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That was kinda my point. A lot of people perceive Baker to be a tool. But there really isn't anything he's done that would say he would not shake the hand of a fellow competitor. If he did I'd have to think Sherman did something to warrant such an action.

That's basically how Baker operates. Most of his actions are a response to something from a fellow competitor. If you look at his actions, tell me I'm wrong...

Nice football post...

well he certainly didn't respond well last night to anything. he folded.

Not that it means a damn thing about how poorly we played.. but other players had the bro-hug with Baker, Sherman was walking by without allowing that to happen. If anything, the "petty handshake" is on Sherman...

this is a total non-story

I saw that he started the handshake ... he just didn't complete it.

Too soon?

Either he doesn't complete it or he holds their hand too long.. he can't win with some of you.

or he was leaning to his right while doing it

The guys in front of him barely gave him enough time to get a proper handshake done. Sherman was on top of him before he knew what to do.

Except that it was a story used by those with an agenda against Baker to attack Baker. It also matters that while he has acted like a punk in the past hey, he's never done that as a brown. Closest thing he's done to being a rebel as a Brown was staring down Hue.... i had no problem with that after Hue did what he did when he left .... some might try to tarvand feather him over the Duke comments but for most it was proven to be a noyhing burger.

As you said earlier, it doesnt explain or change his woeful performance during the game.

Lastly over the back and forth posts over his 8-22 ... Baker owns the 8-22 performance and has to be accountable for some of it. Playcalling also had a significant impact, as did tipped and dropped balls, as did being under pressure on 80% of his drop backs .... thinking "blame" belongs all in one of those buckets is flat wrong.

I am wondering what shot some people said probably wouldn't be posted, like it showed disrespect.

Are people making things up just to stir the pot or tick people off?

Poor form.

Screw Dick Sherman.

Their Oline looked way bigger than our Dline and totally manhandled them.

Myles gets all the praise, but Bosa is doing what Myles should be.

Baker has got to quit trying to hit the long ball every play. Also, I never see any recievers coming back towards him to help when he starts to scramble. Higgins was the guy that bailed him out, we need him back.

OBJ was a joke on that return. First he runs backwards 10 yards, then reverses field and goes backwards again.

While we had two tight end sets, Many times it was just the TE trying to block Bosa. Robinson could not handle him, and our probowl LG got steamrolled by him.

Many keep saying that losing Zeitler is what's wrong. But the pressure doesn't seem to be coming from his guy, mostly from the left side. This has been the case in most games. The Tackles are the problem.

Baker is becoming a INT machine. On the first pick, I believe it was Callaway who had five yards on the defender. If Baker puts some air under that ball it's a TD. The comments about him being a one read QB are coming true. I think his height is becoming a factor. Once he is pressured, he falls apart. I don't think he can see the check down receiver over the pass rush.

I like Freddie, but this shotgun offense sucks. I also think he is trying to get too creative and overlooking simple fixes. I disagree that the playcalling is bad, I believe it is more the play structure that is the problem.

Just like our Dline looked little compared to their Oline, Our Oline looked smaller and weaker than their Dline.

Baker is not playing good, but I believe the offensive scheme is horrendous.

In the end it was apparent that SF was a far superior team. Stronger, more disciplined and better coached. Saying that though, people have to realize that their system is not new to them, ours is.

It was a hard game to watch, but it really made me realize that this team has made many changes and have not figures out who they are yet. I think they will improve as they go along, but the preseason hype is being shown as a mistake.

They are going to lose the next couple games and the fire the coach and bench the QB crowd will be loud and present. Then when we hit the back end of the schedule and win a few in a row people will start the hype all over again. The division can be won, but this team better get it together a lot more if they think they can compete in the playoffs.

Team loss IMO. Hope they can learn from it.

Your comments on Bosa/Garrett seem to hold true. Would we rather have Bosa (remember, he’s a rookie) or Garrett (as a 3rd year guy)

Bosa was a one man wrecking crew last night. He set up camp in our backfield.

