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I have a dumb question:
Does the time to throw account for when a QB rolls out and/or buys extra time with his legs, and if so, then how.
let's say that Lama Jackson rolls out of the pocket, and scrambles around for 12 seconds. He has a total of 18 passes in the game, and averages 2.4 seconds on the rest of his passes, and plays effectively. That would raise his average time to throw all the way to 2.93 seconds.
I think that time taken to pass has a few different factors:
How quickly the QB sees what is happening, and makes his decisions/throws.
OL protection not allowing quick pressure.
Scheme. Is the scheme read deep to short, or short to deep, or is it left to right, or right to left?
Are the receivers consistently in the right spots, and do they win their routes?
How often is the offense put in bad down/distance situation by virtue of negative plays, or stupid penalties?
I think that Baker has suffered due to all of these factors. He is also in his 1st year in a new scheme. (as is the rest of the offense, and defense, for that matter) I think that he gets the ball out pretty quickly when the scheme comes together, but when one area breaks down .... well, then he takes longer.
I would also just say that the time between 2.3 seconds and 2.5 or 2.6 is probably about the time it takes to say "A" Yes, there's a difference. Is it a make or break difference? I don't know.
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I looked at the definition of Time to Throw on the NGS website. It's simply time from snap to the ball leaving the QBs hands, and sacks are excluded.
I think a QB like Lamar doesn't get all that much from the TtT stat. His game (relying on his legs and the threat of him running) distorts that stat, as you pointed out.
Baker is not like that. Baker holds onto the ball because he's looking downfield and is unsure. It doesn't have anything to do with him taking off running.
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Honestly I do not know if Solder is an upgrade over Robinson?
I am skeptical because NE let him walk.
If Dorsey finds a trade partner and the deal makes sense; and there is an upgrade of talent without over paying. Then I am all in.
And that goes for any position. I have no position prejudice.
RT, RG, LT all those positions could use an upgrade. What is in place is average or below. Are they serviceable? yes.
Are they the only problem? No.
The team has to play better on both sides of the ball. You can not lead the league in penalties. You can not turn the ball over. You need consistent play at quarterback. Receivers have to catch the ball.
Plenty of things need to happen in order to win games.
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The team has to play better on both sides of the ball. I'm disappointed in the offense, but I also expected some regression from Mayfield, if only because the league had film on him, not to mention the new faces at OL, WR, RB, and coaching staff. I am actually more disappointed by the defense at this point in the season. Our defense, while strong vs the pass (ranked 6th @ 219 YPG) is terrible again vs the run (ranked 30th @ 154 YPG), and is ranked 23rd overall @ 373 YPG. They are 22nd in points allowed per game @ 25.7. Our DBs, and some of our LBs, can't tackle. The only bright spots this year have been Nick Chubb and our Special Teams. Kudos to Nick, Coord Priefer, Gillan, Seibert, and the cover teams. They've been a big upgrade over last year, although I wish we had a threat at Punt Returner.
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For the first 6 games inconsistency rules.
It just seems like people are taking turns at making mistakes.
When that happens things snowball and we have seen the results.
It is frustrating because the potential to be better is there. In the past there was no potential because of the lack of talent.
I believe patience is required now. Because the necessary chemistry is not there yet.
The second half will tell the story.
