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Agreed. I like Dorsey and what he has doen in general, but the OBJ trade, in general, seems to have done more harm than good. He's been basically invisible all year, and I wonder how the position would have faired with Higgins in there from the beginning, I also wonder how we would have fared today with Zeitler in at guard, and with Peppers, Avery and Ogbah still here.

I feel ya, bone.

Denzel "hospital" Ward isn't even close to being good.

Here’s my thing with current state. This is 100% on Dorsey. He’s created this mess. First he takes away a position of strength that is the most important unit on field and made it weaker for a lateral move. Gets rid of a 1st round pick that was starting to play well and another 1st for a player we really didn’t need. Missed on about all his picks this year. Then goes against analytics that all favored stefanski to be HC and flexed to get kitchens, then let’s him call his own plays. Doesn’t even interview two coaches that took their teams to the Super Bowls. One being coach of the year and a qb guru and openly said he’d keep kitchens as his OC and groom him. This would have been win/win. I questioned kitchens hire immediately and thought he was being put in impossible situation. I don’t think he’s good as a HC or OC. But I also think he’s doing the best he can to do the job.. want to isn’t enough and doing the job isn’t the same as doing it well. So everyone is giving dorsey a pass and I believe he’s the bigger issue here

Playing with an injured hand.

Losing culture, organization, coaches, and players.

I'm not sold on Baker. Number one overall pick and can never carry the team. Doesn't even know how to get one of the top 5 WRs in football the ball. Constantly throwing high to make up for lack a height.

I'll say this again, a franchise QB doesn't miss the TD to Harris.

Pathetic.

I don't know if its the hip / groin injury he has alluded to a couple times this year or what, but Beckham doesn't look like Beckham any more. Still good, but not electric like he used to be.

I watched Mayfield play and then watch Mahomes mastering his trade. Make no mistake, there's a huuuuuge gap between these guys. Watch Freddie dick around all day then watch Reid coaching his team. They're not even on the same planet. Watch our TEs struggle to catch a ball then Watch KCs TEs catch and run the ball.

We're a pretty crummy squad...

He's been completely unimpressive this year when tightly covered. I don't know what the deal is with that.

Just heard on the radio ... we had 6 running plays in the second half today. That's not nearly enough. Chubb and Hunt represent the closest thing we have in terms of "an identity", but it seems like that's not what Kitchens wants us to be.

Play of the game that defines our season IMO:

- We are up 10-0 ... it is 3rd and 10 on their own 20 yard line. We have them reeling. Richardson jumps offsides, they get a free play ... so Duck feels like he can take a shot finally. It’s complete to Washington for 30 yards and our secondary is toasted (Ward). They had all the momentum from that play.

Chubb was chewing them up first half. smh

This sums up EXACTLY why Freddie needs to go. Can't even identify the strength of the team and use it to his advantage. Forget stubborn. Incompetent. No reason for him to be here after this season. None.

So was hunt

a few years ago, SpiritBro would say that every time the defense got a sack, they would get fined.

seems like freddie kitchens does the same with chubb and hunt now. if they are doing well, dont feed them anymore.

When we had the INT we HAD to run it IMO .. that was the spot to tie the game. Clock wasn’t an issue

B. Perriman had a hundred and some bum odd yards and I don't know if he had a td, today,
scrolled across the bottom of the television screen,

and everytime I see something like that from a player who was making meaningful plays less than 365 days ago, in a Browns uniform? (And the Browns current guys can't get things to go right)

It's not a good feeling I get.

Dianna
@diannaESPN
Spoke to Steeler players about Mike Tomlin. Players on defense pointed to the adjustments made at half. They said he “straight up went high school football coach and drew up how they were going to defend Cleveland “ since they Browns showing a different look. “He saved the game”

have we EVER had players talk about a coach like that on our team? if so, i most certainly dont remember it.

I disagree. Play of the game is the previous drive on O. 3rd and long. Baker with pressure steps up and slides, resets fires a bad pass to Higgins. Higgins unable to make the play. Could have been first down on their side of the field up 10-0.

Baker just doesn't make enough plays that winning, franchise QBs should make.

This guy is a number one overall pick. And he never delivers.

It's not even clear if Freddie spends any time with the defense.

