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It will suck if the Pats end up w/Williams.
This could happen ... or another contender


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What would it realistically take to trade for Williams?

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Mayb a 2nd rounder? I have no idea
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What would it realistically take to trade for Williams?


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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They are probably asking for a first right now and someone might bite on that for a Pro Bowl LT.

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I definitely agree w/the first part and maybe the second part.

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I'd be surprised if we get him. We are casting our lot with Greg R, and Williams will cost us a lot of money or draft capital - probably both. Yeah it'd be great but the salary cap thing means you won't get elite talent at every position.


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Hard to figure.

Teams will know that there will competition for his services.

Age and money are factors. The production is still there but how many years does he have?

Allen the owner wants him there and will do what he can to keep him.

If he leaves they will get all they can get.

I don't see a first rounder but who knows?

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Well it's out there that they are entertaining offers so if it drags on the price will drop, but I think too many teams are interested for it to drag on too long and they probably already have an offer of a 2nd rounder on the table.

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Read that he is on the block.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/08/nfl-ru...olding-out.html

It also speculates what it would take.

Speculate is the word.

Certainly we should have interest. If not they must love Robinson. Which would be a good thing.

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I see no speculation on compensation at all. Just a quote saying "it is unclear what it would take".


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Yeah, when you combine his age with his injury issues, IMO people were overestimating his value. I mean anything can happen. Yet I don't see a round 1 and highly unlikely a round 2 selection for him. I mean if you start putting player trades in combination like the OBJ deal, that could change. But I'm really not seeing anything quite like that on the horizon.


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In the end analysis it is all about management's perception of Robinson.

That and the measure of improvement Williams could bring versus the cost.

Unless one is there watching everyday there is no way to tell what Robinson is doing.

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TRENT WILLIAMS
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Profootballtalk's Mike Florio reports holdout LT Trent Williams "doesn't care" about the Redskins' fines threat.

The Redskins' galaxy brain idea to get Williams to report is apparently to enforce their ability to fine him $40,000 per day. Camp fines are a completely impotent bargaining tactic, as all parties know the only real recourse is to forgive them once the player finally reports or is traded. It's surprising the Redskins took the time to leak it was their plan. Washington needs a real general manager.

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Washington is a mess. Way to set up your rookie qb.

With that said, I am kinda hoping we don't trade for Williams. I don't think we need him.

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Me either. It seems our FO/coaching staff are comfortable with GR.


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In my opinion, he would be an upgrade over Robinson. However, there are some negatives:

--Trading a high pick for him
--He gets hurt a lot
--I think he is overreacting about not playing for Washington again. People are ripping Duke, yet this guy is kinda crazed about it.
--At some point, we need to start thinking about salaries
--Do we really need a Pro Bowler at every position?

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Just to add one to Vers: it seems like our team is behind Greg (Baker wanted him last year over Harrison and hasn’t waiverd)


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Trading what it would take to get him at age 31 is what scares me.

He could decide to retire if his knee gives out on him and we'd be out a 1st or 2nd rounder.

On the other hand, we could be a LT away from contending.

As far as money goes, his contract expires before Baker has to sign again and that is all we need to worry about. Greg will be asking for close to what Williams is making now if he has a good year and will want it long term.

He thinks Washington's medical staff ruined his career earning potential and his future ability to walk, so if he's right, I don't think he's over-reacting.

I don't think we need a Pro Bowl guy in every spot but the QB's blind
spot is a good place to have one.

Also the staff does seem high on GR so maybe they feel like they potentially have that guy.

I halfheartedly agree and this is one of those tough decisions that make or break GM's

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I--I think he is overreacting about not playing for Washington again. People are ripping Duke, yet this guy is kinda crazed about it.


If I thought my team mishandled my injury I'd be pretty pissed too.

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That’s the info that we aren’t privy to one way or the other (like Kawhi Leonard) .. IF that’s the case, he has every right of course
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I--I think he is overreacting about not playing for Washington again. People are ripping Duke, yet this guy is kinda crazed about it.


If I thought my team mishandled my injury I'd be pretty pissed too.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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TRENT WILLIAMS
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106.7 The Fan reports that holdout Redskins LT Trent Williams is "telling friends he's prepared to sit out the season."

