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HotBYoungTurk #1665353 09/19/19 08:39 PM
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Yes. You have to mix it up between man and zone or teams can exploit your tendencies. What worries me is that no DC in the entire NFL played more zone than Wilks when he was in Carolina.


“You’re either on this train or you’re not, it’s moving,” the quarterback said. “You can get out of the way or you can join us.”
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So I read all these last 2 pages, and, it sounds like the coaches are hamstringing the offense, and hamstringing the defense.

I don't think i'll live long enough to understand why no one can learn, what over several years seems like

oh, I got distracted, .. I mean, why We can't see the cart behind the horse,
the Caboose in the back, and the Engine in the front,

Really, beautiful, football.

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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
First off, I'm surprised the autocorrect going on in your post hasn't happened more often...

I don't like the direction that they're pushing the offense, but at least I get it. You went out and got OBJ, and you have a QB that really likes the long ball.

The D is pretty irritating, though. You have these good young CBs that excel in man... so obviously you put them in a zone scheme. Ugh...

A couple posters were pointing this out when Wilkes came on board, but we were all hoping he'd notice our corners.


Didn't notice Monkey for Monken... never intended that and will pay attention in the future. Thanks for comment.

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IRT Versatile ... I have a bad feeling about rigidity of thinking and Freddie letting it stand.

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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
Yes. You have to mix it up between man and zone or teams can exploit your tendencies. What worries me is that no DC in the entire NFL played more zone than Wilks when he was in Carolina.
I was afraid when we hired Wilkes and Monken we hired them on reputation and name instead of fit and scheme.

So far, that seems to have been the case.

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I don’t even remember who else we were considering for OC/DC ... does anyone recall? Why didn’t we just make Zampese the OC?


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I don’t even remember who else we were considering for OC/DC ... does anyone recall? Why didn’t we just make Zampese the OC?


Hindsight is 20/20. Zampese came here after getting run out of town in Cinci in record time. The offense ground to a halt, and the players basically revolted while he was OC there.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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I don’t even remember who else we were considering for OC/DC ... does anyone recall? Why didn’t we just make Zampese the OC?


Hindsight is 20/20. Zampese came here after getting run out of town in Cinci in record time. The offense ground to a halt, and the players basically revolted while he was OC there.
That’s fair enough of course, but who else did we consider? I honestly cant even remember


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
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I don’t even remember who else we were considering for OC/DC ... does anyone recall? Why didn’t we just make Zampese the OC?


Hindsight is 20/20. Zampese came here after getting run out of town in Cinci in record time. The offense ground to a halt, and the players basically revolted while he was OC there.
That’s fair enough of course, but who else did we consider? I honestly cant even remember


I should've been more clear that I'm not arguing your larger point, just the specific part about Zampese


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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I don’t even remember who else we were considering for OC/DC ... does anyone recall? Why didn’t we just make Zampese the OC?


Hindsight is 20/20. Zampese came here after getting run out of town in Cinci in record time. The offense ground to a halt, and the players basically revolted while he was OC there.
That’s fair enough of course, but who else did we consider? I honestly cant even remember


I'm not certain, but I think we actually got our first choices throughout the process. There may have been other people on the lists, but I don't recall us being rebuffed by any. The guys we liked and went after, we got.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater


I'm not certain, but I think we actually got our first choices throughout the process. There may have been other people on the lists, but I don't recall us being rebuffed by any. The guys we liked and went after, we got.



But did we go after low hanging fruit so that we could say that? That's the question.

They had name recognition, but do they actually fit? Hopefully, we can make it work, and the early bumps get smoothed out.


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Okay thanks everyone ... I really didn’t even remember us interviewing many people


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Jan. 9, 2019 – Browns to name Freddie Kitchens head coach a league source confirms to 92.3 The Fan

Jan. 8, 2019 – Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski and Freddie Kitchens are 2 finalists for head coaching job; Stefanski making his way back to Cleveland for a second interview with the Browns (via Tom Pelissero)

Jan. 8, 2019 – Freddie Kitchens has a good chance of being named the Browns head coach and there are many signs are pointing that way (via Mary Kay Cabot)

Jan. 8, 2019 – Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels says he did not speak with Browns about head coaching job, will return to New England next season

Jan. 7, 2019 – Browns interview offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens for head coaching job

Jan. 7, 2019 – The Browns appear to have placed former Packer head coach Mike McCarthy on the back burner as far as their coaching search is concerned. The team spoke with McCarthy or his representatives Monday, "but things are on hold for now while the Browns talk to other candidates, according to sources" (via ESPN's Rob Demovsky)

