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Im more pissed with the defense than I am with offense.. Yea we could score more but darn, we always seem to give up the big plays and have the WORST tackling I've seen in years. Not happy with the DC at all with some of the play calling.. Maybe thats Kitchens or Bakers fault too.

I wonder how long before Progressive pulls the Baker commercials or cut ties with him completely.

I am tired of your stale crap. Baker wasn't the problem today. Just give it up.

I am saying that respectfully.

Actually that's not what I said. I'm not blaming Baker for the defense playing poorly. I think they played poorly because they are poorly coached and largely made up of players who don't care about winning.

But I was hoping the team would show some fight today and support for their QB who took a beating in the media this week. I didn't see that.

I would also counter argue that your takes are extremely unbalanced. You don't like to assign any blame to Baker.

j/c

Postgame thoughts:
1) We should have kicked the field goal on the 4th and 1 QB sneak.
2) I think it was a bad spot on Baker's sneak, but we should have kicked a field goal.
3) If we had kicked a field goal on the 4th and 1, we could have kicked another on the final 4th down for a one point lead...especially with our kicker who was 4 for 4 today and hasn't missed this year.
4) Since we didn't kick field goals when we should have and put ourselves in a must-covert game-on-the-line 4th down, Baker should have known before the snap to throw to OBJ if he was single covered (he was).
5)Our Defense was a let down.
6) Garrett should have squeezed that int.
7) The season is basically over and Baker is worse now than he was at the end of last season.
8) Why are we completely inept in the redzone this year after being great there last year?
9) How bad in Vernon's injury?

I'm not going to give up anything Peen. Other than this board as I'm starting to lose interest in the Browns.

The guy we drafted to be the franchise QB had another chance to put the team on his shoulders and deliver a victory. One and a half seasons worth of games and he can't beat anyone of note. He failed again.

Winning is all that matters, not completion percentage through 3.5 quarters.

lmao Whitehead just melted down on twitter, I can't even repeat here what I just read. He'll be cut tomorrow morning.

J/C

You want my opinion? Nah, nobody asked for it but here you go anyway.

Baker Mayfield is a wannabe, scrub NFL QB. He's a one-read gimmick QB. He is Johnny Manziel 2.0 with a better arm (minus the alcohol abuse) - but punk-ass attitude included.

I quit REALLY caring what happened to this franchise the day they drafted Manziel. I re-affirmed my lack of caring the day we drafted Mayfield. He is a bust.

Last year he played really well. Well beyond what I ever thought he could. But - he had an offense that was REALLY dumbed down for him and he was playing with zero pressure since the season was over before he took the field. People drank the kool-aid. I didn't. This year he's been exposed for what he really is.

Lord Dorsey, king of the cud chewers and God who can do no wrong, drafted him. Oops.

Freddie Kitchens can't coach his way out of a paper bag. He deserves to be fired tonight. Before the plane lands. He won't be.

Lord Dorsey, king of the cud chewers and God who can do no wrong, hired him. Oops.

OBJ is an incredible WR. He's also an insane prima donna who cares more about his shoes and watches than winning games as long as he gets his highlight catches. Wide receiver is also possibly the LEAST important/impactful position on the football field except for long snapper. Literally. It doesn't matter how good or bad you are - the only way you're successful is if a) the OLine blocks well AND b) the coach schemes a good route tree and progression AND c) the QB can read the D and find the correct place to throw the football. If a through c don't happen, you can put a blind squirrel or Jerry Rice at WR and it doesn't matter. THIS is why you never ever EVER build your O around WR's or pay them big $$$. Yes, to be fair, our WR corps was horrible under Sashi and needed upgraded. To be fair, you have to have guys who are physically athletic enough to play WR in the NFL (i.e. run routes and get a step on guys) - but that's not hard to find. You also have to have guys with good enough hands to catch the football. This is slightly harder to find - but you can have a winning team with a bunch of "C" WR's. You don't have to have a bunch of "A" all-pro
type guys. Give me guys who can catch and block with enough athleticism and work hard/are smart to read D - and you'll have a winning WR corps.

Lord Dorsey, king of the cud chewers and God who can do no wrong, traded for OBJ. We didn't NEED him. Oops.

The REAL problem is, we have a joke of an owner in Jimmah Haslam who couldn't run a football team or hire a proper front office if given 100 lifetimes. And he hired Lord Dorsey, king of the cud chewers and God who can do no wrong.

Let's start with firing Dorsey.

It will never happen.

This team will continue to be a steaming pile. Rinse and repeat.

A real FO realizes that the NFL comes down to this. A coach and QB. We have neither, but the bigger problem is our FO (IMO) doesn't realize it. But...nobody dares question Lord Dorsey.

Have fun guys.

What are you talking about?? If it were not for this board you would have absolutely NO LIFE since you are on here 24-7.

Gotta cut Whitehead asap please

I disagree with you here. I think you and KOB want Baker to fail. I actually think you guys take great joy in it.

You wrote a paragraph siting Baker and the defense and how they would respond and play for him.... Your implication, inference, taint is 100% connecting Baker and augg sting that somehow the D's play is connected to Baker.

You can't write that sentence and then feign you didn't connect the two things.

I agree with Eve, Baker is not the complete problem, does he have issues, yes, but Eve is also right to say that coaching is a BIG part of those issues.

