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shotty construction or just some junk in the road?

damn man your dealership is legit then. is it a jag dealership or another spot?

oh, and since you've had it for a while now, still love it?

i drive a bmw. turn signals were never a requirement.

It looked like a manhole cover that was loose and jutting up in the road. Giant divit out of my wheel.

Yeah the Jag Dealership. This is the third tire and first wheel to be replaced in a year and a half.

300 dollar tire
1800 dollar wheel

I still love the car, but I'm not gonna keep it once the road hazard ins is done, if I cant renew it. I have that ins for 5 years. When I bought the car, they extremely firmly insisted I get that ins, and now I can see why.

Atleast you had that option. No hazard insurance for us.

I FINALLY have an all season option for my ride. It was always summer or winter tires. So I’ve had to buy two different sets of tires for the weather, and then I’ve been through 3 full sets of summers in 2 years because run flats do NOT last long.

And how in gods name did Martinez miss that kick?

Wow, I'm kinda shocked they didnt give you that option! I thought that was a standard thing they offer when you buy a car.

Did you not buy it from the dealership?

Their goalie is really good. That's why he missed. He was trying to get the goalie to commit to a direction so he could pick an angle. Only the goalie wasnt gonna fall for that.

If I would’ve bought it from a bimmer dealership yea. But I picked the car up off a repo from some noname dealership. The car still had its original factory warranty and service plan though so that was a plus. But doesn’t cover wear and tear items.

Jesus y’all are good

Oh, so the dealership wont let you purchase ins anyways? That sucks.

I'm gonna ask the Jag people tomorrow if they will sell me ins after the current ins runs out.

The team did good. Very happy for Pity, because he was the big aquisition this year and has struggled all year. Josef got his goal too.

Ok. I'm off to reddit land.

I think ins companies also offer road hazard ins, but I could be wrong.

Its just a must have here, because there is a tremendous amount of road construction going on. And I always get a nail.

Thanks, y'all.

I warned ya.

I was really hoping this thread would lead to a good conversation where we could have a civil debate. I thought the original article painted that picture, but it digressed into the usual insults, mocking of others, changing the subject, etc that other threads do.

It's disappointing. I wasn't asking anyone to agree. I just wanted some intelligent conversation that focused on trying to find solutions instead of assigning blame.

Well, this topic has been discussed ad nauseum. Making a new thread about it doesnt really change that.

So, we had our fun.

No Eve, we haven't discussed that topic ad nauseum. What has been discussed ad nauseum is one side bashing the other side w/leaky arguments that are based more on dislike, ignorance, and hate than intelligence, logic, and fairness.

But folks like you, Swish, Rocket, and PDX can take solace in hijacking the thread and making it worthless. Great job. You should be proud of yourselves because when you don't like the message................SHOUT IT DOWN!!!!

Yes, you are correct.

All they needed to do to inspire unity was make a list of Progressive successes around the country.

San Francisco
Los Angeles
Seattle
Baltimore
Philadelphia
DC

Its literally the same 10 people in every thread with the same 10 opinions....for YEARS.

I have given my opinion about this many times, and I give up why bother.

Honestly cars and soccer are way more interesting than beating a dead horse.

What? Not sure where this came from. Are you saying that nobody but yourself can voice an opinion? That's weird, because earlier you complained that you wanted people to discuss. I have done exactly that. I read, I listen, I discuss. I may disagree at times with what is said, but nowhere in any of my posts did I rag on anybody else nor did I get into altercations or threaten to fight or stomp my feet in a tantrum. Nor did I "hijack a thread".

So, yeah....totally unsure where this came from.

2011-2016 were some phenomenal years of high discourse here. We talked about this stuff a lot. We learned a lot from each other, and maybe sometimes differing opinions said "hey, you've got a point."

Since then, well...it's been documented as to what's occurred.

I'll talk silly discussion rather than a bunch of chain email bullet points, strawmans, "my opinions mean more than facts" type arguments, or things similar. Good conversations happen through private message these days.

I liked that post because it made sense to me and I look up to GM. I honestly didn't delve any deeper than that, nor read many of the posts before that one.

