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1. Rumors are that Freddie was hired because JD didn't want anyone that would clap back at him. Which seems to be the case with some of these weird roster moves we are seeing, if you asking me.

2. Every organization, runs top to bottom. Haslams are at the top. Just like Freddie being Dorseys failure, Dorsey is their failure. It all leads back to the owner, if you team doesn't win -your damned if you do and damned if you don't. That still lays at your feet, as you own the team. Fair, maybe not. But ill take the blame for a couple billion of dollars

You may want to give Pit a "heads-up"...

And to be fair to that, we have yet to see evidence Dorsey can do that here. He can build talent, but not a team.

Hey, free trip to Vegas?

I'm in as long as you're the one flying it and not the one landing it.

Let me put this on a level maybe even you can understand.

I've never flown a jet. How would you like to take a flight to Vegas this week-end with me as the pilot?

Yeah, I didn't think so. But, I mean just because I've never flown a jet doesn't mean I can't, right?

j/c

One last gripe, and I'll leave this awful experience in the past where it belongs.

One of the most frustrating things about last Sunday was that many of the teams Browns needed to lose did just that. CLE had a prime opportunity to advance their case for the post season and blew chunks like a cheap retread on I-75.

I always said the Browns were making the playoffs for sure if they win out. They controlled their own destiny.

Instead they once again embarrass themselves.

Apples and oranges my friend. Dorsey already made the choice to fly with Freddie.

After 12 games as a first time HC that's a lot of conclusions to draw.

Really late on this, but it's been an unbelievably long week, and this is my first chance to really sit down grab my laptop.

Really disappointed in the defense on Sunday, that's twice now that we got beat by undrafted rookies making their first start, c'mon man.

I like some of the things that Steve Wilks as done, but why in the hell do our corners make no play on deep balls? They always end up with their helmet in the chest of the receiver, it's either a flag, or the guy ends up with the ball. It's embarrassing, and it absolutely killed us.

I like Freddie, I think he can be a coordinator in the league a long time, but I don't think the players respect him. I think they like him a lot too. I think they like playing for him, but I don't think they respect him. Obviously, he doesn't have the cache built up that a guy who has been a head coach for 10 years has. Everyone has to start somewhere and prove yourself, but I don't think these guys have bought in.

I thought Baker hung in there with the bad hand, but he had a chance to do something special at the end of the game, and he had a bad throw. He's gotta get better. I think he will. It's tough with young quarterbacks. People rode Mitch Trubisky all year, and he's actually starting to play a little better. I think we gotta keep being patient.

There are a lot of things I just don't understand with this team, and it's so frustrating. Their problems aren't huge overwhelming issues. It's all this little stuff that snowballs into losing by a touchdown, losing by less than a touchdown, being in the game the whole time, and just falling short. The Seattle game, the Denver game, this last game. Just a bunch of stupid little stuff that can derail a season. They aren't doing every little thing that you see a Belichick-coached team do. The Patriots are not, and have not ever really been a dominant team. They aren't built like that. They just outdo you every game. They do all the little things. They aren't blowing out teams every week. With the exception of that last super bowl, all of their others were one score-last minute wins. It's more impressive than just steamrolling through the league. They just find ways to win. From Brady down to guys on special teams.

I don't know if there is a coach out there that can get that out of these guys. More than half the league is looking for that coach.

While I don't totally disagree with your opinion on Kitchens, I would like to remind you that Belichick went 6-10, 7-9 and 7-9 his first three years as an NFL HC.

I just think it's unrealistic for anyone, including Dorsey to think Freddie was going to come out gangbusters in his first year as a HC at any level, much less the NFL level.

I can't say whether they will give Freddie another year to see if he can right the ship or not. What I can say is that if anyone could not have seen this as a very possible scenario, they were pretty shortsighted.