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I agree that our line hasn’t played as badly as the narrative states, but I also think our OT’s need upgraded in a pretty bad way
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/browns-are-...-171634498.htmlBrowns are trying to help Baker Mayfield with a trade deadline acquisition Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson,Yahoo Sports 3 hours ago The Cleveland Browns apparently don’t plan on letting the NFL trade deadline pass without making a significant offensive line acquisition for quarterback Baker Mayfield. The only question is whether general manager John Dorsey can reel in the perennial Pro Bowler he has been pursuing for nearly two months, or settle for something less. Multiple league sources have told Yahoo Sports that Dorsey has spent weeks reaching out to a swath of teams about acquiring offensive line help before the deadline — including three from the NFC East: the Washington Redskins, New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. The sources said Dorsey is concentrating his efforts on starting-caliber offensive tackles while lining up backup options if the Redskins ultimately refuse to part ways with seven-time Pro Bowler Trent Williams. With the trade deadline set at 4 p.m. ET on Oct. 29, it appears Dorsey’s preferred target is still Williams, although league sources said the Redskins have given no indication they’re trading him in spite of his refusal to report to the team. What is stopping a deal for Redskins’ Trent Williams? “Dorsey has been trying to get Williams for basically six weeks,” one league source said. “But [Redskins president] Bruce Allen just refuses to trade him. It’s all Bruce. He won’t do it.” The Browns are aggressively trying to upgrade the offensive line in front of Baker Mayfield, according to sources. The Browns are aggressively trying to upgrade the offensive line in front of Baker Mayfield, sources have told Yahoo Sports. (Getty Images) Another source said the Redskins haven’t had a meaningful dialogue with Williams’ representatives in “more than a month” — adding: “It’s to the point of being a personal thing now between Trent and Bruce. I don’t think Bruce is going to back down from it now. It might just have to play itself out because it’s not like Dan [Snyder] is going to intervene the way Shad Khan did with the [Jalen] Ramsey deal. Bruce is more likely to tell Dan what to do in this situation than the other way around.” One thing that appears certain is that Williams would be the priciest tackle on the trade market, likely requiring a first-round pick despite being 31 and seeking a top-end contract extension wherever he lands. The Browns have draft capital to offer and the salary cap space to get an extension in place. Not to mention the need, with the line in front of Mayfield badly requiring a top-caliber anchor, which Williams would certainly be. [Watch live NFL games on the Yahoo Sports app, download it here.] Other options include Giants, Eagles If Allen’s “no trade” stance doesn’t change for the Redskins, Dorsey could end up making a push for Nate Solder from the New York Giants as his second option. Dorsey and Giants general manager Dave Gettleman have the working relationship to get a deal done quickly and Solder might benefit from a fresh start in Cleveland after not living up to the lucrative deal he signed in New York. Solder would also come at a cheaper price, too. If that doesn’t come together? Option No. 3 for Dorsey would be more of a bargain move for depth and flexibility — targeting one of the Eagles’ offensive tackles. Specifically backup Halapoulivaati Vaitai, who has starting experience at tackle and also the flexibility to play guard if needed. Vaitai is in the last year of his rookie deal and has been the odd man out in an offensive tackle quartet that includes top-end starters Jason Peters and Lane Johnson, as well as rookie Andre Dillard.
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The numbers you posted above are very inaccurate as player's salary structures change after they are traded. Then what would those numbers be? I though you had to honor current contracts of you trade for a player unless you re-negotiate the contract? You have to honor the contract but the bonuses are accelerated onto the trading teams cap as dead money. For example, when we traded for OBJ the Giants took on his bonuses as dead money while we only have to pay his base salary.
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But isn't that just the signing bonus portion? I don't believe that includes any roster bonus or other incentive bonuses within the contract.
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But isn't that just the signing bonus portion? I don't believe that includes any roster bonus or other incentive bonuses within the contract. It's the prorated bonus that is accelerated into dead cap. Solder is owed a prorated bonus of $6.5M in 2020 and 2021 that money would become dead money for the Giants. Solder's base salary is $9.9M with a roster bonus of $3M and a workout bonus of $100K, so his cap number would be around $12M. He wouldn't have any guarantees though so we would be able to cut him for nothing if we cut him before his roster bonus deadline kicks in. $12M is right in the middle of the pack for starting tackles, so it wouldn't be too oppressive. Also, the cap has gone up at least $10M every year for the last several years. I am not worried about cap space at all.
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It's why a lot of teams are doing smaller signing bonuses with a higher guarantee on salaries.
The Giants gave OBJ a signing bonus of $20 million, with a total of $41 million guaranteed total.
When they traded him, they were responsible for the entire signing bonus. The Browns are responsible for the guarantees in salary this year and next (IIRC) but nothing beyond that.
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I respect that you are trying to protect Baker, but your questions seem a bit odd because you were here for Timid/Holcomb; Frye/DA; and Weeden/Hoyer.
