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I agree. Even if the 2nd half of the season does not turn out as wel as we all hope. Keep things the same.

I wanted the team to stay the same after last season keep Williams as head coach and Kitchens as Offensive coordinator. They did not and the team has experienced growing pains.

No major changes this off season and work on fine details instead of new schemes.

I won't say that Williams would be a great HC. But I will say this. Our discipline and attention to detail has gone to hell since he left.

It's noteworthy that this team had too many penalties under Hue. The penalties went way down under Williams. Then, Freddie takes over and the penalties are a huge concern.

Well we both know that often times facts don't matter here.

In some cases I agree with you. But we've seen cases where the penalties were dumb and simply mental lapses.

I understand all of your points about having been coached for a long time and through elevating degrees of the game. And I must say when it comes to penalties in the aspect of fundamentals of the game it's hard to argue your point.

I would however note that focus and discipline are often a direct result of the respect and belief you have in those above you on the food chain.

On O you could say that might be your coaching staff or your QB. Those are the two basic leading components of your O.

Often times when things go south on a team, your leaders, be they the players who are the leaders or the coaching staff who are the leaders, must command those who are following them. I believe moral plays a much bigger part in all of this than people wish to believe.

Now before anyone goes off the deep end, I think that's something that has to be built. It takes time. That's why every time we start over with all new coaches that building process has to start all over.

Let me put it this way. The last half of the season last year, the players were buying in. Moral rose and not only the production of this team was better, but the individual performances were better.

That's why sometimes the old saying that, "If it ain't broke don't fix it" holds so much merit.

Ya i agree ... like the fact Freddie punished them every time they committed a penalty in TC ...

Maybe he oughta bench MG the next time he goes offsides ... that’ll teach um ... ...

GW’s way overrated as a DC ... way overrated ... another FACT ... the D played better last year when his kid took over ... ..

You can deny the penalties and lack of discipline this year compared to the last half of the season last year if you want to, but the facts still don't lie. That rests on the shoulders of those who dispute them.

The Schedule?

The Ravens win over the Seahawks hurt the Browns chances to win the division.

The Jaguars win over the Bengals hurt the Browns chances to get the wild card.

Among many others, back to the Bye Week.

I apologize for making the thread. God, this place!!!

Ravens have a tougher schedule in the second half and ours gets easier, so we have that much going for us. They still have to play NE too, and 49ers, Rams... Those could all be loses.

I agree. We still have a chance.

Disclaimer: That does not mean I am saying we will win the division. I was just trying to make a positive thread about not giving up on the season this early.

Niners barely beat the Redskins and the Rams are a shadow of their 2018 selves. So, don't hold your breath. I was seriously hoping Seattle would put the hurt on Baltimore, but the Ravens are proving to be pesky foes once again.

We definitely needed the Ravens to lose yesterday. It’s not an impossibility, but that win makes it much tougher for us IMO

Heres the thing for me....

We still need to play the Dolphins, Cardinals, Bengals, and Steelers. That was the schedule of the Ravens. We win those 4, we are at 6-4.

Ravens still need to play the Rams, 49ers, and Texans. They lose those, that puts them at 5-5.

We could still lose one of those 4 and be 5-5 and we'd still have the edge over the Ravens because we beat them...in their house.

The standings today don't determine the playoffs tomorrow.

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We play at the Patriots next. After them, we play at the Broncos and then the Bills at home. That's a tough stretch.

Yeah, playing Denver away is no picnic ... and I’m not looking forward to playing the Bills defense lol

We could easily be 2-7 after this stretch of games

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Presented without comments. Four easiest schedules so far:

29. Baltimore Ravens .380 17-28-1
30. Buffalo Bills .316 12-26
31. New England Patriots .286 12-30
32. San Francisco 49ers .282 11-28

Denver isn't a good team. And Buffalo's offense is bad. We should win both of those games.

First nine games on Browns' sked include seven games
against teams ranked in top nine in total defense.
Next up: No. 2 Patriots, No. 4 Broncos, No. 3 Bills.

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I'm sorry. None of this matters. This is what losers cling to. The Ravens went out west yesterday and beat one of the best teams in the league with probably the best QB this season.

Just win. The Browns suck at just winning.

I don't see us going 7-2 0r 8-1 in the final 9 games, more like 5-4.

that would leave us 7-9 and having a worse record than last year .. and a lot of turmoil IMO

[/quote] that would leave us 7-9 and having a worse record than last year .. and a lot of turmoil IMO [/quote]
yup, and probably Kitchens getting fired.

rightfully so too. if you get worse after adding more talent then why did you change to begin with..

I think we'll finish 5-11. Squeak out a win against Dolphins, one against Cincy, and one surprise win.

That would put us at a worse record than last year. But I don't think it's as simple as that when deciding Freddie's fate. They didn't hire Freddie to be the coach for one year. They hired him to be the coach for the next 10 years. Transitions aren't always easy and some don't come out of the gate clicking on all cylinders. It would be foolish to fire Freddie because he has a worse record than last year. Stick with him.

At some point we have to commit to coaches and players to get this thing turned around. There are no quick fixes.

I simply can't imagine Dorsey hiring a guy that has no NFL HC experience and the only NFL OC experience was on an interim basis the season before, and then turning around and firing him because he's doing dumb rookie HC stuff.

Haslam, yes... I can see that. Not Dorsey.

After the Patriots thrash us the best record I can possible see is 8-8.

5-11 would be an unmitigated disaster .. FK would never survive that obviuosly

Kitchens surviving would depend on who else is available. Lincoln Riley? See ya Freddie! Kevin Stefanski? We love ya Freddie!

(I am not saying I want Kitchens fired, I am saying if we only win five games it'd be hard to see Haslam not do anything.)

i agree ... that’s what I think too

j/c:

Every year, folks have unrealistic expectations and ridicule folks who try to temper those high expectations w/a dose of reality. By October, those same folks are talking about firing the coach. I wonder how many times folks can get hit in the head by a hammer before they learn to stay out of its way?

in True Browns Fashion... I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we beat NE's by 14.

I think we have a chance against New England. They will be coming off a Monday night game and we will be coming off of our bye. That means they have a short week to prepare for us while we have two weeks to get ready for them.

Hue Jackson got two years in which he won 1 game.

You guys are joking right about Kitchens not surviving, right?

I see what you did there... lowered expectations.

However, unless Mayfield gets hurt, I believe we are in this division fight to the bitter end. I think we have a better chance finishing 11-5 than 5-11.

I'm done with having positive expectations for this team.

Just win. They're losers until they do.

We could really Browns it up and shuffle our Oline going into this game, and come out looking sloppy and unprepared.

The roster tells more of the story than you seem to admit. The talent on The roster tells a lot of the story. Just looking at the QB depth alone. We had no talent to win with.

I'm not one of those calling for Freddie to be fired. But when looking at the investment made in the talent and the team being built to compete now, this is a totally different circumstance.

In case you missed it, the leash got very short on Hue once Dorsey made drastic improvements to the roster.

Freddie's time here may work out the same.