the election were held today, who would you support for president out of the declared field?

I have to be anonymous on my twitter for espousing very mild non PC opinions on politics. Had I posted something like this, under my real name, on the internet most companies would black ball me. Zero chance I would say this on a verified, account with my name associated with it and not be at a minimum called into HR.

The same guy who pounds the table with "come here LEGALLY" telling people who did to go back because he doesn't like their rhetoric. While I understand the point he is terribly trying to make, the idea that you left your horribly oppressive country to come here for a better life. That does not mean they have to toe your line of thinking. Something Americans more and more do not handle well....fair and honest criticism. I can't tell you how often my fair and honest critique is met with fire and brimstone.

I might not like Ohmar and I generally don't think AOC is very calculated (all heart no head). That doesn't mean every criticism they have is anti American, sometimes they are just right. Even if they are completely off base and deluded, it's good to at least try to understand the points they are trying to make and the same goes for Trump.

I haven't looked into each of the dems enough to make that declaration. I have heard some things I've like and some things I didn't from pretty much all of them. Kind of hoping you can weed out about 8-10 of them and get it to a more manageable group for me to look into.

Hmmmm.........it seems posters are thinking I am defending Trump? I wasn't. Not even close. I just don't think assigning labels and being narrow minded is very productive.

I get that OCD and others say no one is listening to me and I'm okay w/that. I am just voicing my opinion on things. I am not asking others to follow along. I am just not the type of person who follows along.

I would have never supported slavery back in the day. I would have never hated Jews had I lived in Germany. I would not have hated someone who had a different religion than mine had I lived in Ireland or Bosnia. I'm just not wired that way.

And again, I am NOT asking anyone to agree w/me about treating other folks as individuals instead of assigning labels and categorizing them into large, shapeless groups, but I"m going to tell all y'all something......I'll voice my opinion on how I feel any damn time I please.

I can't believe this guy. I have no idea how anyone can defend the things he says. Check out these latest comments:

Vers, I don't mind you voicing your opinion one bit. But when you slam me because you want to make a point that your views are better, I'ma slap back every time. And you don't like the labels but I bet (FWIW) it wouldn't take much looking to find a label you've put on me.

When others are hitting you with labels like extremist, socialist, commie, lefty, libtard, etc. They are just trying to shut you down and silence you because you think differently and have opposing views. But some posters I expect more from, you are one of those.

100% agree with this... both sides need to act like the leaders of this country.... so sad...

I don't have a label for you. I was just trying to make one up after reading your post, but I drew a blank. And I have no problem w/you "slapping back." I did take the first shot at you the other night.

I guess everyone else should just stay silent when the president posts racist, hateful twitter rants because that would be so much better.

July 16, 2019


'The Squad' should apologize to Trump, America, and Israel

By Christopher Paslay

During the recent spat between President Trump and "The Squad" — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts — Trump asked when the four women would atone for their anti-American and anti-Semitic behavior. Early Monday morning, Trump tweeted:

When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said. So many people are angry at them & their horrible & disgusting actions!

For Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, this involves making amends for disparaging the officers of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) — the men and women who risk their lives to keep both Americans and immigrants safe — as well as asking forgiveness for disrespecting the six million Jews murdered in the Holocaust.

"The U.S. is running concentration camps on our southern border and that is exactly what they are. That is exactly what they are. They are concentration camps," Ocasio-Cortez said in an Instagram video. "The fact that concentration camps are now an institutionalized practice in the Home of the Free is extraordinarily disturbing, and we need to do something about it."

Acting Immigration and Customs Enforcement director Mark Morgan was insulted by the comment. "It's completely inappropriate, it's reckless, it's irresponsible, it's misinformed, and it's flat-out wrong," Morgan said in an interview. Josh Holmes, former chief of staff for Mitch McConnell, called Ocasio-Cortez's comments "an alarming and dangerous equivalence that suggests a breathtaking lack of appreciation for the unparalleled evil of the Holocaust."

Ilhan Omar must also apologize. In January, Omar tweeted that Israel had "hypnotized the world" and later stated that American support for Israel was "all about the Benjamins" and involved "allegiance" to a foreign country. As David French wrote in the National Review, "[e]ach of these statements represents a classic anti-Semitic trope, and the latter statements were made after she came under fire for her previous comments. She knew she was under scrutiny and yet doubled down."

At a CAIR event in the spring, Omar callously described the 9/11 terrorist attacks as "some people did something," which sparked a large pro-Israel protest. According to an article in the National Review, CAIR was listed by the Department of Justice as an unindicted co-conspirator in funneling millions of dollars to Hamas, although to this day, CAIR vehemently denies this.

