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I believe she should be able to do whatever she wants to her body. But not to the babies body. It’s not a baby, it’s a cell cluster. How many times have we gone over this basic biology lesson? Not only is it a cell cluster, but it’s one put there against the will of the host. Defending anything but her choice in this decision is absurd. And sorry. No 16 year old is ready to have a child. I don’t care about anyone’s anecdotal story. At 16 you’re not educated enough to thrive in today’s world. At 16 you don’t have the life experience to create a healthy adult ‘you’ while raising another being to also be healthy. At 16 you’re setting yourself up for missing some very important years of maturation through life lessons, love/loss, etc, while you raise a child. At 16 you shouldn’t have to raise someone’s RAPE BABY! Period. No one should. At any age. Period! If someone wants to make that choice. Fine. Forcing it is disgusting. Call it what you will it is murder!
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I believe she should be able to do whatever she wants to her body. But not to the babies body. It’s not a baby, it’s a cell cluster. How many times have we gone over this basic biology lesson? Not only is it a cell cluster, but it’s one put there against the will of the host. Defending anything but her choice in this decision is absurd. And sorry. No 16 year old is ready to have a child. I don’t care about anyone’s anecdotal story. At 16 you’re not educated enough to thrive in today’s world. At 16 you don’t have the life experience to create a healthy adult ‘you’ while raising another being to also be healthy. At 16 you’re setting yourself up for missing some very important years of maturation through life lessons, love/loss, etc, while you raise a child. At 16 you shouldn’t have to raise someone’s RAPE BABY! Period. No one should. At any age. Period! If someone wants to make that choice. Fine. Forcing it is disgusting. Call it what you will it is murder! You call it what you will. It’s not murder.
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It’s not a baby, it’s a cell cluster.
That argument isn't very good. Most living things are "just a collection of cell clusters." I feel there are times when abortion is a viable option. It's more the clinical dispassion that goes along with it that bothers me. Aborting life should be seen as more serious than wart removal. A wart is a cell cluster. Unlike a wart (hopefully), a fertilized embryo has the potential for sentience. While there can be other babies, will there ever be one with that specific combination of DNA ever again? While there are many bad possibilities that might be good reasons for terminating a pregnancy, there are inevitably losses of good possibilities. Treating abortion (the abortee) with a little more dignity, contemplation, and respect rather than a sense of throwing out trash might make the idea a bit more palatable. Unpleasant necessity, okay. No big deal, I'm not so much on board with that. I'm not going to tell anyone what decision to make, but it's not a decision that should be made lightly. "It's just a cluster of cells. We'll squirt those out on Tuesday," shouldn't be the entire thought process.
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It’s not a baby, it’s a cell cluster.
That argument isn't very good. Most living things are "just a collection of cell clusters." I feel there are times when abortion is a viable option. It's more the clinical dispassion that goes along with it that bothers me. Aborting life should be seen as more serious than wart removal. A wart is a cell cluster. Unlike a wart (hopefully), a fertilized embryo has the potential for sentience. While there can be other babies, will there ever be one with that specific combination of DNA ever again? While there are many bad possibilities that might be good reasons for terminating a pregnancy, there are inevitably losses of good possibilities. Treating abortion (the abortee) with a little more dignity, contemplation, and respect rather than a sense of throwing out trash might make the idea a bit more palatable. Unpleasant necessity, okay. No big deal, I'm not so much on board with that. I'm not going to tell anyone what decision to make, but it's not a decision that should be made lightly. "It's just a cluster of cells. We'll squirt those out on Tuesday," shouldn't be the entire thought process. I agree on most counts. I’m not a ‘fan’ of abortion. I’m not one that thinks it should be used flippantly. I’ve never had to go through the decision process of whether to have one or not. Thankfully. Not for always being smart, just lucky. I’d prefer offering sex education and encouragement of use of prophylactics. I think most young women should consider an IUD when they’re beginning their first sexual relationships. I think all 18 year old boys should be allowed to bank a load and then get snipped. (Hell I’m almost for mandating that.) I also think it’s none of anyone else’s business if all these things were done, or none of these things were done. If a woman wants an abortion it should be her choice. I do feel there is a timeline that should be considered. I’m open for conversation on this. I’m not for late term abortion unless there’s true harm for the fetus or woman. Ultimately, it’s not my body. Therefore it’s not my choice. Shouldn’t be anyone else’s either.
