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Landry and Kirksey are the two that I've seen leading the team in those Building the Browns videos. I think Landry is doing a decent job as well, but there's only so much you can do as well if there isn't strong leadership in the coaching staff.

One of the sideline reporters mentioned that Landry came off the field after that bad blocking call and said something along the lines of "We've got to beat the Refs too", and then you get all those sideline shots of Kitchens screaming at the Refs. It reminded me of a coach that my son had in "little league" football. He would relentlessly scream at the Refs about everything. Some of the parents would join in with him, and after awhile the players acted like they were going to get screwed by the refs every game. Then he took a vacation one week, and I subbed in for him. Early in the game one of my receivers collided with a defender as the both jumped up for the ball, and one of my parents immediately started going after the Ref. I turned to him and was like "It's cool, it was just incidental contact. No need to get the Ref all ticked off at us." And the parents played it cool the rest of the game. It was probably the best reffed game all year too.

But then I have these memories of Kitchens screaming at the Refs in the fourth quarter of a meaningless pre-season game. I can't imagine he's much better now. As much as it probably doesn't endear the refs to our cause, I wonder if that mentality is trickling down to the players as well? You've got Landry despondent on the sideline thinking that we'll never get a call, and he's the team leader. As frustrating as those terrible calls are, we need guys (be it coaches or players) to tell everyone to shake it off and win it on the next play. But if the guy at the top isn't doing that ...

I meant a non-bounty-gate-scandal candidate

The problem with the clock management at the end of the first half was that they were rushing and they didn't need to. We were in FG range, we had time to score a TD if possible, we had timeouts.. Yet he and Baker both looked a bit frazzled like they felt like they needed to speed up... Baker forced the throw into the endzone like it was 4th and goal.

this is part of the problem with a rookie HC and a near-rookie QB.. somebody needs to remain calm. I also think we are way too protective of our timeouts at end of half and end of game situations... we have rushed ourselves into mistakes with TOs on the board only to never get a chance to use them..

He said he was trying to hurry up and save the timeouts so we could score, get the ball back then score again.

Yes, idiotic strategy, but that's what he said.

I feel like he needs to just keep his mouth shut in press conferences. He only makes things worse for himself each week.

Ah, got it. I think this is where his inexperience shows at times. I get that he wants to try to think out ahead, that's a good plan... but when a team and a QB has struggled inside the redzone like ours has and you have an opportunity to build on your lead against a very good team.. focus on that opportunity and take it. If we needed to score twice at the end of the game, sure, think like that, but we didn't. That was not only loss of points, it was a HUGE momentum swing.

Agree on all counts.

Especially knowing the history of the Browns right before the half.

So what you're actually saying is that everyone's opinion was taken into consideration or at least listened to in the process.

That in no way indicates that Baker picked the coach.

I can't find anything in Google that provides a source for saying Dorsey actually asked Baker..

But in my search I found something I forgot.. there was actually a Condi Rice rumor as coach? Love her but as an NFL coach? C'mon MAN...

I don't recall anything reported that he asked Baker either. That doesn't mean it didn't happen or wasn't reported, but like you, I couldn't find it and I don't remember it.

Baker did an interview with Tirico and it aired before the Rams game. He made it clear he let his preference be known and that it was Freddie.

That's my recollection of the interview. I think I even commented on it on the board.

Ok, well that's something.. but it doesn't say that Dorsey asked for his opinion, right?

Honestly I don't remember. It might have.

I'm sure it's on YouTube.

I thought it sucked for all the fans who tailgated ..spent time and money on tickets and parking...Rocked the Stadium with their energy... to once again walk out with a team that lost...

yeah, thats the tough part of being 0-3 at home ... kick in the fans groins

And they lost because they were stupid.

It's like rubbing it in your face.

j/c:



Not good.

#FreeToddMonken

The Browns put up over 400 yds of offense. Each INT was due to poor execution. I'm not buying it.

Ehh, that’s not very good to read

Haven't been following this thread. Just wanted to add, Russell Wilson was by far the best player on that field, regardless of positions.

