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What is the objective here? I really don't see a happy ending coming out of this. Releasing Bell from jail isn't going to solve anything. This town seem to have a lot of racial tension. It has probably been that way for decades. On CNN today I saw some kids driving a pickup with nooses hanging from the back. I saw a white supremest from the area made a website with the home addresses of the jena6, saying they should be killed. IMO, no matter the outcome of the Jena 6, there will still be racial issues in the town. Were things pretty peaceful before any of this went down? From what I read, it wasn't.
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Not replying to anyone in general, since i have been following this on my own and havnt even opened this topic until now. But I just found out that the defenseless white kid that was beat up, had nothing to do with hanging the nooses. I knew he had nothing to do with the nooses, but what I didnt know was that the nooses were hung in the tree 3 months prior to this kid getting beat up. The nooses are being brought up for the sole reason to play the race card.
Im all for the civil rights movement, but this is not the battle of the ages that the civil rights should be so involved in. I see alot of African-Americans saying they are doing this because they werent around for the civil rights movement in the 60's and now they want to be involved. Thats the wrong reason to rally. Someone was severly beaten. Think about the victems, not the criminals.
Even if the kid did hang the nooses, or was spouting off at the mouth, he did not deserve this. Nobody does. You have to be the bigger person and show self restraint and move on. The law is the law and if you take the law into your own hands you pay the price. the young man who is still in custody has already had 2 previose assaults.
Regardless of color, nobody should be beat up the way this kid did. Sharpton is showing a complete disrespect to this young man and his family.
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"...Some of you people are just truly unbelievable.
You'll defend injustice to the death, just because there's race involved. Damn the fact that black people NEVER brought race into this...IT WAS ALREADY THERE.
But you all continue to live your "it's 2007" bubble. Bury your head in the sand because it doesn't affect you."
YOU PEOPLE YOU PEOPLE ...YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, yes! Often referred to as code that white people use when describing black people in a non favorable light.
The twist is here a black man is using the term about white people...funny isn't it?
In the year 2007 when crime against blacks is almost exclusively commited by other blacks we must keep the ignorant white racist's actions in the headlines.
The failure of the family unit, most specifically the absence of black men in homes with black children, is the most demoralizing, depressing aspect of urban life today.
Hopefully after the protests in Jena, La. the Rev. Al and Jesse can take time out of their ambulance chasing to address the "fatherless family" problem affecting 2 out of 3 black children and 1 out of 4 white kids.
it would appear that many black kids don't have to wait for a white guy to damage their chances for success since the absent father already gave them 2 strikes.
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i'm just seeing this thread and haven't read all the posts so forgive me if this has been discussed. now i don't agree with the attempted murder charges which i hear have been reduced. but has anyone mentioned hate crime ? i mean, if it were 6 white kids who did this to a black kid, they would take on hate crime charges to make the penalty more severe. i specifically don't agree with hate crime legislation since i feel all crime, regardless of reason for committing it, is a "hate" crime. but if they use it shouldn't it be used for everyone ?
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I haven't read every post here, and only know a little about this issue.
It should have been stopped long before this point, and if some white kids beat up a black kid and the law did nothing(I don't know if this happened, just saying), then shame on them, and the feds should be all over that law enforcement office and in the same light, the black kids beating up the white kid should be charged with assault. Attempted murder is a little much to prove, especially if he was alive when they left, and he survived.
Truth is, prejudice and racism still exist, and what makes this sad is that our children are the best chance of bringing racism to non-existence, and this shows that we are are still far from it. Adults are set in their ways, and may hide or control their racism, but it's still there, but it's the children who don't see color when choosing friends that will bring racism to an end, but it will take many generations to fully develop.
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Plenty of people have been discriminated against. Women couldn't vote in this country at one time. I'm not still crying about it.
Bad comparison Jules...There's not nooses hanging or crosses burning in your front yard today because you are a White woman or that you can vote now... 
Sorry, discrimination is discrimination. It's very simple.
People have been hurt and killed due to their color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Nobody has cornered the market on evil.
Believe me, I understand being discriminated against and hated for who I am, I don't need lessons from you on that.
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Hopefully after the protests in Jena, La. the Rev. Al and Jesse can take time out of their ambulance chasing to address the "fatherless family" problem affecting 2 out of 3 black children and 1 out of 4 white kids.
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Is that Prov? THEE Prov? The one from Cleveland via Rhode Island and back to Cleveland?
It's the same Prov that I had the pleasure of talking to at DTI
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Plenty of people have been discriminated against. Women couldn't vote in this country at one time. I'm not still crying about it.
Bad comparison Jules...There's not nooses hanging or crosses burning in your front yard today because you are a White woman or that you can vote now...
Sorry, discrimination is discrimination. It's very simple.
People have been hurt and killed due to their color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Nobody has cornered the market on evil.