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I believe she should be able to do whatever she wants to her body. But not to the babies body. It’s not a baby, it’s a cell cluster. How many times have we gone over this basic biology lesson? Not only is it a cell cluster, but it’s one put there against the will of the host. Defending anything but her choice in this decision is absurd. And sorry. No 16 year old is ready to have a child. I don’t care about anyone’s anecdotal story. At 16 you’re not educated enough to thrive in today’s world. At 16 you don’t have the life experience to create a healthy adult ‘you’ while raising another being to also be healthy. At 16 you’re setting yourself up for missing some very important years of maturation through life lessons, love/loss, etc, while you raise a child. At 16 you shouldn’t have to raise someone’s RAPE BABY! Period. No one should. At any age. Period! If someone wants to make that choice. Fine. Forcing it is disgusting. Call it what you will it is murder! You call it what you will. It’s not murder. Have you ever scene a 3d ultrasound? If you ever get a chance please do so. Your mind will change. It is a baby insode a womb.
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I believe she should be able to do whatever she wants to her body. But not to the babies body. It’s not a baby, it’s a cell cluster. How many times have we gone over this basic biology lesson? Not only is it a cell cluster, but it’s one put there against the will of the host. Defending anything but her choice in this decision is absurd. And sorry. No 16 year old is ready to have a child. I don’t care about anyone’s anecdotal story. At 16 you’re not educated enough to thrive in today’s world. At 16 you don’t have the life experience to create a healthy adult ‘you’ while raising another being to also be healthy. At 16 you’re setting yourself up for missing some very important years of maturation through life lessons, love/loss, etc, while you raise a child. At 16 you shouldn’t have to raise someone’s RAPE BABY! Period. No one should. At any age. Period! If someone wants to make that choice. Fine. Forcing it is disgusting. Call it what you will it is murder! You call it what you will. It’s not murder. Have you ever scene a 3d ultrasound? If you ever get a chance please do so. Your mind will change. It is a baby insode a womb. I’m a nurse. It’s a fetus. It’s non viable outside the womb until the 24th week. Again I’m not for late term abortion. (Or any abortion really.) Mind unchanged.
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I believe she should be able to do whatever she wants to her body. But not to the babies body. It’s not a baby, it’s a cell cluster. How many times have we gone over this basic biology lesson? Not only is it a cell cluster, but it’s one put there against the will of the host. Defending anything but her choice in this decision is absurd. And sorry. No 16 year old is ready to have a child. I don’t care about anyone’s anecdotal story. At 16 you’re not educated enough to thrive in today’s world. At 16 you don’t have the life experience to create a healthy adult ‘you’ while raising another being to also be healthy. At 16 you’re setting yourself up for missing some very important years of maturation through life lessons, love/loss, etc, while you raise a child. At 16 you shouldn’t have to raise someone’s RAPE BABY! Period. No one should. At any age. Period! If someone wants to make that choice. Fine. Forcing it is disgusting. He/she is a baby not an it. You see my friend you think I don't get it, and I know you don't get it. So you see all 500 times we have disagreed on this your the one who doesn't get it.  Now if you want to lump all 16 year olds together thats up to you, but many folks 18, 20, 25, 30, and even at 50 are not mature enough to have a baby. BTW My wife was 17 when we got married and I was 18. We have been married for 38 years and raised two wonderful children aged 34 and 33. So I have heard all the crap about OH your not old enough/mature enough/to young. I call bull manure on that one. Now as far as a 16 year old raising a rape baby I can not and will not argue with you on that one as I wrestle with it myself. If you didn't notice I am against this bill and called it asinine already in this thread.
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I'm fighting for new abortion legislation that lets people abort within 3 months after seeing the results of the target person's IQ and political leanings test. If we are going to get accused of killing fully formed humans we need to start catching them while they are Trumpians...
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BTW My wife was 17 when we got married and I was 18. We have been married for 38 years and raised two wonderful children aged 34 and 33. So I have heard all the crap about OH your not old enough/mature enough/to young. I call bull manure on that one. A lot has changed in the 30+ years since your spouse got pregnant. You could graduate high school and get a job that paid well enough to raise a kid. Potentially on one income. Those days are well past. No modern 16 year old (from a non wealthy family) is in a good space to raise a kid in today’s world.
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I'm fighting for new abortion legislation that lets people abort within 3 months after seeing the results of the target person's IQ and political leanings test. If we are going to get accused of killing fully formed humans we need to start catching them while they are Trumpians...
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I'm fighting for new abortion legislation that lets people abort within 3 months after seeing the results of the target person's IQ and political leanings test. If we are going to get accused of killing fully formed humans we need to start catching them while they are Trumpians...
I'm pretty sure all trumpians are just clumps of non self aware cells that cannot exist on their own outside the hive womb.