Reporter Craig Hoffman also confirms that Williams requested a trade in June. Per Hoffman, the Redskins are "confused" by Williams' demands. He has reportedly "not demanded specific changes on the medical staff" and has been "silent in attempts to negotiate a new contract." It seems what Williams wants most of all is to get out of Washington. There has been zero indication the Redskins are considering accommodating him.

SOURCE: 106.7 The Fan
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Sounds like he’ll be traded now ... no way do they sit on his situation at his age. They’ll have to try to get anything they can, and it’s not like they’re legit contenders anyways


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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What injury?

I thought he had a tumor on his head. How did Washington mishandle it? I saw a quote from Gruden saying that Williams would be fine. Is that mishandling it? Has Williams specified how they mishandled it? Has he asked that the medical staff be replaced?

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Trading what it would take to get him at age 31 is what scares me.

He could decide to retire if his knee gives out on him and we'd be out a 1st or 2nd rounder.


Dep...the best years of Trent Williams NFL career are part of the past.

Many might be in love with the list of awards Williams accumulated in first 9 seasons...those years were the best years of Williams NFL career and he will not get better with time.

Trent Williams has only "two complete" seasons (2012, 2013) in his 9 year career.
...in 2011, TWs 2nd season, he was suspended by the NFL for failing "multiple drug tests".
...in 2016 TW was again suspended for 4 games for failed drug test.

If I'm the Browns, I weigh all the issues that come with a Trent Williams signing...knowing his best years are gone.

IMO, TW is just looking for a new contract.

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I have been following this from the beginning and have yet to read anything that clarifies what really happened.

From what I understand his gripe with the medical staff is that he was encouraged to keep playing when it was later discovered he should not.

This was not just the tumor but other injuries as well. Apparently he got to a point where he no longer trusted the medical staff. I also read he doesn't trust Allen the owner.

But all I have read is second hand stuff. Have yet to read direct quotes from Williams saying precisely why it has got to this stage.

Have also read he wants his contract renegotiated. Again nothing direct from him.

What seems clear is he will not play for them again.

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This is all the site i go to had on it ... i’m Sure there’s more out there ...

FYI ... Allen’s the gm not the owner ... I have no clue how that dude still has a job ... he should have been fired 2 or 3 years ago .... he’s a jackass and he stinks at his job ... everyone leaves that place disgruntled with him ...

TRENT WILLIAMS
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Redskins LT Trent Williams posted an Instagram story which appears to show him getting ready for an operation.

Williams had a non-cancerous tumor removed earlier this year, but NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports this is just a minor clean-up procedure. Unhappy with both his contract and how team doctors handled his medical situation, Williams is holding out from the offseason program and has demanded a trade. Losing Williams would be a massive blow to Washington's thin tackle group.

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Trent Williams wants Redskins to make medical staff changes: report

RICHMOND — As Trent Williams continues his holdout, others have wondered what it will take to get the star left tackle back to the Redskins. Would money heal all wounds? Is this even salvageable?

Well, according to former Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall, Williams wants changes made to the team’s medical staff. The seven-time Pro Bowler is upset over the way the team handed the diagnosis of a growth on his scalp, which later required surgery.

Hall said on the NFL Network that he’s talked with Williams about his situation.

“It’s not about money,” Hall said. “That’s what makes this so unorthodox and something we’ve never seen. We’ve never had a player say, ‘Hey, get that training staff out of here or I’m not coming back.’”

Further adding to the drama, The Washington Post’s Jerry Brewer wrote in a column that Williams “has trust issues” with the medical staff — leaving him to want a trade. The Redskins have denied that Williams‘ relationship with Bruce Allen is “fractured,” but Brewer’s report backs up what CBS’ Jason La Canfora reported of the left tackle wanting out.

The Redskins recently added veteran tackle Donald Penn amid Williams‘ absence.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/1/trent-williams-wants-medical-staff-changes-report/


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
What injury?

I thought he had a tumor on his head. How did Washington mishandle it? I saw a quote from Gruden saying that Williams would be fine. Is that mishandling it? Has Williams specified how they mishandled it? Has he asked that the medical staff be replaced?