I remember you being very active in those debates. I won't get into that part, but the OL in each instance was crucified by many when Timid, Frye, and Weeden were starting and then miraculously improved when the other three guys took over. I'm surprised you don't remember any of those events. Heck, Joe Thomas and other offensive linemen made a huge deal about how great it was having DA back there because he got rid of the ball quickly and didn't run into sacks.
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Browns are trying to help Baker Mayfield with a trade deadline acquisition This article and others like it should do wonders for team morale.  If there is a way to Browns it up, we always find creative ways to unearth it. Hey guys. We think you stink and want to replace you. And we are letting the world know it. In the meantime, go out there and win one for the "team."
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Did someone from the Browns write the article, or issue the headline?
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Of course not.
It won't be long before Vers starts blaming Baker for climate change.
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j/c: There has been a lot of talk about how bad the OL has been and how Baker's stats about holding the ball are hurt because the line gives up such quick pressure and he is forced to bail early. My eyes tell me that that is incorrect. Here is an article that ranks individual and team pass rush and pass pro win rates. I highlighted the Browns rankings.
I will add this information to other threads where people are discussing the OL and our QB. NFL pass-blocking, pass-rushing rankings: 2019 PBWR, PRWR leaderboard Oct 22, 2019 ESPN.com ESPN Analytics created a revolutionary new way of measuring the pass-block and pass-rush performance of individual NFL players. Editor's Picks We created better pass-rusher and pass-blocker stats: How they work Our Pass Block Win Rate metric tells us the rate at which linemen can sustain their blocks for 2.5 seconds or longer. Likewise, our Pass Rush Win Rate metric tells us how often a pass-rusher is able to beat his block within 2.5 seconds. Our model of pass blocking harnesses player tracking data from NFL Next Gen Stats. Read more about how PBWR and PRWR work here. Top 10 DE/OLB Pass Rush Win Rate 1. Robert Quinn, Cowboys, 33% 2. T.J. Watt, Steelers, 30% 3. Khalil Mack, Bears, 29% 4. Shaquil Barrett, Buccaneers, 28% 5. Matthew Judon, Ravens, 27% 6. Takkarist McKinley, Falcons, 26% 7. Preston Smith, Packers, 25% 8. Myles Garrett, Browns, 25%9. Dante Fowler Jr., Rams, 24% 10. DeMarcus Lawrence, Cowboys, 24% Top 10 DT Pass Rush Win Rate 1. Aaron Donald, Rams, 26% 2. Grady Jarrett, Falcons, 21% 3. Calais Campbell, Jaguars, 21% 4. Ed Oliver, Bills, 19% 5. Vita Vea, Buccaneers, 19% 6. Maliek Collins, Cowboys, 18% 7. Chris Jones, Chiefs, 15% 8. Corey Peters, Cardinals, 15% 9. Denico Autry, Colts, 14% 10. Charles Omenihu, Texans, 14% Top 10 OT Pass Block Win Rate 1. Trent Brown, Raiders, 95% 2. David Bakhtiari, Packers, 95% 3. Tytus Howard, Texans, 95% 4. Brian O'Neill, Vikings, 95% 5. Charles Leno Jr., Bears, 94% 6. Dion Dawkins, Bills, 93% 7. Ty Nsekhe, Bills, 93% 8. Ronnie Stanley, Ravens, 93% 9. Orlando Brown Jr., Ravens, 92% 10. Anthony Castonzo, Colts, 92% Top 10 OG Pass Block Win Rate 1. Elgton Jenkins, Packers, 98% 2. Marshal Yanda, Ravens, 97% 3. Joe Thuney, Patriots, 97% 4. Quenton Nelson, Colts, 96% 5. J.R. Sweezy, Cardinals, 95% 6. Joel Bitonio, Browns, 95%7. Brandon Brooks, Eagles, 95% 8. Ali Marpet, Buccaneers, 94% 9. David DeCastro, Steelers, 94% 10. Josh Kline, Vikings, 94% Top 10 C Pass Block Win Rate 1. Corey Linsley, Packers, 99% 2. JC Tretter, Browns, 98%3. A.Q. Shipley, Cardinals, 97% 4. Mike Pouncey, Chargers, 97% 5. Brandon Linder, Jaguars, 96% 6. Rodney Hudson, Raiders, 96% 7. Ryan Jensen, Buccaneers, 96% 8. Mitch Morse, Bills, 95% 9. Weston Richburg, 49ers, 94% 10. Matt