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Peenie ....

*LOL* .... sorry bro ... i couldn’t resist, the door was just too wide open my friend ...

This whole Trent Williams thing is starting to sound like Orlando Pace.

My thoughts exactly.

I don't know if it's just me but it's not great that we don't know who our left tackle is halfway into the season. Again, maybe it's just me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: When you are contemplating in-season upgrades at 3/5 of your OL unit - using players already on your roster - you are acknowledging that their play is less-than-desired...if not unacceptable.

If only someone could have known Greg Robinson was not good before the season started (or before we re-signed him).

One of the most alarming things is that it doesn't seem like Greg Robinson and the offensive line is among the top five things that need to be fixed.

My guess is that taking reps away reps from Robinson during practice is a way to send him a message that he needs to be better. I expect him to be the starter against the Patriots.

If I thought that were true I too would be concerned. But I don't believe it is. A rumor posted on the Twitterverse doesn't make it so. McCray worked at other positions as well and then the only actual comment was he could help if summoned to start. Twitter is often times no more than an unsubstantiated rumor mill.

There is nobody on this roster more qualified to start at LT than Robinson. That may not be a comforting thought but it's true none the less.

Jc

Changing up OL positions halfway through the year is less than ideal ... we must think that Robinson and Hubbard have been very bad

I agree. The OL could be better, but there are other areas of the team that are performing worse than the line.

I am still miffed about a person in our organization providing information to the crew of our nationally televised game that Greg Robinson was the number one reason we are not winning. Who was this person? I hope it wasn't our GM, HC, or another player who likes to speak his mind.

It's almost if this is setting up the line to be a scapegoat. If that's true, this team has big problems moving forward.

I don't know, Pit. I'm getting the feeling that there is truth to these rumors. I don't think the OL has been the problem, but I do think the Browns are considering making changes. Just too many dots are connecting.

Now, I could be wrong and you could be right. Just throwing my opinion out there.

I have no real idea. I just know trying to replace Robinson with anyone currently on our roster would be stupid. My opinion is based on the hope they aren't stupid.

That and none of the rumors can actually be substantiated.

This OL is like changing deck chairs on the Titanic.

They are all pretty much the same with different names minus Bitonio and Tretter.

I agree, I am not a big Greg fan, and we may need better talent there if we want to compete for a title moving forward, but that talent is just not on this team at this time and he is our best option. Doesn't mean its a good option, but our best, IMO.

I think the staff is trying to send a message he needs to shape up and play better. I would side on betting he starts against NE.

ahh

Well regardless of who starts at LT this week, it's always smart to give players some reps at different positions...as we learned week one.

I can’t believe I read 10 pages of comments and no one mentioned the quote in the article that Gregg Robinson said the Vaccaro kick was “inadvertent”.

For shame Dawgs. For shame

Good point.

Maybe he meant he inadvertently kicked him with one foot -- he was really trying to kick him with both feet.

From everything I've read there will most likely be some changes to one of the three spots that have been mentioned, but they are not willing to replace all three. At the most I would guess they experiment with some changes on the right side. As Pit mentioned earlier in the thread, there isn't a better replacement for Robinson currently on the team.

The team still has issues that need to be addressed before we are ready to be a legitimate SB contender, and it isn't going to happen until the off season. My personal opinion is that while the OTs haven't been great it really hasn't been that bad. Personally, I think our DL has been way more of an issue as the DTs are getting very little push, and we still lack serious depth in that area.

I was always hoping to just sneak into the playoffs this year so the guys can get that experience. I still think that's a possibility but we obviously have to be more consistent and disciplined.

We can blame the OL or DL, bro............but in my opinion--and this is no knock on your opinion--but I think Baker, Freddie, and team chemistry have been our three biggest issues.

With that said, both guys and the chemistry can improve and the season will be righted, but as of right now......they are the biggest issues.

I don't disagree with that. Again, I didn't have the same SB expectations that some have had so I am not all that surprised with growing pains from Freddie and Mayfield....I expected them.

I don't know how much you watched of Watson last year, but he really struggled the 1st half of the year as Defenses started giving him different looks post snap. Again, my opinion, but Baker is going through this right now. I just hope he grows and figures it out like DW did. Freddie is a 1st year HC and he should get better (I hope). The decision to not play any starters in pre season was puzzling, and I think that has hurt us this year. The discipline and play calling at times have been lacking as well.

Like I said we have a lot of areas to improve to be even close to a SB team. Some of those improvements have to come from guys already in house (Baker and Freddie as you mentioned) and some of it has to come with additional personnel provided in the off-season.