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Trent Williams wants Redskins to make medical staff changes: report

RICHMOND — As Trent Williams continues his holdout, others have wondered what it will take to get the star left tackle back to the Redskins. Would money heal all wounds? Is this even salvageable?

Well, according to former Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall, Williams wants changes made to the team’s medical staff. The seven-time Pro Bowler is upset over the way the team handed the diagnosis of a growth on his scalp, which later required surgery.

Hall said on the NFL Network that he’s talked with Williams about his situation.

“It’s not about money,” Hall said. “That’s what makes this so unorthodox and something we’ve never seen. We’ve never had a player say, ‘Hey, get that training staff out of here or I’m not coming back.’”

Further adding to the drama, The Washington Post’s Jerry Brewer wrote in a column that Williams “has trust issues” with the medical staff — leaving him to want a trade. The Redskins have denied that Williams‘ relationship with Bruce Allen is “fractured,” but Brewer’s report backs up what CBS’ Jason La Canfora reported of the left tackle wanting out.

The Redskins recently added veteran tackle Donald Penn amid Williams‘ absence.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/1/trent-williams-wants-medical-staff-changes-report/

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
What injury?

I thought he had a tumor on his head. How did Washington mishandle it? I saw a quote from Gruden saying that Williams would be fine. Is that mishandling it? Has Williams specified how they mishandled it? Has he asked that the medical staff be replaced?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/trent-williamss-relationship-with-redskins-is-fractured-and-theres-no-going-back/2019/08/01/6b8d6372-b400-11e9-8949-5f36ff92706e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.99803d8619f5#click=https://t.co/mVh7cHW2pQ



As I've said before, I'd love to have Trent Williams but he is not a realistic option. We are paying Greg Robinson starter money to play, not to be a backup.

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This link seems to have the most plausible story.

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/8/2/20751...he-holdout-saga

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Snarky. But, okay. LOL

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This link seems to have the most plausible story.

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/8/2/20751...he-holdout-saga
thanks bone


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because of his injury history he will take the year off and then enter the FA Market next year??? or traded but our contract with Robinson is for one year if I recollect.

He better produce or we will be big players for trent!
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I'm with those that don't feel we need him. He falls under "nice to have".

I would not offer more than a 3rd rounder for him. Injuries plus contract issues plus age - he doesn't have more than three years in the tank. It's just not worth it.


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What a soap opera ... this is one of the most bizarre scenarios i’ve Ever seen unfold as far as hold outs go ...

TRENT WILLIAMS
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Redskins coach Jay Gruden said he "would seriously doubt" the team is trying to trade LT Trent Williams.

Gruden added he's "very optimistic" Williams will return to the team. This is the second time Gruden has downplayed Williams' holdout. The Redskins have been playing hardball with Williams, but there's a real chance they could end up getting burned if they don't trade him. Williams looks prepared to carry his holdout into the regular season.

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It is a mess. Between Snyder, Allen and Gruden it must be a merry-go-round.

That whole situation appears destined for disaster.

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I'm with those that don't feel we need him. He falls under "nice to have".


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TRENT WILLIAMS
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A source told NBC Sports Washington's JP Finlay that Trent Williams is "not coming back. Period."

According to Finlay, Williams is willing to stretch his holdout into the regular season. Williams is reportedly upset about his contract and has lost faith in the front office and medical staff. With Williams seemingly serious about seeing this holdout to the end, Washington could be forced to trade him over the next couple weeks.

SOURCE: NBC Sports Washington
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This whole deal with Williams will more than likely come to some conclusion by the end of this coming week.

As each day moves forward Washington has to begin thinking trade.

It sounds according Williams and those around Washington that he is done there.

It will do Washington no good if the season starts and he does not report. They are at that point where they have to look to fill the position.

It comes back to trade him or get nothing. My end guess would be a second or third or some kind of player trade and draft pick combo.

From the Browns perspective? If they feel good about Robinson he only has a one year deal. That means next year will require a longer deal at more money.

Hard to say how Dorsey and staff feel about the OL group.

Pure speculation but I believe they will be grazing the waiver wire or looking for a trade partner.

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