The nation divided a lot w/Bush Jr's election. We had Florida CHADS to defeat Gore (after news outlets announced Gore as winner), which also lead to his illegal war w/Iraq.

However, in 2016 that divide has grown much bigger with video of Trump bragging about sexaul assault, yet he still get elected and people still attempt to defend him. And, hate groups now have somebody in the WH that continues to make them feel validated.

I beg to differ with you Sir. just look around we are everywhere.

I agree that working with as many folks as possible for the greater good is not a bad thing and it has gotten things changed before. That's why I include ALL middle class not just whites.

I probably should not have included you in that group. And no, I am not saying I am the only one allowed to voice an opinion. I will say I was highly agitated after reading the new posts when I logged on last night. I was actually eager to read the discussion and I started reading crap about wheels on a car.

I do think that people purposely tried to derail the thread. It's pretty obvious. I also think that some refused to really address what was being said in the article and wanted to turn this into another "us against them" discussion.

I just read on another post that this was a strawman argument or something like that, but I think that is completely false and yet another attempt to limit actual rational conversation.

I think it's far from a strawman argument when you have leaders of well-respected minority organizations and prominent Democratic candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders talking about the issue. In fact, I think they add credibility to the argument.

From Haim Saban:

Haim Saban, a billionaire media mogul and mega-donor to the Democrat Party, eviscerated 2020 White House contender Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) in a recent interview, slamming him as a “Communist” and “disaster zone.”

Speaking to the Hollywood Reporter, Saban praised the crowded field of Democrat primary candidates but signaled out Sanders as the sole contender he strongly dislikes, citing his frequent attacks on the “billionaire class.”

“I profoundly dislike Bernie Sanders, and you can write it. I don’t give a hoot. He’s a Communist under the cover of being a socialist. He thinks that every billionaire is a crook,” Saban lamented.” He calls us ‘the billionaire class.’ And he attacks us indiscriminately. ‘It’s the billionaire class, the bad guys.’ This is how communists think. So, 22 are great. One is a disaster zone.”

Yeah, I don't speak for the others, but I don't appreciate the accusation as there is no basis for it. I walked away from this group last season because I realized it wasn't worth having the digital drama in my life.

Upon returning I said to myself I'm not going to engage in tit for tat arguments. I stayed out of this section for months. I have started replies and then deleted them saying to myself "it's not worth it". I will, however, and I have, disagreed at times....but I'm not going to hurl insults at those who I am politically opposed to. You and I have had our moments, but ask yourself when the last time we went at it? Well before the last season, dude.

This is a football forum....I come in here first and foremost to read threads on the Browns as I like a lot of people's take and input on things. I like reading the x's and o's. But, I readily admit that other than growing up in Cleveland and the Browns I really don't have a lot in common with many folks in here. In this particular section there are maybe half a dozen posters that I am usually in agreement with. I am politically and socially far more left than most. Call me a Socialist, call me a Commie, call me an anarchist. Whatever. But, I will still read and listen to any voice of reason. I will skim or skip completely if that voice is outrageous, intolerant, jingoistic or xenophobic. I will also occasionally comment when I think I have something that may be worth sharing or adding. But, I won't engage in insults or digital flame wars. That's one of the reasons why I already left a few threads that I was contributing in.

How about if I just call you PDX

I'm still a bit creeped out by your Cryptkeeper FaceApp results.

There are a lot of white people who want to be on your side and rants like this don't help... I don't think anybody expects you to suck up and be grateful and suck toes or whatever other BS analogies you used.

You want to attract more white support, stop referring to "white people" as if they are all the same.. hint: we don't like it any more than you do because NOBODY wants to feel lumped in with the worst element of their race and there are some crappy arse white people..

Second, learn to accept that some white people who want social justice and economic reform DO NOT agree with a lot of the other trash that democrats throw out there. So if it gets set up as an all or nothing decision (as it has been for decades) understand that you are going to lose potential allies in the voting..

