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Who is our DB coach? He needs to be fired. Ward and Greedy are top talents but are being wasted. I’m sick and tired of seeing them not looking for the day one ball! I also don’t know why we don’t seem to see Money Mitch out there more. Is it the DB coach or is it Wilks' scheme? Ward and Greedy are better suited for man coverage. Wilks plays more zone coverage. Wilks not adapting his scheme to fit his players strengths is a problem. Here's an article discussing it upon the hiring of Wilks... https://www.draftace.com/2019/02/20/steve-wilks-wrong-coach-denzel-ward/ We showed a lot of man yesterday in order to try to rush 5 or 6 (which the Steelers still picked up every time). When Hodges saw that we were showing man coverage, he was attacking it. All I saw was Ward losing that battle repeatedly. I haven't seen anything all year long to indicate that Ward is a great man coverage corner. He has the speed and agility to keep up with most receivers, but he does not do a good job at breaking up the catch with his hands.
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True or false assumptions? --Our OTs' are trash --Our CBs' are over rated (one is a rookie that should be on the bench, and the other continually plays like one) --$Mitch is our best CB --Our KO return men need to use better judgment, on when to take it out or take a knee --Our Coach and play caller gets too cute with his gadget plays at all the wrong times --Our game plan does not play to our players strengths (ie; protection) --Our in game and halftime adjustments are a figment of our imagination --Our Coach says that we need to be able to run the ball, but fails to call run plays in the second half so that they can run the ball 
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j/c: For as much heat as Freddie is getting, and rightfully so, I'm a little surprised Dorsey hasn't been getting blame. I guess I've seen a few posts from yesterday, but that's it. Just an underwhelming group of players who are overpaid and not performing. Misfit toys with seemingly no plan on how to use them or philosophy on how or what type of team they are trying to build. Acquire talent and cross the fingers that the pieces fit.
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Who is our DB coach? He needs to be fired. Ward and Greedy are top talents but are being wasted. I’m sick and tired of seeing them not looking for the day one ball! I also don’t know why we don’t seem to see Money Mitch out there more. Is it the DB coach or is it Wilks' scheme? Ward and Greedy are better suited for man coverage. Wilks plays more zone coverage. Wilks not adapting his scheme to fit his players strengths is a problem. Here's an article discussing it upon the hiring of Wilks... https://www.draftace.com/2019/02/20/steve-wilks-wrong-coach-denzel-ward/ We showed a lot of man yesterday in order to try to rush 5 or 6 (which the Steelers still picked up every time). When Hodges saw that we were showing man coverage, he was attacking it. All I saw was Ward losing that battle repeatedly. I haven't seen anything all year long to indicate that Ward is a great man coverage corner. He has the speed and agility to keep up with most receivers, but he does not do a good job at breaking up the catch with his hands. Why such a regression from this year to last? Ward didn't lose his talent all of a sudden. Coaching.
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Ward has the same position Coach as last season.
So no! I would not place blame on coaching.
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j/c: For as much heat as Freddie is getting, and rightfully so, I'm a little surprised Dorsey hasn't been getting blame. I guess I've seen a few posts from yesterday, but that's it. Just an underwhelming group of players who are overpaid and not performing. Misfit toys with seemingly no plan on how to use them or philosophy on how or what type of team they are trying to build. Acquire talent and cross the fingers that the pieces fit. My guess this is why Dorsey isn’t getting much heat at the moment. We have a talented and workable roster. The problem is that isn’t the players job to define the culture and direction of the team. We’re still dealing with young, generally immature men who’ve never really had that level of responsibility. Unfortunately we seem to have a HC who isn’t much more mature then they are.
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Ward has the same position Coach as last season.
So no! I would not place blame on coaching. So if it’s not coaching and it’s not talent... that leaves attitude. Which with how improper attitude and lack of discipline has been a recurring theme this season... we may have found the culprit
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Ward has the same position Coach as last season.