Dorsey is one of the better talent finders we've had, just needs to find better coaching and not trade away good OL, like Zeitler. We need to find LT and RT. That's two thing s that will help a lot.

The defense could also benefit from proper coaching, specifically, how to tackle.

I really don't know what to say......I thought the Browns were "meh". Nothing overwhelmingly bad, nothing overwhelming good.

- Mack Wilson flashed at times.
- Ogunjobi flashed at times.
- Myles Garrett was around the ball, I guess.
- Beckham & Landry dropped passes. The shoe situation is a joke.
- Schobert was consistently good, even forcing a fumble.
- I thought the line was very good at times, other times, not so much.
- Hubbard is a joke.
- Whitehead is bad and then made a racial slur against a media member. I'm guessing he is cut.
- Baker wasn't bad, but not great either.
- Chubb is the workhorse and I'm glad we have him.


Bottom line, I think this team might have checked out for season. Today's game didn't really present any glaring issues to me, but it didn't really rectify anything either, outside perhaps the penalties.

I think the season is over. Thank goodness we didn't trade any significant picks before the deadline.

Whitehead has lost what little mind he had.

If he isn't, it speaks even MORE about how completely in over his head and unable to control the team Freddie is.

If Whitehead isn't cut tomorrow, Freddie better be (well he should be anyway) - but you can't have practice squad players who just missed 18 tackles and lost your team a game out there acting like juvenile delinquents from the hood and levying multiple death threats via social media from the locker room without consequences.

Oh thats rich

Freddie isn't in control of the roster.

Even berry at 25% would be better than any safety on this tea

It’s off the rails at this point ... we need a complete 180

I think that would be more in Dorseys realm.

Team had no heart today. Also, where was the intensity?

That's hilarious

Yup. That completely falls on Dorsey.

I think they should have kept zampese this year. He’ll they should hire him tomorrow

j/c:

Something has to change between now and next Sunday. Not sure what it is, but I think it is imminent.

#FreeToddMonken.

This is something that is going to have to be an offseason shift IMO ... we need a complete overhaul of the coaching staff and we need Baker to STUDY, LEARN, PRACTICE all offseason ... and do it like a pro

Technically you're correct Lord Dorsey owns the roster. But I'm sorry, the coach runs the team. If "I" were Freddie (and thank the lord I'm not) I'd personally cut him anyway and tell Dorsey to sign the documents to make it "official".

But alas it's Lord Dorsey's call. Which means Whitehead is fine. Dorsey loves those guys.

Just think - we get Kareem Hunt back tomorrow!

I don't think Beckham is immune from this approach either.

Nope, instead we'll lose to a pretty good Bills team and a Steelers team after that which is trending upward. We'll maybe win a game against the Dolphins (who are playing more inspired football than us right now) and probably beat the Bengals twice. That's most likely it. So we finish 5-11. Sad, pathetic and embarassing.

Look.. If that really was Whitehead, then the Browns should suspend him a game. BUT you better make sure you have a safety to replace him.

Second, if he had a broken hand, WTF was he doing out there?? After that first miff, it was apparent that he was not trying to use his hands. So if he had a broken hand, then it should have been wrapped OR dont play him.

This is a really lazy straw man argument, FWMHOIW.

- New week. Same story. Another loss.

- Nick Chubb not in on 3rd and short as well as 4th and 1 in a critical situation.

- Tackling was putrid

- Baker cannot put it in the end zone inside the red zone to save his life.

- Poor coaching. Poor preparedness. Another week of "a great practice."

- A QB that has never taken a snap in the regular season just beat this "talented" team.

- It did not cost us the game, but we got Landry and OBJ concerning themselves with wearing customized cleats and getting called on it. Just speaks to the culture in Cleveland and how far this team really is from competing with the big boys.

- KC wining w/ a guy that was coaching a HS team, Pittsburgh winning with a back-up and third stringer and we cannot win a game the #1 overall pick in the draft.

- I have know idea what the hell Ryan Lindley does and what his qualifications are other than Baker likes him, but he's does nothing to fix Baker's issues this season. Get him out.

- This team has serious issues. The culture, lack of team chemistry and leadership is blatantly apparent.

- This team smelled itself all offseason and thought they could just show up and win.

- Good grief, I cannot believe this is where we are at....again.

2-6 was just about the WORST case scenario heading into the season. You’d be hard pressed to find many people who thought we’d be THIS bad.

Your'e sure we finish that well??....Try 2-14.

Sooo ... the ravens are kicking the crap out of NE

Have you been chain watching The Replacements again? "Miles and miles of heart."

We don't have it. have a fair number of lazy folks, and a good amount of quit. BELIEVEland? Not so much today. Hubbard? Robinson?

Purge. Exorcism? "Don't fix blame; fix problems.

I will say, for the hundredth time, I was very concerned with how Freddie handled the preseason, but said I would shut up about it because he deserved the chance to show if that arrogant and unconventional stance was indeed going to be successful. Well, that blew up in his face. It isn’t just that, though, as we all know. When you are a poor decision maker it goes on and on, and he has continued to show very bad decision making throughout the season.

I have never been someone to call for the firing of a coach this early in the season and this early in a career. But, I have no faith in this man or his ability to grow or change.

I am also very concerned about Mayfield. Maybe it’s on coaching, but he’s completely lost.