Skura, Ravens, 93% Team Pass Rush Win Rate 1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 60% 2. Baltimore Ravens, 56% 3. Philadelphia Eagles, 55% 4. Dallas Cowboys, 55% 5. Jacksonville Jaguars, 50% 6. Los Angeles Rams, 50% 7. Atlanta Falcons, 49% 8. Pittsburgh Steelers, 48% 9. Green Bay Packers, 48% 10. Buffalo Bills, 47% 11. Arizona Cardinals, 47% 12. Chicago Bears, 47% 13. Cleveland Browns, 46%14. New York Jets, 46% 15. San Francisco 49ers, 46% 16. Houston Texans, 45% 17. Indianapolis Colts, 44% 18. Washington Redskins, 44% 19. Los Angeles Chargers, 44% 20. Seattle Seahawks, 41% 21. Carolina Panthers, 41% 22. Tennessee Titans, 41% 23. New Orleans Saints, 41% 24. New England Patriots, 39% 25. New York Giants, 38% 26. Minnesota Vikings, 38% 27. Cincinnati Bengals, 37% 28. Kansas City Chiefs, 36% 29. Denver Broncos, 36% 30. Oakland Raiders, 36% 31. Miami Dolphins, 31% 32. Detroit Lions, 24% Team Pass Block Win Rate 1. Green Bay Packers, 68% 2. Buffalo Bills, 65% 3. Baltimore Ravens, 65% 4. Indianapolis Colts, 64% 5. Oakland Raiders, 63% 6. Jacksonville Jaguars, 61% 7. Houston Texans, 61% 8. Pittsburgh Steelers, 61% 9. Tennessee Titans, 60% 10. Cleveland Browns, 60%11. Dallas Cowboys, 60% 12. New Orleans Saints, 59% 13. Arizona Cardinals, 58% 14. Los Angeles Chargers, 58% 15. New York Giants, 58% 16. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 58% 17. Chicago Bears, 57% 18. Philadelphia Eagles, 56% 19. Kansas City Chiefs, 56% 20. San Francisco 49ers, 56% 21. Minnesota Vikings, 56% 22. Washington Redskins, 56% 23. Los Angeles Rams, 54% 24. Detroit Lions, 53% 25. New England Patriots, 53% 26. New York Jets, 52% 27. Seattle Seahawks, 50% 28. Atlanta Falcons, 50% 29. Denver Broncos, 46% 30. Miami Dolphins, 43% 31. Cincinnati Bengals, 41% 32. Carolina Panthers, 40% visit the ESPN Analytics Index. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2758...rwr-leaderboard
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The team has to play better on both sides of the ball. I'm disappointed in the offense, but I also expected some regression from Mayfield, if only because the league had film on him, not to mention the new faces at OL, WR, RB, and coaching staff. I am actually more disappointed by the defense at this point in the season. Our defense, while strong vs the pass (ranked 6th @ 219 YPG) is terrible again vs the run (ranked 30th @ 154 YPG), and is ranked 23rd overall @ 373 YPG. They are 22nd in points allowed per game @ 25.7. Our DBs, and some of our LBs, can't tackle. The only bright spots this year have been Nick Chubb and our Special Teams. Kudos to Nick, Coord Priefer, Gillan, Seibert, and the cover teams. They've been a big upgrade over last year, although I wish we had a threat at Punt Returner. LB's couldn't tackle last year...but everyone loves Schobert 
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The team has to play better on both sides of the ball. I'm disappointed in the offense, but I also expected some regression from Mayfield, if only because the league had film on him, not to mention the new faces at OL, WR, RB, and coaching staff. I am actually more disappointed by the defense at this point in the season. Our defense, while strong vs the pass (ranked 6th @ 219 YPG) is terrible again vs the run (ranked 30th @ 154 YPG), and is ranked 23rd overall @ 373 YPG. They are 22nd in points allowed per game @ 25.7. Our DBs, and some of our LBs, can't tackle. The only bright spots this year have been Nick Chubb and our Special Teams. Kudos to Nick, Coord Priefer, Gillan, Seibert, and the cover teams. They've been a big upgrade over last year, although I wish we had a threat at Punt Returner. LB's couldn't tackle last year...but everyone loves Schobert That is not crazy. Schobert is awesome in pass coverage. Also, if our DTs can't consume offensive linemen, it makes it much harder for a LBer because he has to shed and shield rather than just run to the football.
