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I don't disagree a 2nd rounder is a steep price for Sanu.

I just think it is about getting another ring or two for the Pats and the power that be don't care all that much about the future.


Brady is done in a year or two, Belichek is done in a year or two, Kraft is probably near the time to cash out.. They don't care about 2-3 years down the road.
Owners look to sell high, and the Pats are pretty high right now

I don’t think any of the above is true.

Any?



That is pretty strong

I think you are pretty wrong.

He might be, but so are others. New England can win a 'chip this year. Giving up a second to help secure that instead of wanting to build for the future is not really a bad move.

I agree.... price feels steep for a guy whose best year was 838 yards.... but if they'd win a Super Bowl and he has a big role the. It's worth it... he should do well with Brady

J/C

I fully expect Sanu to throw a TD on a trick play Sunday lol

Browns interested in Giants' Nate Solder if they can't trade for Redskins' Trent Williams
Cleveland is actively searching for help up front ahead of the trade deadline

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brown...trent-williams/

The Cleveland Browns have been heavily linked to Washington Redskins left tackle Trent Williams as they look to shore up ongoing offensive line woes, but if they can't land the seven-time Pro Bowler, it appears they have a backup plan.

His name is Nate Solder.

As the Oct. 29 trade deadline draws near, the Browns are still attempting to pry Williams from Washington, which figures to be a seller thanks to its 1-6 record entering Thursday night. But Solder, the New York Giants left tackle, also has their interest, according to CBS Sports NFL insider Jason La Canfora.

The 31-year-old lineman is only a year and a half removed from signing a four-year, $62 million with the Giants, but with $40 million remaining on his contract after an underwhelming start in New York, he could be a prime candidate for an early departure. A two-time Super Bowl champion with the New England Patriots from 2011 to 2017, Solder could be released to save cap space in 2020, but he'd still carry a dead cap charge of $13 million. In other words, if the Giants think he isn't their left tackle of the future, they might jump at the chance to send his contract elsewhere.

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The Browns, meanwhile, traded guard Kevin Zeitler, perhaps their best chance of protecting quarterback Baker Mayfield, to the Giants as part of their acquisition of wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. in the offseason. But they can also afford to take on a hefty salary, ranking second in the NFL in terms of current cap space.

If Solder were to be made available and the Browns were willing to make an offer, it helps, as La Canfora noted this week, that the Browns and Giants have done business together lately -- most notably with the offseason swap of big names like Zeitler, Beckham and Olivier Vernon.

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I keep reading on here about how bad we miss Zeitler and now there are rumors of us trading for Nate Solder. Meanwhile, that great NY Giant offensive line gave up 8 freaking sacks to the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday.

yuk

J/C

what are some thoughts on trying to get Vaitai from the Eagles. I read he is in last year of contract, and could be trade bait.

I don't know much about him other than he played a good bit in their SB run.

Honestly I am no OL expert - but it seems to me that generally the OL needs time to gel and play together. Unless you go out and grab an upper echelon player - the chances are the person you plug in is going to take time to mesh with the OL and scheme. Trading for a middle of the pack guy essentially half way through the season doesn't seem to make a ton of sense to me. I get the age and injury concerns with Williams, but at least from a plug and play perspective that made sense (not commenting on the value - just the improved performance).

Yeah. I mean, there's going to be more to the Solder story (are the sacks on him? what're all of the factors going into those sacks?) than just "he sucks, Giants don't want him". I don't watch Giants game and have no interest. I do know we tried to bring him in during FA not that long ago.

I get the Trent Williams interest. He has a reputation of being a strong LT. There are injury concerns, but he could be healed up with all the time he's been not playing. There are age concerns, but good LTs can last a little longer. He could be a good person to lock down the position so we can fill in some promising talent behind him.

Maybe Jones held the ball too long.

Maybe the scheme doesn't work for the talent available and inexperienced QB at the wheel.

Jones had the seventh best Time to Throw stat of any QB last week.

Sometimes it is just too funny.