Believe me, I understand being discriminated against and hated for who I am, I don't need lessons from you on that.
Jules, but the discrimination and the reprocussions that women took back in the day from men were a little bit different than the reprocussions that women and men took and are taking now for the color of their skin. If I looked at a White woman the wrong way back in the day, I would be shot or hanging from a tree. If you were a woman who stated her rights to vote back in the day, would you be shot or hanging from a tree? Who says that the discrimination in this case for African American's is a cornered market? I didn't say that or did the other people that are trying to explain best what may be happening here in this case. Talk to me about discrimination in ANY form and I would think it's evil. Your example is, of course discrimination, but it's apples and oranges to what we talking about. The example you are talking about has been over with for some time now, "no need to cry about it", but there are women still being discriminated in the workplace today. The Wal-Mart promotion case is an example. The fight with discimination that is being talked about in this topic is still happening and happens all the time whether people want to believe it or not, but with very extreme measures. Your statement seemed so blase...
I'm sorry you've been discrimated against, it's all evil. I have too and still will be for the rest of my life. My dad taught me that you can't fight everyone everytime that someone calls you the "N" word. Sometimes, it takes more of a man to walk away from the situation. This Jena 6 sounds like it may have been coming to a boil for sometime. The extremes that some take discrimination...will cause reaction, sometimes with a good solution, sometimes bad. Sometimes, you can't just turn away and just hope it subsides or stops.
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Jules isn't just talking about the discrimination women face. It's much larger than that and more current than that as well.
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Jules isn't just talking about the discrimination women face. It's much larger than that and more current than that as well.
I understand that. But, she stated earlier that she "isn't crying" over the fact discrimination happens to her as woman with the example of voting as a woman compared to the Jena 6 case. The point I was making is that she doesn't have to worry about being discriminated as a woman anymore for her voting and that by her being able to vote people won't go to extremes, like the Jenna 6, to state their displeasure of her being able to vote. And by all means, discrimination is larger than just racial, but the Jena 6 is one of those extreme examples of discrimination, hatred and evil that cannot be "not to be cried over"...
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It still doesn't excuse what those 6 people did, regardless of color.
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It still doesn't excuse what those 6 people did, regardless of color.
Amen. I believe the boys that did put their hands on the other boy and seriously injured him should be punished.
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Just as those that provoked this with the nooses should have been punished. It's pretty sad to see any of this going on. I know I live in a smaller area here in Ohio, but this kind of thing is unheard of. It may not be perfect and doubt it ever will be, but it's improving.
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You're right. it is improving some, but there are those cases that make you go...WOW. I wish I could turn back time when those boys saw those nooses and could be there to speak to them on my experiences and other solutions than the one they took. I just wonder did the boys go to someone at home before approaching the other boy. No excuses at all, but you know how as a teen you react first, then your rational thinking comes through after the fact (sometimes). This time it will cost. It's a shame all the way around CoachB.
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First off, I don't trust the news so I did as much research as I could on my own on this disgusting display of inhumanity.
I believe Mike pretty much summed up the time line on the events and I'll do a quick list here of just the major events surrounding this issue:
1) Black kid wants to sit under a tree in the schools common area and does so
2) Nooses were then hung from the tree
3) I believe the same kid from #1 was jumped by a group of white students at a school sponsored activity
4) Black students organize a "rally" under the tree
5) DA calls them into an auditorium and states he can end their lives with the stroke of a pen
6) White student drops some racial slurs towards the group of 6 (this kid was also quoted in a few articles to be bragging to them about hanging the nooses).
7) White kid gets beat up by 6 black kids and then attends a school function that night
8) All 6 are arrested and eventually post bail
9) One was found guilty of conspiracy to commit second degree murder along with a variety of other charges. This jury was ALL white, with a few quoted friends of the DA on the jury. The defense attorney was court appointed and also a friend of the DA and did not object to the jury or the venue and did not call any witnesses.
10) The charges above were recently overturned by the court of appeals
Justice for beating someone up, sure. The kid is lucky he isn't dead for the things he has said / done. In other places of the country he wouldn't be alive and we'd have a murder trial with a much easier verdict. The entire city is corrupt (as I am sure many other cities are) and it's completely disgusting.
Jules, I understand the struggle with women's rights and that it was a difficult time but in the year 2007 you aren't being assaulted or having your life threatened JUST for being a woman.
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You'll defend injustice to the death, just because there's race involved. Damn the fact that black people NEVER brought race into this...IT WAS ALREADY THERE.
But you all continue to live your "it's 2007" bubble. Bury your head in the sand because it doesn't affect you."
YOU PEOPLE YOU PEOPLE ...YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, yes! Often referred to as code that white people use when describing black people in a non favorable light.
The twist is here a black man is using the term about white people...funny isn't it?
