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Baker is having Peyton Mannings rookie season this year instead of last. It doesn't mean he's a bust, lots of quarterbacks go through a serious sophomore slump. Team have film and an entire offseason to make adjustments. I will be worried if he is still having these problems next year. Right now, we should be countering with our RUN GAME. Just buckle down and pound the rock. Go old school. Eat clock. Keep the D off the field as much as possible and maybe they will get it together. No one is talking about how bad the D has played lately. The TRUTH is we should have kept Greg Williams as the HC and kept all the other assistants in place. We were playing good ball last year and it was a mistake to mess with that. BUt it is what it is. Can't go back, have to go forward. So play old school smash mouth football and get these guys fired up to go hit someone in the mouth! Next week we get one of the best backs in the league back from suspension to go with Nick Chubb another one of the best backs in the league. USE THEM early and often. Not like we are winning anyway. So why not just pound the rock and eat the clock? Keep the D fresh as is possible. When teams start putting 8 in the box, THEN throw from under center and use the damn playaction!
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I'm not saying he's not. But the amount of people who are giving up on him is a bit ridiculous.
He threw 27 touchdowns last year. Busts don't throw 27 touchdowns in a season. Ever.
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I'm not saying he's not. But the amount of people who are giving up on him is a bit ridiculous.
He threw 27 touchdowns last year. Busts don't throw 27 touchdowns in a season. Ever. I'm the biggest Baker fan there is but a no name QB named Derek Anderson threw 29 TD passes in his second season in 2007.
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Basically we are worse the first 8 games under freddie with more talent than we wee under hue with less talent.
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Here we go......
First the clown shoes and now this.
Maybe he should go threaten to murder someone and he can have his way out also.
OBJ denied that he said this. He was very level headed in his post game media availability.
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Cleveland Browns lost for lots of reasons today. The very biggest of them all is putrid, horrible coaching.
You want to make the loss about Baker - suit yourself. Flipping it to "well he didn't win the game" is B.S. .... but have at it with your agenda. We had some blunders and errors.... but in the end, we lost for one glaring reason... we had the ball inside their 30 yard line 7 times and got 1 TD and 4 FGs... Baker was money in the red zone last year... I don't know how to explain it.
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I don't get the fact that Higgins has been locked to the sidelines. I hate this idea of "Oh, we didn't play this player because he's not part of that package". Put players on the field who can make plays.
We played this Hodge kid a fair amount today ..... but hardly a sign of Higgins. Why?
I have to question why a bogged down offense is not looking to a guy who was a consistent and reliable target last year. I just don't get it.
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The worst thing that happened to Mayfield was him breaking Manning's record last year
It went to his head and Mayfield was believing his own hype.
He thought he arrived as a QB.
Mayfields regression on the field is in concert
With his lack of work ethic and preperation in the Off season
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I'm not saying he's not. But the amount of people who are giving up on him is a bit ridiculous.
He threw 27 touchdowns last year. Busts don't throw 27 touchdowns in a season. Ever. That's just factually inaccurate. Babe Parilli (31 TD - 1964), career QBR 59.6 George Blanda (36-1961, 27-1962), career QBR 60.6 Norm Snead (29-1967), career QBR 65.5 John Hadl (27-1968), career QBR 67.4 Charley Johnson (28-1963), career 69.2 Steve Grogan (28-1979), career 69.6 Vince Ferragamo (30-1980), career 70.1 Derek Anderson (29-2007), career 70.4 Lynn Dickey (32-1983), career 70.9 Terry Bradshaw (28-1978), career 70.9 John Brodie (30-1965), career 72.3 Ron Jaworski (27-1980), career 72.8 Daryle Lamonica (34-1969, 30-1967), career 72.9 Don Majkowski (27-1989), career 72.9 Frankie Albert (29-1948, 27-1949), career 73.5 Y.A. Tittle (36-1963, 33-1962), career 74.3 Jake Plummer (27-2004), career 74.6 Brian Sipe (30-1980, 28-1979), career 74.8 Vinny Testaverde (33-1996, 29-1998), career 75.0 Sid Luckman (28-1943), career 75.0 Scott Mitchell (32-1995), career 75.3 Ken Stabler (27-1976), career 75.3 Steve Bartkowski (31-1980, 30-1981), career 75.4 Erik Kramer (29-1995), career 76.6 Drew Bledsoe (28-1997, 27-1996), career 77.1 Joe Theismann (29-1983), career 77.4 Frank Ryan (29-1966), career 77.6 Josh Freeman (27-2012), career 77.6 Jeff Blake (28-1995), career 78.0 Johnny Unitas (32-1959), career 78.2 Aaron Brooks (27-2002), career 78.5 Matt Cassel (27-2010), career 78.5 Jim Everett (31-1988, 29-1989), career 78.6 Mark Rypien (28-1991), career 78.9 Elvis Grbac (28-2000), career 79.6 John Elway (27-1997), career 79.9 Dan Fouts (33-1981, 30-1980, 27-1985), career 80.2 Steve Beuerlein (36-1999), career 80.3 Fran Tarkenton (29-1967), career 80.4 Jeff George (29-1997), career 80.4 Blake Bortles (35-2015), career 80.6 Ryan Fitzpatrick (31-2015), career 80.7 Warren Moon (33-1990, 33-1995), career 80.9 Boomer Esiason (28-1988, 28-1989, 27-1985), career 81.1 Jake Delhomme (29-2004), career 81.3 Dave Krieg (32-1984, 27-1985), career 81.5 Randall Cunningham (34-1998, 30-1990), career 81.5 Danny White (29-1983, 28-1980), career 81.7 Ken Anderson (29-1981), career 81.9 Matt Hasselbeck (28-2007), career 82.4 Those are all those below the average QBR of 82.5 The average QBR of any season a QB threw 27+ TD was 87.7
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Looks like a thin John Candy in (insert any of his movies here)
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Knee jerk reaction say Kitchens must go.
