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Stop guessing, Pit, for in my case, you'd be wrong. I have never pretended to be smarter than the guys who actually do the job. I admit to liking most of what Sashi was doing while at the same time hoping that Dorsey succeeds. Nothing wrong about wondering what Sashi could have accomplished. Maybe in the draft he would have traded out of the #1 spot and selected Josh Allen a few spots down. See how that works, Pit?

I see all 31 other NFL teams knew better and yet a few still claim to wonder.

I see how it works. Hindsight, conjecture and guesswork with zero substance to base any of it on.

How many times has Freddie stated the "should have run the ball" in various situations? It seems to me he is not learning from his mistakes, as all good coached should do, and it is showing up in the W/L column.

The problem you actually have is that there is zero evidence that Sashi had any ability to build a team. None.

JC. Sashi is gone. Hue is gone. Dorsey is here. Kitchens is here. How about we deal with what is instead of what was? Its beyond tiresome.

So is talking about another lost season. However, you can't be wrong speculating on alternative reality...

Then you and the 4-5 others who actually still care about Sashi - pro or con - should take it to PMs because the rest of us don't need it polluting every single football thread where it can be even tangentially related.

I know the saying. But absence of proof is also evidence.

It looks as though we may end up 8 - 8 .. after 7 - 8 -1 a year ago .. The difference ? A win vs Pittsburgh at home vs a tie. BUT .. The tie was against a BETTER Steelers team .. a team that had Ben, Conner, Ju Ju and Antonio Brown. Even with the Hue/Haley drama, the 2018 Browns were a probably better TEAM than the 2019 version. Who'd have thunk it ....

I hope they can get G Williams back if its possible just admit they made a mistake with FK and bring back a winning coach even malarkey was their for the taking and they hired an unknown guy over a winning coach, I was baffled over that but I,ve baffled since 99 ….and the craziness continues. Man there has to be someone out there to stop the bleeding you would think.

I'm afraid that will never happen.

Which doubly angers me because I saw no reason to change much of anything. I was perfectly fine with the idea of keeping things as they were at the end of that season and hiring a replacement DC. The smartest choice would have been to impose the least amount of shake-up to a bunch that was just starting to find itself.

That setup was working, and the team was rolling.
It wasn't broke, but Dorsey 'fixed' it anyway.

The minute the news broke that GWilliams was out and FK was the new HC, I had doubts. Not because of Freddie himself, but for all the same reasons we talk about all the time:

New everything, all over again.... just like every other time here in CLE dating back to Butch Davis.

When this 2019 team got put together at TC, I was already thinking/talking about an 8-8 team. There was simply too much of the Browns product that was new, untested and unproven.

New coaching staff (again, dammit)
New schemes
New high-profile moving parts (OBJ and FA's)
New O weapon combinations that need time to get worked out
New... well, you get the picture.

"Same as it ever was."

Dorsey assembled a Ferrari, placed it on the track, and handed the keys over to a first-time driver.

That's why Browns have always looked crazy to you (+ me) ever since '99... they just keep making the same boneheaded moves, generation after generation.

Truth be told- as much as I love this team and was intrigued by all the shiny parts Dorsey collected, I never really got too excited about what they might become for 2019.

It's super-frustrating right now, because our team has NEVER been this loaded with raw talent since The Return... and it's being squandered by a crew of strangers who don't seem to know how to use and develop them into a system that works, long-term.

It's really disappointing.
But it's not surprising.

We're Browns Fans, after all-

The problem you actually have is that there is zero evidence that Sashi had any ability to build a team. None.

Lol so you mean he wasn’t worried about his T-shirt fashion

Winners can run their mouths and dictate terms of the history of the battle. Coaching matters, agreed. So does preparation and mental toughness and other intangibles. They plated harder with more heart and desire. And I believe we had them. just crappy day. Again.

Regardless of how you look at our situation we have problems. I posted on another thread that I thought Freddie was a good gamble based on what happened last year. Sadly, it doesn't look that way now. We need a coach that commands respect, teaches discipline and holds the players accountable. I know John Dorsey hired Freddie but I can't blame him as I said the situation looked good when he did it. JD took a shot with Freddie and it didn't work out. Another thing I don't understand is why the Haslams are getting ripped? I haven't heard anything about them interfering. It seems like they gave control to JD and he has been making the decisions. All in all it looks like we will have a new coaching staff next year but I think there will be some interest because of the talent we have. It just needs to be utilized better with the addition of a few new players.