Jan. 7, 2019 – The Browns are expected to interview offensive coordinator Freddie Kithcens Monday or Tuesday this week. Kitchens "does have a realistic shot at it" (via Ian Rapoport)

Jan. 6, 2019 – We now know who is on the Browns search committee. GM John Dorsey has been joined in interviews by owner Jimmy Haslam, executive vice president JW Johnson, assistant general manager Eliot Wolf, chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta and vice president of player personnel Andrew Berry (via Adam Schefter)

Jan. 6, 2019 – Browns interview Colts defensive coordnator Matt Eberflus for the head coaching opening

Jan. 6, 2019 – If the Browns haven't interviewed Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels by Sunday evening, they can't talk to him until after New England has been eliminated from the playoffs or unless they advance to the Super Bowl. League rules prohibit teams from interviewing candidates from playoff teams during the divisional and conference championship weeks (via 92.3 The Fan)

Jan. 5, 2019 – Keep an eye on Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus.. hearing the Browns very interested. (via Dustin Fox/92.3 The Fan)

Jan. 5, 2019 – Indianapolis Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus will interview Sunday with Browns (via Tom Pelissero)

Jan. 5, 2019 – Browns interview Patriots linebackers coach Brian Flores for head coaching position

Jan. 5, 2019 – The Browns have not reached out to former Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians for an interview (via Mary Kay Cabot); the Tampa Bay Buccaneers interviewed Arians on Saturday

Jan. 4, 2019 – Browns interview Saints assistant head coach and tight ends coach Dan Campbell for head coaching position

Jan. 3, 2019 – Browns interview Vikings’ offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski for head coaching position

Jan. 3, 2019 – Browns and New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels have mutual interest in each other, however, no interview has been scheduled yet (via Canton Repository)

Jan. 3, 2019 – Browns offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens will interview early next week for head coaching job; team is denying requests to interview Kitchens, who is under contract next season, for coordinator jobs as to give the new head coach an opportunity to retain him

Jan. 3, 2019 – Browns moved up Vikings’ offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski’s interview from Monday to Thursday (via Adam Schefter)

Jan. 3, 2019 – Browns interview with former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy rescheduled for next week (via ESPN's Rob Demovsky)

Jan. 2, 2019 – Browns interview former Lions and Colts head coach Jim Caldwell for head coaching position

Jan. 1, 2019 – Browns to interview former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy Thursday (via ESPN)

Jan. 1, 2019 – Browns complete interview with Gregg Williams for head coaching position

Jan. 1, 2019 – Browns have no plans to interview former Miami head coach Adam Gase (via Mary Kay Cabot)

Jan. 1, 2019 – Lincoln Riley signs multi-year extension to remain at Oklahoma essentially taking him out of the running for Browns job

Jan. 1, 2019 – The Browns will interview 8-9 candidates for head coaching job starting with Gregg Williams Tuesday. Offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens, Colts offensive coordinator Nick Sirianni, Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski, Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, Saints assistant head coach/tight ends coach Dan Campbell. They'd also like to interview New England defensive coordinator Brian Flores and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. (via Jason LaCanfora)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns have requested permission to interview New England defensive coordinator Brian Flores (via Adam Schefter)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns GM John Dorsey confirms he will interview interim coach Gregg Williams on Tuesday, Jan. 1

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns GM John Dorsey confirms offensive coordinator Freddie Kitchens is a candidate for the head coach job

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns expected to show interest in Steelers offensive line coach and former Titans head coach Mike Munchak (via Alex Marvez)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns owner Jimmy Haslam “is interested in” former Dolphins head coach Adam Gase (via Jeff Darlington)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns have requested permission to interview Colts defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus (via Tom Pelissero)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns have requested permission to interview Colts offensive coordinator Nick Sirianni (via Tom Pelissero)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns have requested permission to interview Saints assistant head coach/tight ends coach Dan Campbell (via Ian Rapoport)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns have requested permission to interview Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski (via Ian Rapoport)

Dec. 31, 2018 – Browns have interest in former Lions and Colts head coach Jim Caldwell (via Ian Rapoport)

Dec. 30, 2018 – Browns reached out to former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy (via Toronto Sun)

https://923thefan.radio.com/cleveland-browns-2019-head-coach-search-tracker


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Nobody in their right mind would do that.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Nobody in their right mind would do that.


People settle because they fear rejection all the time.

I'm not saying that was the case here. I just asked the question. The scheme to personnel fit seems to be a work in progress.

We wanted guys who would give legitimacy to a HC who had been a position coach the previous year. You could say we got that I suppose.

Were they the best guys for the job? Maybe. It's too soon to tell.


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Thanks for the timeline Pit


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. DPJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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No problem. It looked like what you were hoping to find with some more specifics.


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