This right here.

Jones has one of the better times to throw last week and the narrative shifts to we must not miss Zeitler regardless of knowing if one particular lineman would be to blame.

Yeah, "this right here".

Agendas think alike.

Trading for Nate Solder seems like a nice compromise. He would offer the steadiness that we might be lacking with Greg Robinson but we wouldn't have to break the bank to get him.

Agenda? I don't feel trading for Solder will cure what ails us and we'll have to give a lot to get him. I think it would be a bad deal.

If that's an agenda, I think your view of what that means is way off the mark.

"Mmmmm Hmmmmm"

What would we have to give up? I was thinking we could get him for something like a third round pick.

I was thinking a 5th .... but we'll see if anything happens.

Right. I don't think Nate Solder will cost much at all. I was thinking a fifth too but thought that probably isn't enough. Either way he's not going to be a player that we mortgage the future for. We may even be able to get him in a player for player swap.

This year his salary isn't that bad. But next year he is due a 9.9 million dollar base salary. In 2021 he also has a 9.9 million dollar base salary. The total cap hits for those years with bonuses are staggering. 19.5 million for 2020 and 20.5 million for 2021. If we were to cut him next year the dead cap would be 13 million but only 6 million in 2021.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/nate-solder-7732/

I'm not sure what we would have to give up for him in draft compensation. Looking at the Sanu deal it seems that teams are paying a high price for desperation moves.

If I felt he would actually solve our problems it would be worth considering. But we have a lot of talent that will need resigned and I think the cap hit alone makes it a terrible deal.

Solder's salary would be less because "when a player is traded, only prorated bonus money is accelerated against the cap. Any guaranteed base salaries will become the liability of the player's new team."

https://overthecap.com/calculator/cleveland-browns/

The numbers you posted above are very inaccurate as player's salary structures change after they are traded.

Just a FYI, according to PFF Zeitler is having a down year but he's still grading out as above average, Solder on the other hand is having his worst year as a pro and is only grading out as average.

Jones probably does hold the ball too long.

But, since you have access to how much time he had to throw, do you also have access to how long Baker has to throw?

He has one penalty and has given up .5 of a sack through 7 games. Since I don't have a premium PFF account, I don't how he has been rated pass vs run, unfortunately.

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=25737

If you go to the Baker thread, yes.

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Flipping back and forth to read the recent posts in this thread and Greg Robinson thread is a hoot. You can't trust analytics and charts on one thread and they are used to prove something else on the other thread. LOL......and then the word "agenda" is thrown out there.

And by that same grading system Kush is a 48. Greg Robinson is a 67, Solder is a 64.

I don't want Solder and prefer to stick with Robinson and adjust in the offseason. But the insinuation that one game Giants O-Line issues (that primarily happend towards the end of the game mean we don't miss Zeitler are hilarious. (Not made by you)

Daniel Jones had the 10th best time-to-throw avg this season.

I never said we don't miss Zeitler. I think we do miss him. I was referencing that OLs give up sacks and if our OL would have given up 8 sacks in a game, this place would be going nuts.

But again, to be clear.......we do miss Zeitler. He is a fine player.

I'm not a big fan of Solder. I heard the Giants were disappointed in his play last year after signing him in FA. I really haven't paid attention to him much this year.

Unless we can pull off a Greco type trade I say stay the course and worry about the oline in the off-season. Maybe move Hubbard inside since that is where he mostly played in Pittsburgh and draft/trade/sign a LT and a RT.

That has been--and still is--my position. I do think the OL needs some upgrades. But, I think it would be wise to save our draft choices and upgrade the line during the off-season, whether that be in FA, the draft, or both.

Then what would those numbers be? I though you had to honor current contracts of you trade for a player unless you re-negotiate the contract?

J/c

Let’s just say we get an OT at the deadline, can Robinson play RT? Maybe we deem Hubbard as more of an issue

This would be ideal so long as Robinson is able to flip sides and adjust relatively quickly. That's a bit of an ask, though.