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BTW My wife was 17 when we got married and I was 18. We have been married for 38 years and raised two wonderful children aged 34 and 33. So I have heard all the crap about OH your not old enough/mature enough/to young. I call bull manure on that one. A lot has changed in the 30+ years since your spouse got pregnant. You could graduate high school and get a job that paid well enough to raise a kid. Potentially on one income. Those days are well past. No modern 16 year old (from a non wealthy family) is in a good space to raise a kid in today’s world. You can still live on one income. You just have to give up a few things like a second car, a fancy house, motorcycles, boats, fancy vacations, going out to eat 3 times a week, cell phones, cable tv, internet, etc, etc, etc.
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And it better not be a minimum wage income or you are screwed.
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And it better not be a minimum wage income or you are screwed. Which is what a 16 year old would earn.
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This side trip has been interesting and all, but one fact hasn't been given nearly enough attention:
These fools drafted a bill that proposes criminal charges be leveled at medical professionals who fail to migrate an ectopic pregnancy to the uteran wall- a procedure that is medically impossible.
Now, this is one of two things, as far as I can see:
1. A woefully misinformed and misguided bill that will never pass the smell test enough to become law
2. A truly cynical attempt to slip it past an uneducated public as a means to eradicate all doctors who support a woman's right to safe legal procedures.
BTW: 'ectopic pregnancy' is something of a misnomer in that it is not, never was, and never will be a viable pregnancy. It is an accident of biology that is by its very nature deadly to the host.
It truly is a cluster of cells and nothing more.
The real subject of the thread is this awful, reprehensible bill. That should always be kept in mind.
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The real subject of the thread is this awful, reprehensible bill. That should always be kept in mind. Which is why I called it asinine.
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Yeah punishing woman and doctors for abortions more harshly than a rapist makes tons of sense. Nice going Ohio.
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The real subject of the thread is this awful, reprehensible bill. That should always be kept in mind. Which is why I called it asinine. Only part of it.
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BTW My wife was 17 when we got married and I was 18. We have been married for 38 years and raised two wonderful children aged 34 and 33. So I have heard all the crap about OH your not old enough/mature enough/to young. I call bull manure on that one. A lot has changed in the 30+ years since your spouse got pregnant. You could graduate high school and get a job that paid well enough to raise a kid. Potentially on one income. Those days are well past. No modern 16 year old (from a non wealthy family) is in a good space to raise a kid in today’s world. You can still live on one income. You just have to give up a few things like a second car, a fancy house, motorcycles, boats, fancy vacations, going out to eat 3 times a week, cell phones, cable tv, internet, etc, etc, etc. In other words ... “Homeless”
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No I mean just like others have done all through history, instead of being greedy gimme, gimme, gimme folks like WE are today.
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The real subject of the thread is this awful, reprehensible bill. That should always be kept in mind. Which is why I called it asinine. Only part of it. Yep the part about reimplant an ectopic pregnancy. The part about no exceptions for the womans health, maybe the part about no exceptions for rape. The part about throwing the women, and Doctors in jail for not doing something impossible. So you see I am against those parts.
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No I mean just like others have done all through history, instead of being greedy gimme, gimme, gimme folks like WE are today. A quick note about your ‘things to live without’ list. A cell phone is a necessity. You pretty much can’t get a job without a phone number.
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BTW My wife was 17 when we got married and I was 18. We have been married for 38 years and raised two wonderful children aged 34 and 33. So I have heard all the crap about OH your not old enough/mature enough/to young. I call bull manure on that one. A lot has changed in the 30+ years since your spouse got pregnant. You could graduate high school and get a job that paid well enough to raise a kid. Potentially on one income. Those days are well past. No modern 16 year old (from a non wealthy family) is in a good space to raise a kid in today’s world. You can still live on one income. You just have to give up a few things like a second car, a fancy house, motorcycles, boats, fancy vacations, going out to eat 3 times a week, cell phones, cable tv, internet, etc, etc, etc. You can remove all of the "fancy" from that because you can't afford those things really at all. Change going out to eat 3 times a week to never. And if you think you can exist today without internet and a cell phone, good luck.
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I left out the Internet from my last post as it could be argued you can use a computer at a library. Which can be a major inconvenience for many. Especially if you’re emailing applications and having to return emails frequently.
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Yeah, raising a family of four on $10 dollars an hour is totally doable! 
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I left out the Internet from my last post as it could be argued you can use a computer at a library. Which can be a major inconvenience for many. Especially if you’re emailing applications and having to return emails frequently. Yes, a lot of things are possible to save a few bucks until you add back in the loss of efficiency and productivity that comes along with trying to work without it. You could live in a house without a kitchen if you could cook outside on a fire and drink/bathe straight from a well.. but it's not practical.