The turnstile carousel coaching of Cleveland Browns, inherently leads you to a preconceived notion of what you think should happen.
Too many penalties, potential not being taken advantage of.
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I'm not saying he's not. But the amount of people who are giving up on him is a bit ridiculous.
He threw 27 touchdowns last year. Busts don't throw 27 touchdowns in a season. Ever. That's just factually inaccurate. Babe Parilli (31 TD - 1964), career QBR 59.6 George Blanda (36-1961, 27-1962), career QBR 60.6 Norm Snead (29-1967), career QBR 65.5 John Hadl (27-1968), career QBR 67.4 Charley Johnson (28-1963), career 69.2 Steve Grogan (28-1979), career 69.6 Vince Ferragamo (30-1980), career 70.1 Derek Anderson (29-2007), career 70.4 Lynn Dickey (32-1983), career 70.9 Terry Bradshaw (28-1978), career 70.9 John Brodie (30-1965), career 72.3 Ron Jaworski (27-1980), career 72.8 Daryle Lamonica (34-1969, 30-1967), career 72.9 Don Majkowski (27-1989), career 72.9 Frankie Albert (29-1948, 27-1949), career 73.5 Y.A. Tittle (36-1963, 33-1962), career 74.3 Jake Plummer (27-2004), career 74.6 Brian Sipe (30-1980, 28-1979), career 74.8 Vinny Testaverde (33-1996, 29-1998), career 75.0 Sid Luckman (28-1943), career 75.0 Scott Mitchell (32-1995), career 75.3 Ken Stabler (27-1976), career 75.3 Steve Bartkowski (31-1980, 30-1981), career 75.4 Erik Kramer (29-1995), career 76.6 Drew Bledsoe (28-1997, 27-1996), career 77.1 Joe Theismann (29-1983), career 77.4 Frank Ryan (29-1966), career 77.6 Josh Freeman (27-2012), career 77.6 Jeff Blake (28-1995), career 78.0 Johnny Unitas (32-1959), career 78.2 Aaron Brooks (27-2002), career 78.5 Matt Cassel (27-2010), career 78.5 Jim Everett (31-1988, 29-1989), career 78.6 Mark Rypien (28-1991), career 78.9 Elvis Grbac (28-2000), career 79.6 John Elway (27-1997), career 79.9 Dan Fouts (33-1981, 30-1980, 27-1985), career 80.2 Steve Beuerlein (36-1999), career 80.3 Fran Tarkenton (29-1967), career 80.4 Jeff George (29-1997), career 80.4 Blake Bortles (35-2015), career 80.6 Ryan Fitzpatrick (31-2015), career 80.7 Warren Moon (33-1990, 33-1995), career 80.9 Boomer Esiason (28-1988, 28-1989, 27-1985), career 81.1 Jake Delhomme (29-2004), career 81.3 Dave Krieg (32-1984, 27-1985), career 81.5 Randall Cunningham (34-1998, 30-1990), career 81.5 Danny White (29-1983, 28-1980), career 81.7 Ken Anderson (29-1981), career 81.9 Matt Hasselbeck (28-2007), career 82.4 Those are all those below the average QBR of 82.5 The average QBR of any season a QB threw 27+ TD was 87.7 We have a different definition of "bust."
