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I've been keeping up with the Jets training camp because I'm curious over who will be the better player between him and Baker. By all accounts Darnold has had an outstanding camp so far (although Jets D is pretty bad).

This will be interesting to watch over the years. My guess is they will be the top 2 from this past draft and probably ended up exactly where they should have. Baker is a perfect fit for Cleveland.

What tier was OSU when he beat them ...

Rumor around jets camp is darnold’s arm strengths improved ... he says its just him being more comfie ...

It will be fun to watch a bunch of the young QB’s ..

Watson, Mahommes, Wentz, Sam and a few more ... i’mmuch more intrigued by Murray than i was Lamar ...

Lots of potentially good young dudes to watch grow and develop ... should be fun to watch .. i know my old ass is gonna enjoy it ..

He was my choice. I said I thought he was by far the best before some of the pre-draft stats came out. But I don't post as much in here that time of year as the rest of you do.

I don't think there will be any contest on who will be the best quarterback from the 2018 draft. The prize is and always was Baker.

Darnold will have his moments. And I admit I was wrong about Rosen as he at one point was my #2 choice.

The next 10 years will most likely be dominated by Wilson, Wentz, Mahomes, Mayfield, and probably 50 yr old Brady if I'm being facetious.

I don't see anyone is doing what you're claiming. Unless of course you're referring to your own post.

You don't see...? A large part of this thread has been about who was right and who was wrong about Baker. Try this...

Based on what I've seen on this board, there will people who key in on this:



and completely ignore this part:

When my wife and I were watching the draft and Baker was picked, I just groaned... I wasn't happy.. I wasn't happy at all.

But then I saw him play in a preseason game and thought, maybe not bad

The night of the Jets game when he came in for Taylor, I watched,,, I was impressed and from that point on, my admiration for him grew...

Great! With your huge magnifying glass you shouldn't have any problem pointing me to the many posts chastising those who were wrong about Baker. Thanks in advance.

-jc-

I don't know if I was/am right about Baker yet. He still has a lot to prove. But I really did like him coming out. I've been wrong many times before and I can understand some of the reservations people had in making Baker the selection.

One of the reasons I don't come to the board that often, or I just come on and read and don't participate in discussions is because most of the threads turn into one big long argument back and forth on who was wrong and right. Person A is right and Person B is wrong in one thread, Person A rubs it in to Person B. Then in the next thread Person B is right and rubs it into Person A, Person A now cries about Person B rubbing it in.

I just come on a read articles for the most part. This is still a great place to see a lot of different articles/tweets posted from different sources. It's great to see the different perspectives and I don't have to bounce from one site to another.

The other reason I don't come here as much is because my son is a year round athlete in both youth wrestling and youth baseball and I'm help coaching both sports. I don't have the free time or energy to argue over who was right/wrong. Nor do I really care. At the end of the day, I just want to see the Browns win a Superbowl. However ever we get there and who was right or wrong along the way doesn't matter to me.

I agree 100%.

I wanted Barkley at 1, then whichever QB was left at 4. Baker, Darnold, Allen, one of them would be there. I'm happy with the way things turned out, but I do not think my top 2 picks would have been bad either.

I wanted Darnold at 1 and Chubb at 4 and Chubb in the 2nd round ... I was worried about baker’s size and Ward’s size. Looks like I was wrong as of now (although I do think Darnold will be good and Chubb already is)

But we were manly men.

Same here. I was convinced Baker was "undraftable", specifically to the Browns at #1. I was brainwashed by the negative headlines, particularly from our local media and fans, into thinking he was too much of a risk. Not until days before the draft, hearing of how he jumped off the page in interviews and on the whiteboard, did I start to get excited. Wasn't really until then that I took a hard look at him and got past the negatives and size factor. I was still surprised when I heard the pick.

I really wanted Darnold badly too. Glad I was WRONG!

I wanted Darnold, Rosen, and even Allen before Mayfield. I was upset when the Browns drafted him. Now, I am glad I was wrong. Mayfield was the right pick. He has been everything we have been looking for many years.

I think it is too early to tell.

I just wanted a good QB. But I will be clear I preferred Darnold.

Darnold is a 2 years younger that Baker, and that is a not insignificant.

j/c:



"Baker Mayfield, the person."

Whew, Don't know bout y'all but confused for a second,
I think person B and person A need to Get A Room!
Baum-chica-bow-wow, too much PDA.

{ December 20 something 2017 ( my post that states #1 and #4 overall), though it was somewhat non committal. }

If... If what's his name throws 3 td's in the opener, I may change my signature.

How pathetic is your life? Seriously man. It's amazing how much time you spend on me.

Mangini, Brilliant!

Just giving credit where credit is due .. love it !!

Cris Collinsworth puts things in perspective... Baker conversation at 4:52

Lol. I don't think that went quite the way cowherd expected.

I'd say that's right... I don't get this thing between Cowherd and Mayfield..

Cowherd saw Darnold practicing as a freshman and was really impressed. I believe he said at the time that he predicted Sam Darnold was going to be the next Andrew Luck. He desperately wants to be right on that opinion. So he finds things to tear Baker down in the hopes to build Darnold up.

His latest argument for Darnold being better over the long haul is that Darnold is bigger, more durable, and more athletic. And he keeps his mouth shut. Not one single football reason mind you.

j/c:

I hate watching those videos. I don't even watch the Brown's videos. Will someone please sum up the exchange between Collinsworth and Cowherd?

Collinsworth is a huge Baker fan. I think he owns PFF as well (someone can confirm). He said they, PFF, were the first ones that said Baker should be the first pick in the draft. Said Baker is the kind of leader and competitor that you never feel like you're out of the game. Told a Favre story to illustrate the point.

I can't remember what Cowherd actually asked him. I think it was just something general.

Thank you.

What? I thought that was me who said that!









I'm just kidding. Jokes!

We'll that's as clear as mud. What does Baker have to do with Darnold being the next Luck.. He wasn't the first pick, but that doesn't make it impossible for him to be the next Luck... Very strange

Always taking cheap shots.

I was at the Jets game....I got there late....literally just got to my seat and I see Taylor on the ground....the crowd was chanting Baker Mayfield.....

and as a typical jaded Clevelander....I thought....NOOOOO...we're gonna do it again.....but he never faultered…...I was on the bandwagon after that...

daman, I think it goes back to predraft. Colin cowpaddy was very negative about mayfield and his chances of being a good nfl qb. When baker lit it up last year he made Colin look like an fool. I would bet that he is rooting for darnold, Rosen or any other rookie qb from last year to prove themselves better than baker.

I thought Baker looked like some of his early starts last year. Missing high.
I think he'll be fine. My bigger concern is can he overcome D coordinators who have now watched him and can better scheme against him.

Mine as well. My hope is that our offensive system will be just different enough (w/ some new pieces in place, a whole offseason for Kitchens to fine tune the play calling and Monken's input) that opposing defenses are going to get a newer look anyway.