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The team has to play better on both sides of the ball. I'm disappointed in the offense, but I also expected some regression from Mayfield, if only because the league had film on him, not to mention the new faces at OL, WR, RB, and coaching staff. I am actually more disappointed by the defense at this point in the season. Our defense, while strong vs the pass (ranked 6th @ 219 YPG) is terrible again vs the run (ranked 30th @ 154 YPG), and is ranked 23rd overall @ 373 YPG. They are 22nd in points allowed per game @ 25.7. Our DBs, and some of our LBs, can't tackle. The only bright spots this year have been Nick Chubb and our Special Teams. Kudos to Nick, Coord Priefer, Gillan, Seibert, and the cover teams. They've been a big upgrade over last year, although I wish we had a threat at Punt Returner. I agree that I'm more disappointed in the defense. That dominance just isn't there. However, I do think they're solid, and the stats are going to be skewed somewhat with the offense not doing them any favors. They've also been (to my eyes) a defense that will trade big plays. They'll give up a couple long runs/passes, and then get a big sack or blow up a run after that. Edit(accidentally hit go): They won't become that shutdown defense until they become more consistent. That includes better tackling at each position and fewer mental miscues.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/browns-are-...-171634498.htmlBrowns are trying to help Baker Mayfield with a trade deadline acquisition Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson,Yahoo Sports 3 hours ago The Cleveland Browns apparently don’t plan on letting the NFL trade deadline pass without making a significant offensive line acquisition for quarterback Baker Mayfield. The only question is whether general manager John Dorsey can reel in the perennial Pro Bowler he has been pursuing for nearly two months, or settle for something less. Multiple league sources have told Yahoo Sports that Dorsey has spent weeks reaching out to a swath of teams about acquiring offensive line help before the deadline — including three from the NFC East: the Washington Redskins, New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles. The sources said Dorsey is concentrating his efforts on starting-caliber offensive tackles while lining up backup options if the Redskins ultimately refuse to part ways with seven-time Pro Bowler Trent Williams. With the trade deadline set at 4 p.m. ET on Oct. 29, it appears Dorsey’s preferred target is still Williams, although league sources said the Redskins have given no indication they’re trading him in spite of his refusal to report to the team. What is stopping a deal for Redskins’ Trent Williams? “Dorsey has been trying to get Williams for basically six weeks,” one league source said. “But [Redskins president] Bruce Allen just refuses to trade him. It’s all Bruce. He won’t do it.” The Browns are aggressively trying to upgrade the offensive line in front of Baker Mayfield, according to sources. The Browns are aggressively trying to upgrade the offensive line in front of Baker Mayfield, sources have told Yahoo Sports. (Getty Images) Another source said the Redskins haven’t had a meaningful dialogue with Williams’ representatives in “more than a month” — adding: “It’s to the point of being a personal thing now between Trent and Bruce. I don’t think Bruce is going to back down from it now. It might just have to play itself out because it’s not like Dan [Snyder] is going to intervene the way Shad Khan did with the [Jalen] Ramsey deal. Bruce is more likely to tell Dan what to do in this situation than the other way around.” One thing that appears certain is that Williams would be the priciest tackle on the trade market, likely requiring a first-round pick despite being 31 and seeking a top-end contract extension wherever he lands. The Browns have draft capital to offer and the salary cap space to get an extension in place. Not to mention the need, with the line in front of Mayfield badly requiring a top-caliber anchor, which Williams would certainly be. [Watch live NFL games on the Yahoo Sports app, download it here.] Other options include Giants, Eagles If Allen’s “no trade” stance doesn’t change for the Redskins, Dorsey could end up making a push for Nate Solder from the New York Giants as his second option. Dorsey and Giants general manager Dave Gettleman have the working relationship to get a deal done quickly and Solder might benefit from a fresh start in Cleveland after not living up