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Jarvis Landry
13 targets
6 receptions
51 yards
8.5 yd avg.
1 TD (first of the season)

This is not efficient for a guy making $14M a year and guaranteed $47M.

Yes, I understand Baker is a factor in this box score as well, but today's game is not an outlier.

Not good.

What we are watching with Balt vs NE is a team that is running a college offense, tailored for his QB. Also, that same team will just line up and run it down your throat!!

Playing inspired football, doing there jobs, nothing Cleveland has done for this year... maybe once!!..

The Browns are going to " Brown " Baker ( think Couch )

You're pushing an agenda here. Landry is one of the only guys that plays with any heart on this team. So let's trash him about his contract. Dumb.

I noticed how inefficient we are throwing to our WRs as well ... just not productive at all

Does anyone think about how Baker spread the ball around all the different Receivers we used last season .. our efficiency in the Red Zone in the second half of the season ??

That's fair.

I knocked the contract the minute it was signed. But I have yet to be proven wrong on how bad of a deal that was. I don't blame Landry for signing it, but that doesn't make it a good deal.

And "heart" is perception only. I don't see it, and it's clearly not making an impact on the team.

Lamp, that spot should have been challenged and it should have been overturned. Baker was across the first down mark and then pushed back. They spotted the ball where he was shoved backward. Apparently forward progress does not apply to us.

We suck worse, we have more talent and play just as bad.

Turning point of this franchise was firing pettine and keeping farmer over Shanahan. Been down hill since

I completely agree with ou, Jules. I didn't notice much about him in preseason, guess I was excited to see the new young team and all that. lol However, after seeing the Browns week inand week out, I've noticed his bad decisions more and more, seems to be getting worse, plus, I'm not sure how motivational of a person/coach h is? The team sure doesn't respond to him like they did GW last season. I've often thought, a so called "players" coach will be that way, need a HC who can and will kick these guys in the ass and get the best out of them.

I actually wanted GW to reamin as HC and Freddie to be OC but that didn't work out. Unfortunately, I think more changes are on the way.

Well, on a bright note the bandwagon fans are leaving in droves!

Stop panicking!!!
Doesn't everyone know the following:

Kitchens is the next Vince Lombardi
Baker is the next Dan Marino
Whitehead is the next Ronnie Lott
Greg Robinson will turn into Joe Thomas.


See no need to get mad.

j/c:

It’s really odd when someone locks on to such a strange obsession with a player and their contract when there are so many other strikingly obvious reasons this team is failing. People see right through someone who can’t give up on a tired old argument. Give it up, and come up with something fresh.

Someone liked the Landry signing.

And if you don't see how these types of bad contracts for overrated players are affecting this team, well.......there really isn't a need for something fresh. Accept it and deal with it.

From a good read: “...The Steelers won for the fourth time without Ben Roethlisberger Sunday, yet the Browns can’t win with their premiere talent.

Why?

It comes down to coaching, culture and discipline.

The Browns remain deficient in all 3 areas.

Kitchens, who was handed a goldmine of talent in his first stint ever at any level as a head coach, doesn’t know how to use it.”

https://923thefan.radio.com/articles/cleveland-browns-season-jeopardy-denver-broncos-loss

It's astounding to me how much time is taken up talking about cleats from this team.

Cleats.

We have plenty of cap room, so Landry's contract isn't killing us. As far as production, Landry is one of the only guys that's actually doing something, playing with heart, and trying to live up to his contract. As far as the problems this team is having, that's ranked near the bottom.

They killing baker right now

Baker Mayfield looked extremely defeated after Broncos loss, and Twitter had jokes

https://sports.yahoo.com/cleveland-brown...-021137067.html

I bet I know who gets cut!!!

Would it have really made any difference in this game?

He looks like 'Columbo'!

Can't be the team falling behind every game, and expecting to win.

This team waits around too much.

I really want to give Freddie a fair chance because he's 8 games into this, but I don't understand the hire. You showed signs of being very good, and your choice was the guy who took over OC the last half of the year? It's hindsight, but it's a bad hire.

Whoever's call that was, whether it was Dorsey or the Haslams, either way this thing blew up in their faces.

The defense wasn't good enough, and the offense still doesn't get it. This seems no different than the last 10 years.

Who are we kidding, Freddie is probably getting shown the door at the end of the year, I can't see them being able to sell that to anyone (including themselves) so I just hope that behind the scenes, the plan is in place to actually bring in the right guy, because this team badly needs someone that can handle a 53 man roster and a coaching staff. It's not for everyone, I don't even know if there are 32 guys in the world capable of handling the demand. There's a handful of really good coaches, and the rest are your Freddie Kitchens and Pat Shurmurs of the world.

we see it too much with other teams having early success, but it is never us. They should be a lot better than they are. This roster is far from perfect but it's better than 2-6.

I really hope there are no stupid slogans and catch phrases with the next guy, because I think the fans have had enough of that. Just come in and change the culture, and help produce results.

You can call on 'heart' all you'd like.

We're nearing on two years of not living up to the expectations, contract or production.

A rudderless ship
twisting in the storm
dark starless sky
lost

I'm j/c here, but I think too many underestimate coaching on this board.

There's like 2 guys blaming Baker, 1 guy blaming Landry's contract, and most people blaming Freddie.

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Dear Baker,

Please shave it off.

The Chester The Child Molester Mustache is not a good look.

Go back to the close beard thing. At least you looked trendy then. And not like a 70's porn star.

Sincerely,
EveDawg

Looks like a thin John Candy in (insert any of his movies here)

Here we go......

First the clown shoes and now this.
Maybe he should go threaten to murder someone and he can have his way out also.

I don't blame him feeling that way, but this was something overheard...not him going to the media to say it. But if he did I wouldn't blame him.

Baker didn't even make it in his progression to Odell on that play.

Not sure if this is good or bad, but he was targeted 6 times. He was behind Landry (13 targets) for second on the team.

lmao, I thought something similar, I wouldn't normally give a dam but that stache does not look good.

Fredddie: We're just trying to concentrate on winning a game.

Yep, and that Attention Deficit Disorder is sure kicking in with the team, cause concentration seems to be lacking.

My point is that there are many who have already declared Mayfield a bust. Quite frankly I'm tired of hearing "he missed his read," "he's a one read QB" as if everyone knows those reads. He read the field last year whether it was half, a third, a quarter, or the whole thing and he threw 27 touchdowns. Other than subtracting an offensive guard and adding a stud WR, what's different?

And that's a rhetorical question.

device...coaching has been terrible, no doubt. However, there is also no doubting that it looks like Baker is in a sophomore slump. It's on him to pull himself out of it. So far, in 8/16 games played, we have yet to see him do so.