Rashida Tlaib, too, must make amends for her callous comments. Last June, she tweeted, "ICE is terrorizing our communities with zero accountability. ICE is a recent invention that makes our neighborhoods less safe, vindictively and cruelly tearing families apart. I'm proud to stand with the growing movement to #AbolishICE!"

Incredibly, just hours after being sworn in, Tlaib said in reference to President Trump, "When your son looks at you and said, 'Mamma, look, you won — bullies don't win.' And I said, 'Baby they don't, because we're gonna go in there and we're gonna impeach the m‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑‑!'"

Then there are Tlaib's insensitive comments about the Holocaust. In May, she told a Yahoo News podcast that there's a "calming feeling" she gets when she thinks of the Holocaust, explaining that it was the Palestinians who gave up their land to help Jews.

Although Tlaib's words were taken out of context by some, this didn't excuse her from using the Holocaust for political gain. Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, wrote that "ADL strongly disagrees with the congresswoman's comments" and went on to correct her misinformation; Arabs who lived in British Mandate Palestine did not welcome Jews who fled to their historic homeland after the Holocaust.

Finally, there's Ayanna Pressley, who has some insensitive things of her own to account for. According to the Washington Examiner:

Speaking at the Netroots Nation convention in Philadelphia on Saturday, Massachusetts Rep. Ayanna Pressley claimed black and brown people who work for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection are "a cog" in the machine that perpetuates oppression and incarceration of people that "look just like them."

Do these comments — some of which are not only disrespectful to the Office of the President, but also clearly anti-American as well as anti-Semitic — warrant an apology from members of "The Squad"? You bet they do. If these four congresswomen don't take responsibility for their rhetoric, America should send them a message at the ballot box in 2020.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...and_israel.html

Trump is actually saying, "I'm a racist! Tell me you're sorry!"

No depth is too low... Criticising the 'right' wing government in Israel is not a crime. Being Muslim is not a crime. Being brown is not a crime. Nobody owes Trump a damn thing, he made the racist comments and he doesn't want to own up. So yet again, you march out in his defense like a good little trumpbot.

J\C Did Trump actually say he was a racist or is it just what you gleen from his tweets ?

When someone posts racism, it's plain to see. Are you seriously asking if Trump came out and said he was a racist?

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” a former employee of Trump’s Castle, in Atlantic City, New Jersey, told a writer for The New Yorker).

The Justice Department’s 1973 lawsuit against Trump Management Company focused on 39 properties in New York City. The government alleged that employees were directed to tell African American lease applicants that there were no open apartments. Company policy, according to an employee quoted in court documents, was to rent only to “Jews and executives.”

elyse goldweber: I went to a place called Operation Open City. What they had done was send “testers”—meaning one white couple and one couple of color—to Trump Village, a very large, lower-middle-class housing project in Brooklyn. And of course the white people were treated great, and for the people of color there were no apartments. We subpoenaed all their documents. That’s how we found that a person’s application, if you were a person of color, had a big C on it.

The Department of Justice brings the case and we name Fred Trump, the father, and Donald Trump, the son, and Donald hires Roy Cohn, of Army-McCarthy fame. [Cohn, a Trump mentor, had served as Senator Joe McCarthy’s chief counsel during his investigations of alleged Communists in the government and was accused of pressuring the Army to give preferential treatment to a personal friend.] Cohn turns around and sues us for $100 million. This was my first appearance as a lawyer in court. Cohn spoke for two hours, then the judge ruled from the bench that you can’t sue the government for prosecuting you. The next week we took the depositions. My boss took Fred’s, and I got to take Donald’s. He was exactly the way he is today. He said to me at one point during a coffee break, “You know, you don’t want to live with them either.”

Everyone in the world has looked for that deposition. We cannot find it. Trump always acted like he was irritated to be there. He denied everything, and we went on with our case. We had the records with the C, and we had the testers, and you could see that everything was lily-white over there. Ultimately they settled—they signed a consent decree. They had to post all their apartments with the Urban League, advertise in the Amsterdam News, many other things. It was pretty strong.

The so-called Central Park Five were a group of black and Latino teens who were accused—wrongly—of raping a white woman in Central Park on April 19, 1989. Donald Trump took out full-page ads in all four major New York newspapers to argue that perpetrators of crimes such as this one “should be forced to suffer” and “be executed.” In two trials, in August and December 1990, the youths were convicted of violent offenses including assault, robbery, rape, sodomy, and attempted murder; their sentences ranged from five to 15 years in prison. In 2002, after the discovery of exonerating DNA evidence and the confession by another individual to the crime, the convictions of the Central Park Five were vacated. The men were awarded a settlement of $41 million for false arrest, malicious prosecution, and a racially motivated conspiracy to deprive them of their rights. Trump took to the pages of the New York Daily News, calling the settlement “a disgrace.” During his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump would again insist on the guilt of the Central Park Five.