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My thoughts, We will not catch the Ravens even if we win out which isn't remotely going to happen. We will be lucky if Cinci doesn't somehow beat us twice. I love the Baker Mayfield from last year, but the current Baker should ride pine until his head is straight. I didn't like Freddie for HC, but I wanted to give him a fair shot and lately even defended him because he's a rookie HC. That's over and I hope they fire him sooner rather than later.
Wilks and Monken should be gone after the season, clean slate for next year. Give Dorsey another attempt to get a coach that he will live or die with. All this talent, the fans deserve more. Our scrubs played harder than the divas and 'talent'.
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Mayfields regression on the field is in concert
With his lack of work ethic and preperation in the Off season
You might have been onto something until you said this. "Lack of work ethic?" Smh And... We're all focused on Baker, but.... The Broncos scored 24 points with a quarterback who wasn't even on their roster until September. In another thread, my predicted score was 20-0, Browns. I have no idea how we allowed Denver to score 24 points, one of the worst offenses in the NFL...led by a quarterback who had never thrown a pass in the NFL...yet here we are harping on Baker not being the guy. Trust me, there are a lot bigger problems going on here than Baker Mayfield.
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Mayfields regression on the field is in concert
With his lack of work ethic and preperation in the Off season
You might have been onto something until you said this. "Lack of work ethic?" Smh And... We're all focused on Baker, but.... The Broncos scored 24 points with a quarterback who wasn't even on their roster until September. In another thread, my predicted score was 20-0, Browns. I have no idea how we allowed Denver to score 24 points, one of the worst offenses in the NFL...led by a quarterback who had never thrown a pass in the NFL...yet here we are harping on Baker not being the guy. Trust me, there are a lot bigger problems going on here than Baker Mayfield. We dont blitz much. Bringing 4 isnt very creative and isnt going to stop anybody. Denver has a noob QB and we didnt even try to rattle him. Unforgivable. Thats how you lose games. This team is mismanaged on both sides of the ball.
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Checking some breakdowns of the final offensive play this morning ... Landry ran it too deep, Baker hesitated (and he did look at OBJ but didn’t throw it) ... and Baker was way late, cuz Landry was open
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are you saying Johnny Unitas was a bust??
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I kept thinking this too: the ONE time I remember a double A gap blitz their QB folded like a cheap suit.
And we just never seemed to blitz/confuse him at all, at least not as much as OTHER teams do to US
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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are you saying Johnny Unitas was a bust?? I guess he is .. as well as Y. A. Tittle, Lamonica, Jaworski, Stabler, Theisman, Elway, Fouts, Tarkenton, Esaison, Danny White, Ken Anderson, Hadl, Brodie, Bradshaw, and the Browns' last Championship QB Frank Ryan. I guess none of them ever won anything .. even the ones who are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
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Looks like a live action Randy Marsh from South Park...
This guy looks beaten up, defeated and shell shocked. He should try concentrating on football and not commercials or media conflict.
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Haha he does look like John Candy in Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Denver has a noob QB and we didnt even try to rattle him. Unforgivable. T
This blows my mind. Flacco was running for his life and got injured with this horrible OL, and we made the 1st timer look good.
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Denver has a noob QB and we didnt even try to rattle him. Unforgivable. T
This blows my mind. Flacco was running for his life and got injured with this horrible OL, and we made the 1st timer look good. It’s so confusing that we couldnt disrupt him, hurry him, and confuse him any more than we did. Their OL, which has been destroyed all year, was stonewalling our front 4
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Denver has a noob QB and we didnt even try to rattle him. Unforgivable. T
This blows my mind. Flacco was running for his life and got injured with this horrible OL, and we made the 1st timer look good. It’s so confusing that we couldnt disrupt him, hurry him, and confuse him any more than we did. Their OL, which has been destroyed all year, was stonewalling our front 4 Don't get me wrong... There's a whole lot to be disappointed about with this team. But for me, this is tops. Our vaunted Dline couldn't rattle that QB playing behind that line!? And then the safety trying to shoulder check a TE that has roughly a thousand pounds on him is unforgivable. 57 put on a poor tackling clinic as well.
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I’m actually only really upset that Whitehead is still on the roster. After him threatening to kill fans and a reporter, talking about shooting, and using racial slurs the guy should have been cut last night.
The Browns day they are gong to handle this “internally” give me a break! No leadership, no structure, no discipline. We are a joke.
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Yeah Adarius Thomas was not much better ... I’ve seen about enough of him on the field on defense as well
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Denver has a noob QB and we didnt even try to rattle him. Unforgivable. T
This blows my mind. Flacco was running for his life and got injured with this horrible OL, and we made the 1st timer look good. - Our upgraded D-line is putrid
- The Donks O-line really hates Flacco
- All of the above
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Has Kitchens resigned yet?
