DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Freddie Kitchens..what was a crowning achievement before this year?

Well, Williams was in interim coach. He was the DC for the Saints when they won the Superbowl.

But, by all means please do enlighten us with how you feel he is an unqualifed douche? Because your opinon is somehow better than the people who hired him?

Yes...and I love it! We could have used it yesterday.

I think that is unfair. He has a lot of respect in the NFL. He never has a problem getting a job, and I'll hold off on my I "Told You Sos" for now.

I wish we could have kept him.

Paul Brown.


Marty Shottenheimer comes in 2nd- at 5 years tenure.
Art Modell began, developed and nurtured the "3-yr Turnaround" culture that has been CLE football culture for 50 years.

Ludicrous is expecting his head to roll after Week 1... but questioning his viability is absolutely warranted. Its not like we lost a close one. I don't really care that the final score "doesn't really reflect the game" because it only gets run up like that when one of the teams gives up and rolls over, they choose not to finish the game. That's problematic all its own.

The Titans had THE most basic game plan and execution you could bring to a regular season game. If the Browns had executed even to 3/4 of what our roster is capable of, we would have had a commanding win.

Play calling and scheme aside... we didn't see anything that resembled what we saw the last half of last year. There was no confidence, there was no fight. There was no swagger and daring to make a big play.

This team was mentally and emotionally weak.

I'm not going to predict Freddie's future but he convinced a lot of people he can drive. Now Dorsey has tossed him the keys of a high end sports car with this roster. They won't keep him around another season just to blow the engine if he can't show he knows how to work a manual clutch.

Dumb thead. Good grief, trigger much?

Exactly my first thought... Geez...

I kinda find it hilariously sad how literally after one game people are questioning the hiring of Kitchens and I have even seen some "fans" say we should have taken Darnold all along. Incredible. No wonder we have been the league doormat for 20 years. Sunday was embarrassing and a pretty disgusting display on the football field. It really couldn't have gone worse. But to have such an irrational knee jerk reaction is ludicrous.

If things are not cleaned up in game 2 then maybe we can start to worry a bit. But, even then...I would give it until week 4 before the true, legit and reasonable panic sets. Afterall, week 3 we have arguably the 2nd best team in the league coming into our stadium. That will be a solid test for our team no matter how week 1 went.

if we can expect 10+ penalties a game, we're in deep crap bro.

if it isnt cleaned up monday night, we got real issues. right now i agree with you, we seem mentally weak.

it doesnt help we got guys kicking other players in the head, or wearing 400k watches on the freaking field.

as of right now, its fair to say we have a team full of individuals instead of an actual team like we did last year.

i know week 1 overreacts are crazy and all....but we got bounced by 30 with a fully healthy squad at home.

The penalties are the immediate thing that must be rectified .. and if it doesn’t improve much THIS week then it’s a big red flag (or yellow ) ... between weeks 1 and 2 you typically see the most improvement, especially after playing so poorly

lets hope we seem massive improvement.

because if we get bounced by the jets monday night, we can easily going into the 49ers game with our record being 0-4.

I'm just confused by the watch... Was the plan to score a TD, push up his sleeve and point to the watch? "You know what time it is!"

Weird.

As far as Freddie, he's doomed... 6% of the season GONE and he has yet to produce a win.

It has just been one week, but if I was asked for an assessment after one week then I would say you are dead-on-balls accurate.

thats the only viable excuse out there, bro.

cause anything else is....ugh.

yea, and im trying my ass off not to overreact.

but being bounced by 30 in your home opener? yea, we're allowed to overreact.

I will say I'm mildly concerned that when pressed about running the ball more in his presser yesterday Freddie said he wouldn't change anything.

I think we get to find out a lot about this team -- heart, desire, competitive spirit, skill, coaching -- on Monday. The Jets are not a good team. Gase is a mediocre coach and his offense and his QB looked just like Miami and Tannehill in game 1. If the Browns do not exert their will on this game and show some heart in a bounce back win, I think the rest of the season will be spent hoping we see growth signs from Freddie and some of the younger players.

The team feels mentally fragile right now. We need our coach and our quarterback to mentally lead this team.

In all honesty, it was probably a sponsor thing where he was paid by their company to do so .... the advertising that has already come from it is worth it now

The only watch that mattered Sunday
Was watching the Browns come out Sunday
And getting pushed around by a Titans team.

I am hopeful that positive will come out of this loss. We took it on the chin, our egos were bruised and we were embarrassed in front of a massive home crowd who had many elite guests flown in for it. The honeymoon period is officially over and we have yet to earn anything. Stay humble, put our heads down, get to work and show the nation on Monday Night who we can be and who we really are.