I just want to sneak into the Playoffs this year so these guys get a taste of that, because it will help us when we are ready.

Of course if Baker/Freddie aren't the answer we are probably light years away from that anyway.

I've been pretty negative about our OL, I think they've been a major problem and hindering our ability to allow slow developing plays to, well, develop but I think making major changes, unless there's a clear upgrade, is playing with fire. We can manage around the problem for the remainder of the season with quick outs, play action and leaning on the running game.

If they come out after the bye with a significantly retooled OL and they lay a major egg against New England's D (VERY real possibility in the best of scenarios) then what? Go back? This feels very old Browns. Very scape goaty and not just everyone hunkering down and pulling together. I've had doubts about Kitchens from the beginning, this adds major fuel to that fire. My only hope is that this is all head games for the hoodie. We come out next week with the same OL and run no huddle all game.

Playing with fire indicates that there's a chance for success... and therefore is the wrong phrase for juggling our Oline midseason (assuming there's no TWilliams (or equivalent) trade).

What would he have to say about this group, this season, at this time. I think some of this OL has to change. Just have mixed feelings about Robinson.

Many are claiming that the Oline is horrible, I don't think it is that bad. Some blame Baker for holding the ball. I agree he does at times, but some times he is holding it due to the fact that they are getting to him or very close very quickly.

All these different NFL sites show that him and Hubbard struggle and rate very low. Some like to blame the tough defenses we play as a semi excuse.

My point is most are correct, even if their thinking is different. When I watch the games, to my casual eye, it appears that the run blocking is okay, but pass blocking is struggling. I understand all the talk about throwing in 2.5 seconds or less, and agree many QBs hold the ball longer than that. Also these times are averages. One broken play or two with a scramble involved can skew the average. But to me, Robinson seems to not give full effort consistently. Almost that once he gets beaten, he dwells on that and his game suffers.

In the end, we need two tackles that are dependable to achieve reaching the hype this offense got pre-season. Baker needs to hold up his game too. He is playing like he did before Robinson was inserted. I think he lacks trust in the line and that is skewing his thinking.

Both our tackles are back up quality IMO.

j/c:

Opinions are cool, but man, there is so much misinformation on this thread.

j/c

Even though the O Line has been statistically OK, I think the reason why they developed the reputation over the first several weeks of being such a weak link is because those OK statistics weren't equating to the eye test so to speak. Early on too often someone was breaking through the line or pushing one of our guys back hard. Baker had happy feet which partially was on him for being too jumpy, but I think enough of that happy feet was justified. Whenever there was pressure on Baker it wasn't coming from a consistent area.

Right or Left, neither side was playing consistent. If it wasn't Hubbard getting beat, it was Robinson. If the Tackles were fine, then it was a G not holding their own.

It appears we maybe on a slight upward trajectory with the O line now. I'm not a stat monkey, but I would be curious to see the individual O Line stats from early on that cover who was giving up sacks, hits, and pressures.

The fact we are benching lineman is just a scapegoat.

Our OL is giving about 3.5 secs per pass play which ranks them very high, this is more time that Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers has been getting. The problem is our QB not throwing the ball and holding on to it too long.

I know I get it, Greg Robinson or whoever else isn’t the 1st pick in the draft, but it’s BS one or more of these guys are going to lose their spot because someone won’t do his and holds on to the ball or run into sacks. It’s not right! That not how things should be done. Bellichik would have benched Mayfield already, not punishing his OL that is actually not doing too bad a job especially in the run game...but it’s Cleveland it’s expected.

More misinformation. Rodgers is one of the two guys who holds the ball longer than Baker. I will add that that stat was before this past Sunday's games. I posted the link about who holds it the longest in the Baker thread. Cousins held it the longest. Followed by Rodgers. Baker was tied for third longest.

Also, I have posted the blocking charts for what is considered a win in the NFL. The time limit is 2.5 w/out giving up any pressure. At the time I posted that info, the Browns were third best in the league.

I think it's getting harder and harder to spread misinformation because there is so much more information available to us these days. Of course, the three guys who post most of that information on this board are not currently posting the available information about holding the ball, positive pass protection, and many other related offensive stats. I have no idea why they are remaining mute. LOL

Being mentioned now according to rotoworld that Nate Solder is being linked to the Browns...another guy up there in years who isn't very good and has a large cap number...imho I dont know how much of a help he is...I know he will certainly strain the cap

Solder’s been awful thus far, so I’d say no thanks

It's only one play, but damn.

Wow ... how good was Tretter on that play ... dang ...

It was only one play, but of course that is what gets highlighted. No mention of the OL giving up zero sacks and only 8 pressures in the the Seattle game, though.