Every time I see Richard Sherman's name in this thread, my brain keeps wanting to read it as Richard Simmons.

Trust me, it makes the thread soooo much better!

He stopped short.

That's my move!

haha classic

That was tough last night, they just looked outmatched at times. There were few adjustments made to help the offense deal with a lack of running game, and a lack of time to throw the ball.

The only way Nick Chubb was going to get going last night was if the passing game showed anything, so that the defense would back off a little. We kept running plays that needed several seconds to develop, when Mayfield only had half that time to stand in there.

That's not to absolve Baker Mayfield of this game either, he wasn't nearly good enough to win the game.

Defensively was what disappointed me the most. Just letting that guy break off that huge run on the first play. That's week 1 college stuff, when Alabama or Clemson play Nobody State. You can't let that happen. Several guys made awful mistakes on that play.

Even with the horrible play in the first half, the Browns found themselves at the 5 with a chance to make it 14-10, and the Callaway play was a bad play with a mix of bad luck. Just awful. Not only did you come away with no points, but SF went down the field and scored a touchdown, essentially icing this game.

The second half was just icing on the cake, allowing George Kittle to muscle his way for first downs. They did what you're supposed to do when you have that kind of a lead and the game is going your way, chew up clock and get the hell out of there. They're a hell of a team, and it really wasn't our night.

But hey, it's just one game, the overreactions are hilarious. Freddy needs to go, Baker is a bust, etc.. Just relax. I don't understand people with those takes. How do you enjoy games? Like for me, yesterday sucked, but it doesn't ruin my life. I honestly think people need those takes because they just want that "I was right moment" when it doesn't work out.

Neither Freddie nor Baker are going anywhere during this season, so why not just let things play out, instead of being irrational and ridiculous. Just take the game for what it is.

It's also 1 game, we're 2-3, and we are a few games away from getting through the toughest part of our schedule. I think the team will play well at home against Seattle. We haven't won at home yet, and I think they'll be ready to play.

You win next week, you go and play an obviously tough game in New England, if you come out of the first 7 3-4, with the remaining schedule, including 2 bengal games, 2 steeler games, the dolphins, broncos, cardinals, and a home game against baltimore? I think we'd all have taken that when the year started. LONG way to go boys and girls.

I wish I could "LIKE" this post twice, but the board won't let me. Well said, Sperg.

Well put, and we need more ground help. Our line play needs to improve. I'd have been all giggly over how little we managed to throw at the Sans last night if I were on their team. Not much changed except BM got worse and the bench didn't help.

Remember what we were good at and had success with. Play Gilbert some this week perhaps. Wake up this defense. We might need more help in the middle. W also need about four days of tackling practice.
This wasn't loss; it was a beating. We chose not to be ready.

It was a football post. I watched it on Sportscenter. Baker did indeed greet guys before the coin toss. So, Sherman wasn't being totally accurate. However, after the toss, Baker peeled off early instead of shaking hands w/the opponents, so Sherman wasn't exactly lying either.

Pretty much, it's a non-story other than Baker has a target on his back. And no amount of insults from posters on this board to those of us who see what's happening is going to change that.

Hey Grateful............do you have the clip of what Bosa said about Baker?

“What’s amazing, and annoying, was him not shaking hands at the beginning,” Sherman said, “That’s some college [censored]. It’s ridiculous. We’re all trying to get psyched up, but shaking hands with your opponent—that’s NFL etiquette. And when you pull bush league stuff, that’s disrespectful to the game. And believe me, that’s gonna get us fired up.”

"wasn't being totally accurate"
"not exactly lying"

Got it.

The "beginning" can refer to the coin toss. Look man, I was busy all day and haven't been on the board and when I came back on I see multiple posts of you calling me out. I tried to PM you and Rish, but you have me on ignore. But somehow, you read and respond to my posts.