In the year 2007 when crime against blacks is almost exclusively commited by other blacks we must keep the ignorant white racist's actions in the headlines.
The failure of the family unit, most specifically the absence of black men in homes with black children, is the most demoralizing, depressing aspect of urban life today.
Hopefully after the protests in Jena, La. the Rev. Al and Jesse can take time out of their ambulance chasing to address the "fatherless family" problem affecting 2 out of 3 black children and 1 out of 4 white kids.
it would appear that many black kids don't have to wait for a white guy to damage their chances for success since the absent father already gave them 2 strikes.
No, they won't.  ..Why go after the drug dealers and selfish "baby makers" who don't want to step up to the plate as MEN but would rather play the dead-beat game (this goes for all men of ALL COLORS)  . These issues aren't "newsmakers".....but issues they would probably say need to be taken care of in the community...Wake up peeps, WE ARE THE COMMUNITY and have almost an "inherent responsibility" in keeping things stable starting in our own homes.....
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Jules, I understand the struggle with women's rights and that it was a difficult time but in the year 2007 you aren't being assaulted or having your life threatened JUST for being a woman.
And that isn't what Jules is talking about either. That was an example she threw out there. I believe, for her personally, she's referring to something else.
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Ive been putting a lot of thought into this story, and I think what bothers me the most about it is that these six students, are being robbed of their primes.
I mean these kids are in high school, or near that age, that have the chance of losing their lives essentially. I mean if theyre 18, and they get the say 20 years theyre striving for, they could be near their 40s by the time they get out of prison. Can they really get jobs with that record?
Even so, colleges are going to possibly look the other way at kids that have had this kind of negative press. Mychal Bell...what can possibly go right for this kid now regardless of what happens the rest of the way with this case?
I'm more just bothered by the consequences of the whole deal. It seems unfair. Their actions, while wrong...deserve jailtime? A Misdemeanor MAYBE, but this just doesnt seem right.
These kids records are being marred by backwards justice.
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Until you or Jules flat spells it out, they aren't going to understand what you a talking about. 
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Jules, I understand the struggle with women's rights and that it was a difficult time but in the year 2007 you aren't being assaulted or having your life threatened JUST for being a woman.
And that isn't what Jules is talking about either. That was an example she threw out there. I believe, for her personally, she's referring to something else.
It's not worth me explaining, it just opens up that other dreaded can or worms.
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Some of you people are just truly unbelievable.
Is it really that unbelievable? It's what is and it's pretty pervasive. I know you know that though and you'd probably have a long list of words you'd like to replace 'unbelievable' with, some of them might even get you banned.  I have quite an extensive list of my own. My guess is though, we'd get just as far talking to the gum on the bottom of our shoes.
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"...Some of you people are just truly unbelievable.
You'll defend injustice to the death, just because there's race involved. Damn the fact that black people NEVER brought race into this...IT WAS ALREADY THERE.
But you all continue to live your "it's 2007" bubble. Bury your head in the sand because it doesn't affect you."
YOU PEOPLE YOU PEOPLE ...YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, yes! Often referred to as code that white people use when describing black people in a non favorable light.
The twist is here a black man is using the term about white people...funny isn't it?
In the year 2007 when crime against blacks is almost exclusively commited by other blacks we must keep the ignorant white racist's actions in the headlines.
The failure of the family unit, most specifically the absence of black men in homes with black children, is the most demoralizing, depressing aspect of urban life today.
Hopefully after the protests in Jena, La. the Rev. Al and Jesse can take time out of their ambulance chasing to address the "fatherless family" problem affecting 2 out of 3 black children and 1 out of 4 white kids.
it would appear that many black kids don't have to wait for a white guy to damage their chances for success since the absent father already gave them 2 strikes.
Don't try to act all outraged with me. First of all, it's your FALSE assumption that I was referring solely to white people...I was referring to the some people on THIS message board. They know who they are.
So, YOU are pulling the race card...I didn't mention anyone's race.
Facts people, learn them, and THEN make and EDUCATED decision.
Know the timeline, know the circumstances.
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You seem like a nice guy but to be honest you do have a way of disguising your digs in these threads . Now whether or not it is intentional or maybe we are just reading a little too much into it but I do see Ralphies point ( and I don't do that too often ). I know the timeline, I know the facts and the fact is that Black people ( at least the ones in the media ) want these kids to get a pass and not serve jail time for viciously beating and stomping another kid ...6 on 1 . No excuse for it plain and simple . Assault or at least disorderly conduct and they should have to admit their guilt . As for the D.A. and the nooses ? D.A. should be fired at least and also have to issue a public apology for his actions. The noose hangers should have been charged with something that fits the crime. We have lost sight of common sense here.
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You seem like a nice guy but to be honest you do have a way of disguising your digs in these threads .