How much can they pay you to ruin a 350k watch? Not that he cares about money anyway. I think it's more about OBJ showing how "savage" he is by wearing such an expensive watch during an NFL game. #divasgondiva

Not saying he isn’t a diva haha, he is ... but the company’s cost was probably less than if they’d have purchased a 30 second commercial during the game ... they get ALL this advertising on social media, TV, etc for a smaller cost

Would Belichek allow Josh Gordon to wear
A watch on the field?

Belichick allows Josh Gordom to be on his team.

I would bet that OBJ had some TD celebration ready using the watch.

I cannot imagine that the maker of a $350K watch cares about advertising during a football game. I would guess that 99.9+% of fans will never be able to own such a piece.

Now it's all on Freddie? Are you saying that you think Freddie approved of the watch? He said he knew nothing about it.

What I'd like to know is
How do you spend $400K on
A watch? I mean, how
Good of a watch can it
Possibly be? I suppose it
Must have many diamonds
And golds on it.

Maybe Freddie should put a,end to the country club I'm your buddy lockeroom.

I don't get the impression the dynamic is like that at all. Everything that we see as fans shows Freddie as a brutally honest and direct guy who gets quite mad at his guys and will chew them out.

The lack of discipline in the game was surprising to me.

I'll also add he ran a very physical camp.

^This

I mentioned it yesterday but I think we'll learn a lot Monday night as to who was the driving force behind last years turn around. Win or Lose, if this team shows up again unfocused and undisciplined, I don't see how Freddie doesn'ttake a huge credibility hit. Just because a guy yells at you in practice it doesn't automatically equate to being a good disciplinarian.

On the flip side, if our guys show up and show out like we all know they can and be consistent, it won't matter who drove what last year.

I'm not saying this is the case because I don't know factually it is the case, but it is wholly possible to be all those things and not be taken seriously or respected they way one might think.

Simple answer is that Dorsey had the franchise QB he had been watching for years and saw that Baker and Freddie had a real connection. Couple that with what appeared at the time to be the promise of an innovative offense, a chance to be on the leading edge of the NFL.

That statement makes as much sense as any I've heard and it still may come to fruition. I think we were overconfident going into this game and got punched in the mouth.

A little rambling here.

The penalty stuff.. I never quite understood why coaches get the sole blame for it. It's the players! and half of that, its penalties that can happen to anyone, as its a part of the game.

This is why I was so frustrated last year when fans/media blamed Hue for penalties. Well, I guess Freddie is no better as his team broke a record in penalties dating back many years.

Having a more 'physical' camp didn't change anything in regards to penalties or the product that was put on the field.

Having players 'dress up' didnt change anything in regards to penalties or the product that was put on the field.

Having players run a lap when they make mistakes didnt change anything in regards to penalties or the product that was put on the field.

My point in saying this, is there is no blueprint that will guarantee success. The differences here are simply the philosophy on what a coach thinks his teams need to succeed.

I hope our team focuses on execution, and attention to detail, and that starts with practice. I'd like the players to step up and hold their teammates accountable. I hope I see that next week. I also need Dorsey to get this Oline and TE situation figured out.

I felt much more comfortable with last years TE rotation of Njoku, Fells, and Devalve, than who we have this year. Dorsey banks his moves on potential, but those positions are more than about potential. Good depth can't be built on potential alone. We need solid players. They may not stand out, but thats typically what good role players are. Not great at one thing, but solid at all. We need those guys at TE and Oline.

J/c

As we’ve all said, this next week is a big one for our entire franchise. We all say that you can’t overreact after one game (and I agree) ... it’s sports, you’re gonna be humbled, you’re gonna lose, etc. Especially in the NFL.

BUT, we all know darn well that an 0-2 start this season ... (with the Rams, Ravens, 49ers, Seahawks, Pats to follow) is pretty much a nightmare

Where does this statement even come from?

I mean I expect over reaction to a brutal loss. But man, just making up any crap you like without any substance ... and I mean nada, zilch, sip .... NONE.... that's just taking the over reaction to a new level.

I've never heard of a player wearing a watch to a game.
Have you?
That falls into the "I'm just going to let my players be themselves" mode of policing a locker room

I don't think there has been any coach thats had to 'police' a player wearing a watch. Its just something that never happens. Who in there right mind wears a watch playing football? lol.

For me though, this is a non issue. I think its also unfair to frame or characterize this incident with how freddie generally manages his team.