I said this when we hired Monkin. Why don't Kitchens and Monkin switch off on play calling? 2 good play callers. Alternate by quarter one game, by half in another. Mix in a series here and there. If you have two play caller with different tendencies, how can you figure out the tendencies if you don't know who is calling the play?

No kidding. If they knew the plays and still needed all the mistakes and gifts from the refs to win, it doesn't say much for their D.

Why not? From what I read on here, if something works, like handing the ball to Nick Chubb, or running a quick slant route.... you should just keep doing it.. over and over and over...

j/c

Yeah, if you know what the other team is doing on O and still give up over 400 yards and 28 points, I'm not sure you want to tell people about it.

Is it just me or are players trashing other teams in post game interviews as well? Seems like every week somebody has to come out with something to say... is this happening to other teams and I'm just not paying attention?

Seems these teams are mad because the media hyped the Browns in the off-season..

I would be really surprised if players/teams actually took the Browns hype to heart. Your question is a good one, though. I wonder if there's this much post-game trash talk going on with other teams.

It could just be that some guys running around out there have a bit of the Richard Sherman thing going on... they gotta play with that edge, and so they try to get that edge however they can. Gotta convince yourself it's you against the world.

I'm no pro athlete or psychologist, so take this post for what it's worth (not a whole lot).

I am really the wrong person to ask about that. I watch the games and pretty much leave it at that. Over the decades, and especially during the last decade, I just got tired of hearing all the noise.

IMO it's simply gotten out of hand. The Twitterverse and the entire "sound bite/30 second attention span" world is not something that I find attractive nor productive.

In that world, everyone who has an opinion, no matter how far fetched, suddenly has a platform a certain segment of our society feels some need to pay attention to.

I don't doubt that people had the same opinions and views before this catastrophe began. It's just that now they have an audience to listen and publicize it.

There were players in our first few weeks who specifically talked about being tired of hearing about the Browns in the offseason...

And national commentators who openly said they hope the Browns lose because of all the hype (that their peers created)...

I mean, I get it.. you shouldn't get that much hype until you have earned it.. but it wasn't like it was Berea that was making playoff and super bowl predictions, it was the national media..

Ok, I should've been more clear.

I TOTALLY get the Ravens (and Pitt, Cinci) getting ticked about all the Browns hype. I don't at all get San Fran and Seattle players getting all worked up (except for Bosa with the flag-planting connection).

Oh, I absolutely am considering it and it's not just about the INTs. (1) Because I don't think he made it up out of thin air, (2) I think we saw this evolve over the course of the game, and (3) Even I called it that Freddie was going to run the same play with Chubb after that failed challenge on the second 4th and inches attempt (in front of the TV with family as the only alibis). Personally, I think QB sneak was the answer (higher % of being successful) but essentially the SAME PLAY was ran twice in a row. The Baker injury may have muddied the waters on that for Freddie.

You can mention the 406 total yards, but they had 104 yards in the entire second half. The first three drives totaled 189 yards .....guess how many yards remained from drives 4-12? That math isn't hard.

All I'm saying is, as the game progressed, it is plausible to consider that what Shaq is saying is correct. Personally, I don't know why he'd make that up and Browns production waned as the game went on. My concern is, regardless of total yards, is at the end of the day, do teams have leverage over us because of formation coupled with down/distance? Will teams get every guess right? No, of course not. But they are in a much better position to capitalize if they can narrow call possibilities....if this is true.

There were only two drives of 30+ or more yards after the first three drives....Could it be Baker? Or the line? Or (insert issue here)? Yeah, it could. It could also be what Shaq said. I mean, do we hear that quote often in the NFL post-game?

As did I.

I actually said something like watch them run the same play and get stuffed...

Blew my mind.

same here! Totally forgot about that ... but I was like “Watch us run the same play they just saw” .. and then we did ... just horrendous lol

I agree, that was the worst coach call of the game by far.

You want to get rid of Dorsey? Best GM we've had in decades? Everyone is entitled to making a mistake. Keep Dorsey, hire a new HC if necessary. Do NOT get rid of the GM. This team is pretty close. Maybe it takes another year or two but we are in a lot better shape than we were under any of the other bums we've had for GM's.