So no! I would not place blame on coaching. He also has a different defensive coordinator. The overall regression of several players on the team is alarming.
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Ward has the same position Coach as last season.
So no! I would not place blame on coaching. So if it’s not coaching and it’s not talent... that leaves attitude. Which with how improper attitude and lack of discipline has been a recurring theme this season... we may have found the culprit Perhaps Ward has an inflated opinion of himself and his play, that he believes in his own mind that he is an elite CB already. He is not.
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At this point you have to wonder where the Browns would be if Sashi got to finish what he started.
 Well now that the great and talented Sashi is doing the same job for that other NFL team....... Wait, no, never mind. The entire NFL witnessed what Sashi did here. That's why he has a a much smaller role on an NBA team now.
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I don’t know... what we’re seeing in Miami seems to be a show we’ve seen before...
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I have no idea what that's in reference to.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Jarvis Landry said the last-play interception “was my fault,”
"Just gotta Coach em up" , "I thought they Battled" , " I need to watch the tape"
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Jarvis Landry said the last-play interception “was my fault,” From Pat McManamon... “Just a little bit off on the seam throw,” Mayfield said, bringing new meaning to the words “a little bit.”
“It was my fault,” Landry said.
The ball looked behind you, Landry was asked, what happened?
“I’m just taking the blame,” Landry said. “It was my fault.”
On the sidelines after the play, photographers from Cleveland.com took shots of Landry in what was labeled a heated discussion with quarterbacks coach Ryan Lindley. Christian Kirksey (on injured reserve) and others eventually stepped between the pair.
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Ah yes, we've reached the TMZ portion of the season....
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Blame somebody Monday's.
Start at the top work your way down.
Haslam, Dorsey, Freddie, Baker and then list any player that comes to mind.
This team has underachieved. There are no excuses to cover losing to third string quarterbacks and depleted rosters.
Is the talent overrated? Probably depends on who you ask.
From my perspective I can see no reason why the Browns are not better than a 500 team.
So, Haslam hired Dorsey. Dorsey promoted Freddie to head coach. Dorsey made the roster. Freddie coached the team.
If Freddie is at fault so is Dorsey for hiring him.
Now what?
Play out the season. Evaluate the season in it's entirety.
Make a decision on if Freddie is worth developing or not.
If not then who? Begin another search. Look at all available candidates. Determine what the criterion is to hire a new coach. Find the right guy.
This season is a huge disappointment. What began with great optimism has ended with yet more failure.
For myself I will pay attention from a distance. Will not fall victim to any hype again. Will watch the first game next year and see what we have. The prediction game is over.
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At this point you have to wonder where the Browns would be if Sashi got to finish what he started.
Well now that the great and talented Sashi is doing the same job for that other NFL team....... Wait, no, never mind. The entire NFL witnessed what Sashi did here. That's why he has a a much smaller role on an NBA team now. "Did"? How about what he started. And although I'm not anti-Dorsey, I agree with Rishuz - I do wonder what Sashi would have accomplished if he were allowed to continue...
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
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I hope they can get G Williams back if its possible just admit they made a mistake with FK and bring back a winning coach even malarkey was their for the taking and they hired an unknown guy over a winning coach, I was baffled over that but I,ve baffled since 99 ….and the craziness continues. Man there has to be someone out there to stop the bleeding you would think.
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Sadly this team has become all about everything but football .. its a ship without a captain
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Freddie presser today....
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All you have to do is look at the rosters while he was here to see what he would have done. He was an "I can blow it up real good" guy. Nothing in his resume' gave any indication he knew how to build a team.
The rest of the NFL could see that. I guess there are a few on this board who think they're smarter than the other 31 NFL teams that wouldn't even offer him a job.
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One thing I am certain of Dorsey will not hire GW as head coach.
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How many times have we heard this before? What's the counter up to (hint, it's about as many as we have losses)? Honestly, there's no point in saying 'oops' unless you fix your mistakes.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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