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The TRUTH is we should have kept Greg Williams as the HC and kept all the other assistants in place. We were playing good ball last year and it was a mistake to mess with that. BUt it is what it is. Can't go back... Agreed. I didn't like the coaching changes at the time and feel the same now. How do we promote a RB coach to HC in half a season? Any examples out there? I like Freddie and really hope he (we) succeed. Can we go back...certainly we can.
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- The team has quit on Kitchens, and this coaching staff. I said before that I was seeing signs of that in the tackling, and it continued even more so yesterday.
- Chubb is the best player on this team, and we do anything we can to take him out of the game in key moments.
- Baker stinks. I have been trying to get him the benefit of the doubt, but he misses over and over and over again open receivers. He has absolutely 0 touch on the ball. Every ball he throws is 100mph and 2 feet to high.
- The defense has been horrible. I cant recall ever seeing so many 50+ yard plays in a season.
- Our Oline stinks. Guys were getting mauled yesterday (and this isn't an excuse for Baker - he stinks too).
- Myles was a mouse yesterday. You wanna be DPOY, you make a play to win a game. He has not changed a single game this year if I can remember.
Outside of Chubb, there is not a single player on this team that has improved from last year. NOT A SINGLE PLAYER.
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Last year Baker’s ball seemed to be more accurate and he seemed way more decisive. This year it’s the opposite
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Last year Baker’s ball seemed to be more accurate and he seemed way more decisive. This year it’s the opposite His confidence is shaken and he seems to be second guessing him himself on nearly every pass.
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I’m actually only really upset that Whitehead is still on the roster. After him threatening to kill fans and a reporter, talking about shooting, and using racial slurs the guy should have been cut last night.
The Browns day they are gong to handle this “internally” give me a break! No leadership, no structure, no discipline. We are a joke. Part of the Browns culture. He should've been released immediately afterwards. Also, why is he checking twitter account immediately after a huge loss and before he's even out of uniform? Chad Thomas. I'd cut him, too, for encouraging Whitehead. Total clown show.
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My turn!
I’m no longer dedicating 3hrs a week to watching this mess. I’ll DVR it and maybe FFW thru it if it sounds like it was a good game. The Browns ARE the easy team to beat. I said it last week. There is not a single game IMO left on the schedule that anyone can reasonably say we will beat.
Baker isn’t doing well but I think most of that is probably coaching. If Freddie is so piss poor at managing the game, why should I believe he’s any good at developing his QB?
Baker has zero chemistry with the skill players. The one guy who he did supposedly have chemistry with is Higgins, but Higgins barely sees the field. Why is that? I think it’s because of FK’s pompous ego. He clearly doesn’t like his decisions being questioned or having to explain himself. I think he’s not playing Higgins more out of spite, that if he were it would somehow undercut his authority.
It’s the same thing about the several weeks worth of questions about cleaning up the penalties. We find out third weekend that he called the Tuna for advice. That part I’m fine with. But I’m not fine with the apparent fact FK didn’t seriously address the issue until this last week!
4 down territory and Chubb isn’t in the game. Ridiculous. 2 and 3 pass plays without playaction. Barely any play action all game. And when we do start to get some success, we try some BS trick plays?
Are the cleats themselves a big issue? No. But they are indicative of a larger more serious issue.
It’s too late in the season for FK to get control over this team. They don’t respect his authority and they never did.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things."
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-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
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I am just so sick of the ineptitude, the missed tackles, the overthrown/underthrown passes, the ridiculous play calls, the ineffective pass rushes, seeing our star running back on the sideline in short yardage situations, the drops, the penalties, the poor coaching decisions, the off-field drama, the on-field lack of passion and execution, the mishandled clock management, the fluke turnovers, the helmet tosses and losses that have names that go down in history, the record setting awfulness, the fumbling, bumbling, stumbling and the whatever the hell it is this time that's going to ensure another loss and our perennial place at the bottom of the division and as the constant butt of a joke of an NFL team.
I sat screaming at the TV the entire game scaring my dog and irritating my wife, and by the end of the 1st quarter knew we were no better playing a 2-6 team than we were playing two undefeated teams. I am just so sick of it all and there's not an f-ing thing I or anyone here can do to stop it, and I have to wonder if there's anyone in the world capable of turning it around. So say we do fire Freddie, who in the hell wants to come to this $#!% show where we kill QBs and ruin coaching careers as they are mocked and laughed at or derided out of their chosen professions? They would either be fools or just another inept notch on the gun of career suicide.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Forums The Archives 2019 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 19 Broncos
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