In the early 1990s, Trump attempted to block the building of new casinos in Connecticut and New York that could cut into his casino operations in Atlantic City. (All of Trump’s casinos eventually went into bankruptcy.) In October 1993, Trump appeared before the House Subcommittee on Native American Affairs of the Committee on Natural Resources. The subcommittee was chaired by Bill Richardson, later New Mexico’s governor. Trump was there to support an effort to modify legislation that had given Native American tribes the right to own and operate casinos. George Miller, a Democrat from California and the chair of the Committee on Natural Resources, was also present.

Tadd Johnson, of the Minnesota Chippewa Tribe, Bois Forte Band, served as the Democratic counsel on the subcommittee. Rick Hill is a former chair of the National Indian Gaming Association and of the Oneida Tribe in Wisconsin. Pat Williams was a member of Congress from Montana.

Trump began by noting that he had prepared a “politically correct” statement for the committee, but almost immediately went off script. The hearing became loud and acrimonious. “They Don’t Look Like Indians to Me”

Later, using a front organization called the New York Institute for Law and Society, Trump and his associate Roger Stone placed advertisements in upstate–New York newspapers in an attempt to block the Saint Regis Mohawk Tribe’s planned Sullivan County casino. On a page proof of one ad, featuring hypodermic needles and lines of cocaine, Trump wrote: “Roger, this could be good!” Trump, Stone, and the institute would later pay $250,000 in fines for violating disclosure rules governing political advertising. Bradley Waterman served as general counsel and tax counsel for the Saint Regis Mohawks. Tony Cellini was the town supervisor of Thompson, where the casino was going to be built.

“Our current president came out of nowhere, came out of nowhere … The people who went to school with him—they never saw him; they don’t know who he is.” That statement, made at the February 2011 Conservative Political Action Conference, marked the launch of Donald Trump’s public efforts to sow doubt about whether President Barack Obama had been born in the United States. “Birtherism” had been festering for several years before Trump embraced it—supplanting other proponents and becoming its most prominent advocate. In March, on The View, Trump called on Obama to show his birth certificate. In April, he said that he had dispatched a team of investigators to Hawaii to search for Obama’s birth records.

For Trump, the run-up to birtherism had been a controversy that flared when a Manhattan developer proposed building an Islamic cultural center on a site in Lower Manhattan—the so-called Ground Zero mosque. In 2010, on the Late Show, Trump told David Letterman: “I think it’s very insensitive to build it there. I think it’s not appropriate.” Letterman pushed back, saying that blocking an Islamic facility would be akin to declaring “war with Muslims.” Trump answered: “Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.” Trump offered to buy out one of the investors in order to halt the project. The action made him one of the project’s key opponents and for the first time gave him national visibility on the political right.

Anti-Muslim sentiment animated Trump’s birtherism campaign. He said of Obama on The Laura Ingraham Show in March 2011: “He doesn’t have a birth certificate, or if he does, there’s something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me—and I have no idea whether this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be—that where it says ‘religion,’ it might have ‘Muslim.’ ” 

Sam Nunberg became an adviser to Trump after working with him to oppose the Islamic cultural center. Jerome Corsi, the author of Where’s the Birth Certificate?, and Orly Taitz, a dentist and an attorney, are among the instigators of the birther movement. Dan Pfeiffer was the White House communications director.

A few days later, at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, Obama and the comedian Seth Meyers mocked Trump’s birther claims, leaving Trump red-faced and seething at a table in the audience. Jay Carney was the White House press secretary.

Trump did not let up. In May 2012, he told the CNN host Wolf Blitzer that “a lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate.” In August, he called the birth certificate “a fraud.” Finally, in September 2016, under political pressure during his presidential campaign, Trump acknowledged that Obama had in fact been born in the United States. That was not the end of the matter. In November 2017, The New York Times reported that Trump was still privately asserting that Obama’s birth certificate may have been fraudulent.

Roughly six months into Trump’s presidency, on the night of Friday, August 11, 2017, hundreds of neo-Nazis and white supremacists marched onto the University of Virginia’s campus in Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “Blood and soil,” a Nazi slogan. The “Unite the Right” rally was protesting the proposed removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Confrontations arose between members of the so-called alt-right and groups of counterprotesters, including members of the anti-fascist movement known as “antifa.”

