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Imagine Chubb behind a good run blocking line. Imagine Chubb with a good run scheme.

I love Nick Chubb.

i think just simply due to the makeup of this city and such, we have to keep chubb. i agree we need to lock him up quickly.

So you want to give Freddie credit for the player Nick Chubb is and was prior to coming to Cleveland? Got it

Let’s say for arguments sake I spot you Chubb and I’ll be generous and throw in Hunt, and we’ll credit Freddie for their performance.... let’s all stand and slow clap as you give Freddie the Coach of the Year Award because he managed to get 2 whole players out of 53 to be consistent. Bravo sir, Bravooooo.

Our line is good blocking, what are you saying here?

Give the guys credit, before Chubb came in we were already running the ball.

I wonder if that's why we don't run more? Do you think it has anything to do with keeping the opposing D guessing so we do better with the run?

After seeing how we run on third and short and at the goal line, I have no idea how that could be the conclusion you come to.

I hope you're joking... or maybe just high, lol

I know what they are doing, it is your guess as to the reasoning that I am questioning.

If you honestly believe that they are calling plays based on who they think the face of the franchise is or should be, then I think that you should seriously take a step back and reconsider your views of things. The entire notion is absurd, frankly.

Our tackles are NOT good. And we struggle to get any sort of push up front, at all. This is not an OLine that will blow people off the line.

I think our line, overall, is fine (they were downright good to end the year last year). I think each of the 5 starters are NFL-starter quality.

They are absolutely putting the ball in Bakers hands. Its been talked about on a wide range of media locally and nationally. IN key moments of the game - they are passing the ball. just about every key moment frankly. In fact, its pretty obvious. Run Chubb run chubb Run chubb, as soon as a key play comes up or its time to score - call a play for baker to make a throw.

They want Baker to be the hero, plain and simple.

That is a completely foolish conclusion. NOBODY, not even 13 year olds playing Madden, call plays just to let one player have their image boosted.
That is flat out one of the more ridiculous things I've read - and that is saying a lot given some of the things on here lately.

We all know how it ended.

They absolutely are putting in his hands because that is how the play-action game works... it goes through the QB, and they clearly don't feel we can run it effectively and consistently in a short-yardage situation. Their biggest failure is empty sets and even doing any of it without Chubb on the field because the run threat isn't as real without him there. When it is just Hunt, it is a given we are throwing out of the backfield and not running.

That is a completely foolish conclusion. NOBODY, not even 13 year olds playing Madden, call plays just to let one player have their image boosted.
That is flat out one of the more ridiculous things I've read - and that is saying a lot given some of the things on here lately.

Well they were not shy letting people think Freddie was named HC because of Baker, so...

And yes, I also think much of our game was designed to make Baker shine, Dorsey even went and got one of the best receivers of the history...

We all know how it ended.

Playaction doesnt work unless there is a threat to run the ball. So the play action game, technically goes through the RB. And frankly, we do not use Play Action nearly enough, so im not sure why you would even bring that up. We dont run play action in those situations i outlined. We run empty set, shovel passes, and QB sneaks.


Cool, multiple former players in the league have actually pointed this out - Jerrod Cherry being one, im sure being a SB winning NFL player his observations are that of a 13 year old, and yours are the final conclusion of whats actually happening.

Agree to disagree, ok. But to try to bash someone elses opinion that is actually very logical and has been stated by FORMER PLAYERS is well, beneath you. Foolish is your attitude - especially when just about every acquisition this year was to make Baker more comfortable and to give HIM opportunities to flourish.

Why did we hire FC? He wasnt qualified, but it was to appease Baker.

Why did we get Odell? Jaris before that? Hunt? This team was built for Mayfield to shine. If you dont think they want to showcase him, well... i have a beachfront condo in South Dakota i can sell you for the weekends.

Hold on. I gotta back up here... Former players pointed out that a memorandum was handed down to make sure Baker gets most of the numbers and accolades??? From whom? Jimmy?

As long as by 'gameplan' you mean when Freddie and Monken got together before the season, TC, etc and laid out "this is how we want the offense to look". The high-level scheme was certainly intended to showcase Baker throwing the ball to OBJ and others. Hilariously, we weren't built to do that. We didn't have the line to hold off a pass rush for forever while routes developed and Baker can see and pull the trigger. We didn't have the QB (as he is now) to handle execution of said offense. I think Baker can get there, but he's in his second year with his second or third offense/OC (feel free to debate this point), coming from an offense that highlighted not him, but the run game, and required him to quickly pull off simple reads and spread the ball around.

j/c

It's an odd thing to read some of these responses.

In the past fans have been upset because we didn't have quality WR's to support a young QB we drafted in order to give him the best chance to succeed. Now giving a QB those weapons is some conspiracy to make him the focus.

It's like my grandpa Dan Rosanna Danna said..... "It's always something."

I read the things you are writing and I keep seeing the Billy Madison academic decathlon in my head.


Yes, Baker is the centerpiece of the offense.
Yes, the offense is built around the QB... pretty much all of them are.

That is NOT the same as calling plays at the goalline to boost a players stats/image. Nobody does that. Nobody.