You can't be serious. I don't often agree with exclamation man, but he's anything but subtle. He doesn't try to hide his point of view or the subjects of his consternation.
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You seem like a nice guy but to be honest you do have a way of disguising your digs in these threads . Now whether or not it is intentional or maybe we are just reading a little too much into it but I do see Ralphies point ( and I don't do that too often ). I know the timeline, I know the facts and the fact is that Black people ( at least the ones in the media ) want these kids to get a pass and not serve jail time for viciously beating and stomping another kid ...6 on 1 . No excuse for it plain and simple . Assault or at least disorderly conduct and they should have to admit their guilt . As for the D.A. and the nooses ? D.A. should be fired at least and also have to issue a public apology for his actions. The noose hangers should have been charged with something that fits the crime. We have lost sight of common sense here.
Wrong...nobody's asking for a pass, we're asking for the same punishment for the white kids that jumped 1 black kid. Or the white kids that pulled guns on the black kids.
Not once have I said that these kids shouldn't be punished for what they did, what we're saying is, where's the justice when the white kids did this first and got off without so much as a crease in their shirt.
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Jules, I understand the struggle with women's rights and that it was a difficult time but in the year 2007 you aren't being assaulted or having your life threatened JUST for being a woman.
And that isn't what Jules is talking about either. That was an example she threw out there. I believe, for her personally, she's referring to something else.
It's not worth me explaining, it just opens up that other dreaded can or worms.
I figured if you wanted to spell it out, you would. Thought I'd leave that up to you though, just wanted them to know you weren't specifically talking about women and being able to vote. It is a can of worms probably best left for a another discussion though.
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You seem like a nice guy but to be honest you do have a way of disguising your digs in these threads . Now whether or not it is intentional or maybe we are just reading a little too much into it but I do see Ralphies point ( and I don't do that too often ). I know the timeline, I know the facts and the fact is that Black people ( at least the ones in the media ) want these kids to get a pass and not serve jail time for viciously beating and stomping another kid ...6 on 1 . No excuse for it plain and simple . Assault or at least disorderly conduct and they should have to admit their guilt . As for the D.A. and the nooses ? D.A. should be fired at least and also have to issue a public apology for his actions. The noose hangers should have been charged with something that fits the crime. We have lost sight of common sense here.
Wrong...nobody's asking for a pass, we're asking for the same punishment for the white kids that jumped 1 black kid. Or the white kids that pulled guns on the black kids.
Not once have I said that these kids shouldn't be punished for what they did, what we're saying is, where's the justice when the white kids did this first and got off without so much as a crease in their shirt.
I looked through every link and haven't found it. I know there were other fights, but I haven't seen where 6 white guys beat up and stomped an unconscious black kid. Can you provide a link?
I did read about an incident with a gun being pulled, but no details, so no one knows if it was justified or not (fear for his safety). It COULD be a racist redneck that deserves punishment....but it COULD be that, as some articles said the "black kids" didn't take "well" to the nooses and confronted a man that was in fear for his life. Again, no details that I can see. Do you have a link that provides the details?
Which kids did what first? Again, according to everything that's been posted here, there were many fights and this is the only incident of a 6 on 1 beatdown. If there's more information, it hasn't been posted. Apparently you have it, so could you provide it?
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CoachB, Follow this link, and there is your timeline: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/20/jena.six/index.html#cnnSTCOther1IF you notice, there was another fight where a black student went to a party( was invited) and some white kids beat him up. Of course those students did not get cited for attempted murder. As far as the gun incident, that happened in a store of which those kids took the gun away from him, and then were cited for robbing the man..LMAO!! So there were plenty of incidents where the city could have prevented any escalation but did nothing, until these 6 guys beat the white guy up. But again, no one is saying that they deserve not to be punished, just not attempted murder!
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Hide if you will, but at some point it's going to come out that you once tried to burn down a church.
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I appreciate that you understood where I was coming from.
Hide if you will, but at some point it's going to come out that you once tried to burn down a church.
We near church burners deal with unwarranted ridicule and hate! 
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no one is saying that they deserve not to be punished, just not attempted murder!
Beating someone to the point where they are unconsious should be attempted murder. That is going a little farther than a normal beatdown.
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Dog, unless I missed something in that timeline, it talked about a fight between one white and one black at the party. I'm not saying this to you, but if that is the incident ndutyme is talking about (and you sorta), a fight between 2 people is a world of difference from a 6 on 1 beat down, you know? That's why the punishments shouldn't be the same.
The gun incident. I still would like details. All it says on the timeline is a gun was pulled by a white kid on black kids. I'd love more details before saying anything. Like I said before, it could be the white kid at fault or he could have been fearing for his life. I don't know without details.
Regardless of all that, you are right, this could have been stopped a long time before the "incident" took place. Sadly, it seems everything has been mishandled on both sides of the fence here.
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