You know, 888, it is too bad we can’t have you , eve and some of the others who constantly complain about play calling be on the sideline calling calling plays. I am sure each of you, with your vast years of experience calling plays in the nfl, would unleash an offensive juggernaut.

I will paraphrase what Jason day said after disgracing the wolverines in Ann Arbor......again. We coaches can design the greatest plays in the world but it is up to the players to execute. Our play calling is not the problem, execution is.

A couple weeks ago Bradshaw said the Browns are like a puzzle. They are almost there , but they are missing one piece. Guess what that piece is.

This season reminds me of 2008...pretenders, not contenders. A massive letdown when compared to pre-season optimism.

This team ebbs and flows and cannot play at a high level for an entire game.

We probably finish at 8-8. The only thing that will salvage this season is another win versus Baltimore.

Mayfield is our #1 QB, but I really want to see G-squared for a complete game or two.

Terence Mitchell is our best CB at this time...not even close. We must address the secondary and Oline this off-season.

I won''t even touch on the coaching staff but things feel much, mush different than the kast 8 games last year.

I really dislike arguments like these. As if we aren’t allowed to criticize Because we aren’t in the nfl.

By that logic, nobody should whine about politics since none of us are politicians.

Worse than I realized.

Good thought.

With that being said, I'll send Freddie and Todd my sheets from my old Photo Electric Football" game.

Gotta help, no?

I dont recall complaining about the playcalling much this week, but since you mention it, yes, the playcalling did suck donkey butt. Thanks for the reminder.

3 run plays per quarter the second half? Yikes

And most likely, fans could probably call better plays. This is what happens when you hire a rookie HC with zero experience. This is NOT how you run a professional football team. You are supposed to put people in charge who actually know what they are doing.

I sadly miss his commentary. I hope he is doing OK...

Yup that was a back breaker...gave them the ball back plus they got it again after the half.

That's a well-taken point. My beef isn't with the individual play calls so much as it is with the philosophy of play. Like throwing a shovel pass on 3rd and 4 instead of a cross or a slant, or a screen. It's not running the ball the second half when our RB was chewing them up in the first half. It's executing two corner blitzes, one ending in a sack, the other in a QB hurry, then never seeing it again. That is the coaches "outsmarting" themselves, and that is seen as stupid. This is not rocket science, it's football, and when something is working you keep doing it until they stop it. These coached don't seem to understand the concept, which is freaky scary. We have a porous o-line. We know it and everyone in the league knows it, so why are we calling long developing plays on 3rd down against a team that loves to blitz on 3rd down? That's stupid. Why are we not utilizing the run and running the offense through the run game when we have two TOP running backs? The fact we don't is just plain ignorant. It's these types of things that cause us to question everything. We've all been watching football long enough to know these basic fundamentals, and to make matters worse, we watch good teams, successful teams do them all the time. WTF seems to make our coaches think they are special or exempt from doing what works? I think this is why the play-calling gets questioned so often.

This is a bad team with good talent. I’m sick of the excuses. I realize many people bear some burden here, but I place it squarely on Freddie. I said in the off-season and preseason that I was worried about his cockiness and arrogance and how he handled both. I said, though, that I would shut up about it, and let him prove that he knew what he was doing. He didn’t. He screwed it up with his nonchalant BS and refusing to hold his players accountable by anointing them ready and winners way before their time. I’ll never hear a thing from the people on this board who gave the very few of us questioning the early tactics of a man who has proven nothing in this league, and now they will all change the narrative.

We are going nowhere with Freddie unless he changes drastically. His leadership skills look horrible.

Freddie is bad for Mayfield, and that is my biggest concern.

Another disappointing season.

Chubb and Hunt running all over the Steelers
O-line getting beat like a red headed step child

So obviously we run the ball, right?
Jeesh

I agree Jules, this team wreaks of poor leadership. It’s totally unfocused, undisciplined, and ill-prepared

NEWS FLASH: We are missing much more than only one piece...

Ryan Day

Best be a multiple choice question. We got enough lousy to go around a few times and BM lowers the bar repeatedly. Back to taking sacks, predictable calls, missing people with lousy throws, and forcing bad choices into double coverage. Still fails to see some widee open people; his mind must be made up before the snap or he is being told to force it. If he can be better, we can be better. Just not there. This defense as played can't get off the field quickly.

Not certain I see much greatness in this offense. Not as called and not as run.