to the lucrative deal he signed in New York. Solder would also come at a cheaper price, too. If that doesn’t come together? Option No. 3 for Dorsey would be more of a bargain move for depth and flexibility — targeting one of the Eagles’ offensive tackles. Specifically backup Halapoulivaati Vaitai, who has starting experience at tackle and also the flexibility to play guard if needed. Vaitai is in the last year of his rookie deal and has been the odd man out in an offensive tackle quartet that includes top-end starters Jason Peters and Lane Johnson, as well as rookie Andre Dillard. While our offensive woes shouldn't be pinned on the oline, I have no problem going out and upgrading, if there is an OT or RG to be had. The price has to be right, though... and if Dorsey really is beating everyone's doors down like that article would lead us to believe, that also tells me he could be willing to overpay. I don't like the sound of that one bit. The storyline of us taking a talented if misbehaving Williams off of Washington's hands sounds wonderful. With Williams still not suiting up for them, there's absolutely no reason why we should be doing them any favors, draft compensation-wise. If Bruce Allen isn't going to budge, that's still no reason for Dorsey to be going out and getting somebody...anybody. Picking up a depth guy like Vaitai wouldn't be the answer. As much as people say we don't need to go out and get a starter lineman via trade, that goes double for going out and getting depth right now. What good does it do going out and getting a guy that may or may not unseat a starter right away? If we're getting someone, it should be a clear upgrade to a current starter, and it should be for the right price.
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Talking about trades, shouldn't we be trading for a viable backup QB? That would actually be a great idea. We had Stanton earlier in the season. Having a raw rookie behind a 2nd year QB while the offense goes through an identity crisis probably isn't the best idea.
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Talking about trades, shouldn't we be trading for a viable backup QB? That would actually be a great idea. We had Stanton earlier in the season. Having a raw rookie behind a 2nd year QB while the offense goes through an identity crisis probably isn't the best idea. Garrett Gilbert is not a rookie.
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Talking about trades, shouldn't we be trading for a viable backup QB? That would actually be a great idea. We had Stanton earlier in the season. Having a raw rookie behind a 2nd year QB while the offense goes through an identity crisis probably isn't the best idea. Garrett Gilbert is not a rookie. Holy smokes, you're right. My bad, everyone! I must've gotten my wires crossed. He's the guy that was doing well in the AAFL before they shut things down.
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The team has to play better on both sides of the ball. I'm disappointed in the offense, but I also expected some regression from Mayfield, if only because the league had film on him, not to mention the new faces at OL, WR, RB, and coaching staff. I am actually more disappointed by the defense at this point in the season. Our defense, while strong vs the pass (ranked 6th @ 219 YPG) is terrible again vs the run (ranked 30th @ 154 YPG), and is ranked 23rd overall @ 373 YPG. They are 22nd in points allowed per game @ 25.7. Our DBs, and some of our LBs, can't tackle. The only bright spots this year have been Nick Chubb and our Special Teams. Kudos to Nick, Coord Priefer, Gillan, Seibert, and the cover teams. They've been a big upgrade over last year, although I wish we had a threat at Punt Returner. LB's couldn't tackle last year...but everyone loves Schobert how could you not love the guy? He's a hard worker 2017 he lead the league in tackles 2018 he was on pace to lead the league in tackles and he got hurt 2019 He is in the top 5 in the NFL for tackles He is the QB of the defense. he should be on this team for a long time.
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Can we trade for a head coach? Or maybe just get Harbaugh in here since he ain’t working out at Michigan.
We can trade for any player we can get, won’t change the fact that our scheme is a massive problem holding our team back.
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It's been done before..... The 5 Best Head Coaches Who Have Been Traded https://www.sportscasting.com/the-5-best-head-coaches-who-have-been-traded-2/But Harbaugh? Nah....