Mike Signer, Charlottesville’s mayor, had been dealing with far-right protests all summer. Richard Spencer was one of the key figures behind the “Unite the Right” rally.

David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader, who participated in the Charlottesville rally, called it a “turning point” for his own movement, which seeks to “fulfill the promises of Donald Trump.” Will Peyton, the rector of St. Paul’s Memorial Church, near the UVA campus, hosted an interfaith service in opposition to the rally. As alt-right protesters marched by, the roughly 700 people in the church were advised to stay inside for their own safety.

On August 12, a black man named DeAndre Harris was beaten by at least four white supremacists. At about 1:45 p.m. that day, James Alex Fields Jr., a 20-year-old white supremacist from Ohio, drove his Dodge Challenger into a crowd of counterprotesters, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and injuring 35 others. Fields was convicted in December 2018 of first-degree murder. In March, he pleaded guilty to 29 of 30 federal hate-crime charges in a separate trial. Speaking on the afternoon of the attack from his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club, Trump denounced “this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides.” He paused, then repeated: “On many sides.” Lisa Woolfork is a UVA professor and an organizer with Black Lives Matter’s Charlottesville chapter. Jason Kessler was an organizer of the rally.

On August 14, Trump walked back his initial statement and specifically condemned “the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups.” A day later, he walked back his walk-back. There were “very fine people on both sides,” he said, adding that the “alt-left” had been “very, very violent.” White-nationalist leaders welcomed his remarks.

In office, Donald Trump followed through on his promise to curb immigration from majority-Muslim countries. He created a commission to investigate voter fraud (virtually nonexistent, according to state election officials), claiming that he would have won the popular vote but for millions of ballots cast by people in the U.S. illegally. He shut down the government for 35 days in an attempt to secure funding for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. He reportedly referred to African countries as “s#!+hole” nations—asking why the U.S. can’t have more immigrants from Norway instead—and complained that, after seeing America, immigrants from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts.” The administration favored victims of Hurricane Harvey, which hit Houston, over those of Hurricane Maria, which hit Puerto Rico, sending three times as many workers to Houston and approving 23 times as much money for individual assistance within the first nine days after each hurricane.

Now this was all before his latest tweets.

If you can't see it, it's because you're not looking at it.

j/c

One thing I think needs to be pointed out from Trump's comments is this...

Trump said, "So interesting to see 'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world..."

Considering three out of four of these women were born in The United states, I'd have to say that I completely agree with him.

I am so disgusted by this garbage.

Everyone would be doing our country favor and just move along.

The world and his brother agree that Trump's tweets that are quoted in the original post on this thread are racist.

If Erik and others want to claim that - based on the color of someone's skin, or there last name - someone saying 'go back to the countries where your from' - isn't racist .... that's absolutely fine with me. I have no control of how others bury their heads in the sand and deny and I am not going to worry about it.

And to me it's more than wanting Trump and AOC and others to "grow up" or not act like Twitter Trash ... We could say that comment about Trump from before he took office and every week since. . . . talking about not wanting Trump to post idiotic, divisive, petty, factually inaccurate, combative posts on twitter is not what I think is important here. What he wrote this time is far worse and egregious than the way he's behaved in the past and it needs to be spelled out and isolated all by itself.

Does anybody shy of the Klan actually ADMIT to being a racist?

Trump goes bully on Twitter calling people names and spewing racially charged statements and lies...

People call him on it (sometimes even a handful of republicans)...

Trump tries to paint himself as the victim of hostile media and personal attacks...

SSDD

Well, remember...this is the same person who was caught on tape boasting he sexually assaults women because "they will let you do whatever you want when you are famous". And yet, he was elected!

So, this recent tirade against women and in particular women of color doesn't surprise me. Sadly, it comes to the point where I am almost no longer shocked by what he says because he has said these things time and time again and yet nobody has done anything about it and the GOP either accept it or make excuses for it.

Pretty disgusting and I agree with Sen. Pressley when she calls him "the occupier" rather than "President". He is simply occupying and claiming squatters rights in the WH.

There is little anybody can do about it other than call him on it and complain and vote against him... being repulsive and ignorant isn't illegal nor is it grounds for impeachment.


Watch how this plays out... as we approach the next election (past polling screw ups aside)... if it looks like Trump is going to lose, GOPers in all offices will start hammering him hard to distance themselves from him... I believe that most of them are cringing in secret every time he does his stupid crap... and they are smart enough to realize that doing it AFTER he loses gains them very little traction... but if it becomes apparent he is going to lose, they will all come out (too late by my standard) to voice their disgust over his actions...