Third, you can like it or not, you NEED white votes to win, you need white voices for change, you need white politicians with influence to be on your side... and you need a coalition to make that happen, you need cooperating partners that the average white-middle class voter or rural poor voter can relate to...

this last paragraph just contradicted everything you just finished saying, while simultaneously enforcing my very post you just claimed was a rant.

you don't NEED us to advance your agenda, but we NEED you in order to advance ours.

once again, i got dudes throwing out this "rants like this doesnt help" as if somehow my rant is keeping you from doing the right thing. what a p1ss poor excuse.

I got my shoes off.

was it difficult?

Getting them back on is the hard part.

Wow! Talk about missing the mark by a mile. Since when did working together equal sucking up? You think you can accomplish your goals with 13% of the population? Do you have any idea how many white people it took voting for Obama to get him elected?



Sometimes I think you brain just refuses to function. Are you too blind to see that without the Kennedy's in the White House to this day the civil rights amendment may still not be law? Your math skills aren't very good are they?



You still can't figure out that you really can't accomplish anything with having only 13% of the population without working with others can you? How do you balance a checkbook?



Now you're resorting to telling blatant lies like a hard core Trumpian. I didn't say the majority of white people agreed with it. What I did say is that there were enough white people that supported it that it got passed by a bunch of white law makers. Less than 11% of the population was black in the mid 1960's. Yeah, that pesky math thing again.



yeah, when you kick dirt in the face of those who are willing to help further your cause, it makes it tough. This is what happens when people want to work together to help accomplish your goals. You treat them like $#!+. No wonder progress has been slow.



You use that fuzzy math and can't seem to admit that without a lot of white people you wouldn't have civil rights. Without a lot of white people there would have been no president Obama.

You know, you sound a lot like the racists on the right. You make every white man sound the same. You know, just like some of them do about every black man. You're really no different.

Wow!

I'm white and you guys are offending me!

Don't Tread on Ye.

I don't see it that way.


I never said your post was wrong... it's rant because of its tone not because of its accuracy.


This isn't about me...

take it for what it's worth, the angry black man is not an appealing look for attracting white support. No matter how justified you think it is... MLK was clearly angry in many of his speeches and his protests, but what drew his support from the white community at the time was his optimism and his non-violent approach in a time of violence....

He can't seem to comprehend the whole 13% thig DC.

thats fine if you view me as the same as the opposition, but please stop pretending to be some enlightened dude who really knows how to fix it because you don't.

i mean all that crap you just stated means a whole lot of nothing. again, we somehow have to be nice and kind to you guys, because if not, it makes you NOT want to do the right thing.

its like saying that sense some gay people are mean to me, its keeping me from doing the right thing and supporting/voting for candidates who make sure those same gay people have equal rights.

its like saying because some women ticked me off and weren't nice and PC with me, somehow thats gonna force me to not support the feminist movement and make sure they are treated equally.

its about as soft as one can get.

im not talking about the minority of white people. reading my other post should've cleared that up, but that 39th ranked Tennessee education shouldnt come as a surprise that you cant comprehend my post well.

im talking about the flip flopping white mods who really dont do much to advance the agenda of equality.

i mean its way easier to actually discuss these issues with the likes of Diam and TB than it is the likes of you and Vers. how sad is that? why? because they aren't busy playing "both sides" BS that literally doesnt work.

like....ever. you keep talking about JFK, but forgot he got shot. yall will bring up MLK, but forget that he got shot.

if those two dudes arent assassinated, i wonder what our country would be like right now as far as legislation. cause the argument could most certainly be made that the civil rights act doesnt get passed without those two events happening.

ya know, from the so called white people we gotta suck up to.

you keep saying without white people we wouldnt have civil rights.

how come you wont say that without white people, we wouldnt have been in a place to fight for civil rights to begin with?

somehow history starts with "white people helped us", but yet doesnt start with "white people brought us here to begin with".

lol what a joke your posting is lately.

"without white people we dont have civil rights". yea, well without white people we dont have the klan, either. but dont let that get in the way of your ridiculous posting.

right, it was appealing so much to whites that they shot him.

First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

- MLK