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I’d trade a 1st round pick for a veteran, proven coach ... it’s what our team sorely needs
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I'm glad you aren't the GM. It would be no different than giving up on a #1 pick at QB after less than half a season. Typical, but not that smart.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I’d trade a 1st round pick for a veteran, proven coach ... it’s what our team sorely needs I disagree with this...but what about this scenario... Brady being done with new England after this year is picking up steam. What if Belichick is done too? What if he comes home? Brings McDaniels with him. Bill is the coach until he decides he's done with McDaniels waiting in the wings. I read somewhere that the Patriots were very high on Baker during that draft.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I’d trade a 1st round pick for a veteran, proven coach ... it’s what our team sorely needs I disagree with this...but what about this scenario... Brady being done with new England after this year is picking up steam. What if Belichick is done too? What if he comes home? Brings McDaniels with him. Bill is the coach until he decides he's done with McDaniels waiting in the wings. I read somewhere that the Patriots were very high on Baker during that draft. You're living in a dream world. Except the part about Baker: "We knew the Jets at No. 3 was the bottom line," Mills said during an appearance on former NFL executive Andrew Brandt's podcast. "We had another team -- which is going to surprise you -- another team had said, 'You may get a big surprise on draft day at No. 2 if [Mayfield] is available.' It was the Patriots. They had (No.) 23 and they had (No.) 31, and they had two seconds, and I don't know. We thought, boy, that's going to be a heck of a move to get up that high from where they are. And of course, he wasn't available so we never knew if that was a reality or not."
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Seems pretty clear that Dorsey wants to do something with the OL.
We can debate holding the ball, deep drops, rankings,
whatever.
Dorsey along with the staff must feel a change is needed.
Who is trade bait on the Browns?
IMO. Callaway, Njoku, Avery, Higgins and someone from the DB's.
I am pretty sure the Browns have already traded 5th, 6th and 7th rounders. So they only have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.
I don't see trading picks from 2020. Maybe 2021.
So my guess depending upon who is available. Someone from the team is getting traded.
I think Dorsey wants to keep Callaway for the future. But if he is a deal maker for the right guy. Gone.
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We have a first, second, two thirds (one from the Duke Johnson trade if he’s active ten games, if he’s not active it’s a fourth), one sixth (we got it from the Cardinals for Jamar Taylor), and one seventh (from the Bills for Corey Coleman).
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I think Dorsey wants to keep Callaway for the future. But if he is a deal maker for the right guy. Gone.
I think Dorsey would move ANYONE for the right price. Has a grade on every player and goes by that. I don't think he gets sentimental. MAYBE Baker, but even then if some team made some crazy offer like 4 first rounders he'd do it.
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The Patriots are cleaning house this week.
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Pats are tightening their roster and adjusting to what they need like always
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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thx.
I should have looked it up.
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Bennett got into it w/the coaching staff about playing time and he complained to the media about his lack of playing time. That doesn't fly in New England.
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The team has to play better on both sides of the ball. I'm disappointed in the offense, but I also expected some regression from Mayfield, if only because the league had film on him, not to mention the new faces at OL, WR, RB, and coaching staff. I am actually more disappointed by the defense at this point in the season. Our defense, while strong vs the pass (ranked 6th @ 219 YPG) is terrible again vs the run (ranked 30th @ 154 YPG), and is ranked 23rd overall @ 373 YPG. They are 22nd in points allowed per game @ 25.7. Our DBs, and some of our LBs, can't tackle. The only bright spots this year have been Nick Chubb and our Special Teams. Kudos to Nick, Coord Priefer, Gillan, Seibert, and the cover teams. They've been a big upgrade over last year, although I wish we had a threat at Punt Returner. LB's couldn't tackle last year...but everyone loves Schobert how could you not love the guy? He's a hard worker 2017 he lead the league in tackles 2018 he was on pace to lead the league in tackles and he got hurt 2019 He is in the top 5 in the NFL for tackles He is the QB of the defense. he should be on this team for a long time. Last year a lot was made of Joe Schobert's very good pass coverage grades from Pro Football Focus (I was one of the people that touted him for that reason). This year PFF has graded him as very poor in pass coverage: I like Joe Schobert and would love to re-sign him but the above numbers are alarming.
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