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I left out the Internet from my last post as it could be argued you can use a computer at a library. Which can be a major inconvenience for many. Especially if you’re emailing applications and having to return emails frequently. Yes, a lot of things are possible to save a few bucks until you add back in the loss of efficiency and productivity that comes along with trying to work without it. You could live in a house without a kitchen if you could cook outside on a fire and drink/bathe straight from a well.. but it's not practical. Totally agree.
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Yeah, raising a family of four on $10 dollars an hour is totally doable! Why are you trying to raise a family of 4 on 1 person working a job at $10 an hour? There are a ton of jobs - full time, with benefits, just around here starting at $12 to even $20 an hour. And if you have a family of 4, it stands to reason you've been working at least 2 years. Show me someone that has worked the same job for at least 2 years - a full time job - that is making $10 an hour. Sorry, I know too many businesses, just around here, that start off at $12, minimum, and move you up to $15 rather quickly, with benefits. That's here, not NYC.
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Yeah, raising a family of four on $10 dollars an hour is totally doable! Well, to be fair to GM... he and his wife were married for 5 or 6 years before they had their first child. Presumably until the kids were born, both were working... then hopefully before having the child and deciding to go single income, he was making more than the equivalent of $10/hour.. which you should be if you have been working for 5 or 6 years.
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Once again you can't seem to follow a thread. You really need to work on that.
The thread was saying how you could live on one job.
Have you ever heard of a single parent arch? But then I guess a single parent should work three jobs and ignore raising her family. Then when they turn out to be thugs people like you can blame the parents.
Women have husbands who leave them. Refuse to pay child support or die.
Think arch, think.
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While I do understand your point, we both know that wage disparity has increased greatly over the past 40 years.
When I was young I started out on what were considered low wages at the time. As you stated, it didn't stay that way.
But even on those low wages I paid rent on a small cabin that was furnished, had a car loan and had no problem buying my groceries.
It's not like that anymore. Those at the bottom have gone backwards and for me to try and compare what I could do on low wages in the 70's to now simply isn't logical.
What I think a lot of people have trouble with understanding is just how much those at the bottom of the income level have fallen and they think, "Well I did it", when the situation is nowhere close to what it was so long ago.
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Check the thread title. Thanks.
The rest of your reply is just gibberish talking points. Sorry dude, not buying into it.
You blather on about single parents, yet you talk about a family of 4.............
Women have husbands that leave them? Hey, wake up - men have women that leave them also.
Believe it or not, I was a single dad, I know what goes on.
And, bottom line, if you're working, after several years, and are only making $10 an hour at a full time job (and there are many, many available) you're doing something wrong. You know it, you just won't admit it.
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The difference between $10 an hour and $15-$20 an hour for a single income family of four would be significant day to day, but you are still living the american dream in total poverty.
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Once again you can't seem to follow a thread. You really need to work on that.
The thread was saying how you could live on one job.
Have you ever heard of a single parent arch? But then I guess a single parent should work three jobs and ignore raising her family. Then when they turn out to be thugs people like you can blame the parents.
Women have husbands who leave them. Refuse to pay child support or die.
Think arch, think. So what you are saying is that a significant portion of this problem could go away if baby mommas and baby daddys were a little more selective in who they choose to make babies with?
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Awwweeee.... Yes, there are millions of single moms out there. So you're not buying into the fact that there are millions of single moms out there?  Sure there are single dads out there too. Just not nearly as many and women still make less than men for the same job.
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So what you are saying is that a significant portion of this problem could go away if baby mommas and baby daddys were a little more selective in who they choose to make babies with?
In some cases yes. Not all but some. Sometimes when you marry someone or live with someone, they don't have a drug problem, or a mental problem. People change. And many times you don't know someone is going to die when you have children with them. But now you're changing the discussion.
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Once again you can't seem to follow a thread. You really need to work on that.
The thread was saying how you could live on one job.
Have you ever heard of a single parent arch? But then I guess a single parent should work three jobs and ignore raising her family. Then when they turn out to be thugs people like you can blame the parents.
Women have husbands who leave them. Refuse to pay child support or die.
Think arch, think. So what you are saying is that a significant portion of this problem could go away if baby mommas and baby daddys were a little more selective in who they choose to make babies with? What a concept.
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I think people should be able to see into the future that the person they have children with are going to die in a car crash or cancer. Damn them!
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The single moms................what's the thread about? You have a horrible time keeping up with the thread. In fact, you make things about what YOU want them to be about.
Here's a fact: Decent jobs are available. DEal with it.
And if some baby daddy ain't paying child support? A simple phone call changes that - unless the guy isn't working.
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