I wanted to say this in a PM because it doesn't really need to be on the board, but you blocked me. You are being a bully, just like some others. You concentrated on something I saw on SportCenter and then made it sound like I said I watched a video.

Yet, I posted charts of Baker and Jimmy G's pass distribution and you completely ignore it. Wonder why?

This thread started w/people talking football. device and Eve came on here and made things personal. You ignored all of that and then attack me as if I am a liar. We're done.

I thought Bosa's flag plant mimic was classless. In old school ball, someone goes after that effeminate-sounding punk.

He's a rookie, "what's he done" in the NFL?

Callaway's drop and the quick 49er score was the ball game. If we make it 14-10, we have momentum and not so dependent on throwing the ball, can still keep them on their heels with the threat of a run.

BTW, I agree with the other posters who do not like empty backfield sets. Use it occasionally, not inside the freaking 10. Or on third down and short yardage.

They owned us anyway so it might not have mattered, but our D, early on, kept it close despite the turnovers.

We had no answer for their pass rush. Or their run game.

That equals: loss.

I think we'll beat Seattle, though, I really do.
Burn the MNF tape, get ready for the Seahawks.

What did you think of Baker trying to plant a flag in OSU's turf? Was that classless, as well? Or, was it okay because he now a Brown.

Here is the thing, lamp. Baker has a character flaw of disrespecting other players and coaches. I have maintained for a long time that kind of crap catches up w/you. Some posters love to dismiss that by saying "you hate Baker," but bro...........the blank is real. He put a target on his back and other players are starting to take shots.

It was inevitable.

That's weird since they were posted at different intervals throughout the day and deleted almost immediately... As I'm sure this one will be once you report it. X-Ray vision or reading minds? Were there multiple posts last night of you calling me out? Nevermind, you won't answer. I'm the bully?

#morefakenews

I thought baker doing that at OSU after a win was classless, too. Immature.

I grew up a hockey guy: if a road team won a game and planted a 'flag' - literally or figuratively - at centre ice, there's probably an on-ice brawl coming very soon.

You win, you pack up your stuff and quietly go home.

Yep. Wendell Clark or Ty Domi would have seen to it, lol.

Probert or Joey Kocur would have straightened that out at Joe Louis Arena in a hurry.

Domi btw is an a-hole. I'll send you a pm sometime.

You are resorting to lies? Show me where I posted later on after the ESPN post?

Dude, get lost.

i tried PMing you so we would not clutter the board.

Here is what appeared:




So, you are ignoring me............but reading all my posts.........and critiquing them. You have certainly went to the Dark Side and joined forces w/Memphis, device, jfan, and WSU.

Sorry Vers,
Just saw this and I see you and FATE are going at it.
Yes, Baker was not even looking at checkdowns sometimes but then again, that is why your O-coord, QB Coach and Vet backup are suppose to bend Baker's ear and tell him to take those check downs.

Also, Freddy has to see that the oline, cannot handle a good pass rush and call plays for quicker throws.

Oh come on, there has to be more on the dark side than just that...

sad thing , 888, is those people with an agenda that you speak of, they are browns fans with a hatred of our qb.

I’m beginning to think we screwed up by not keeping Greg Williams as head coach imo.

Dog, I am pretty sure that Freddie is trying to call quicker plays. Trent Green mentioned it during the Ravens game that Freddie spoke of it.

I also think that the offensive coaches are in Baker's ear and I do think that there are guys he can check down, too. Steve Young was talking about it the other night. He showed a clip of Baker in college, where he had a ton of time in a remarkably clean pocket at Oklahoma and how there were open receivers, but Baker kept holding the ball and fired a deep pass into coverage for a TD. He said something like Baker needs to take what is given and stop trying to make Super Man throws.

Kitchens was out coached in every phase of the game. He had nothing for Shanny.

Oh there is....they're part of the silent majority.