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Hey Baker .... play football and let actors do the commercials ... spend that extra time learning to NOT get tipped and NOT stare down and NOT run idiotic trick plays

Anybody watching this season has to ask themselves why baker still locks on 1 receiver and has trouble reading coverages.

That being said, we need new offensive coaches before we start wrecking baker too hard, even though he deserved to be wrecked.

Also, let’s just reflect for the entire season.

Is baker allowed to check out of plays, or anything of that nature? How much freedom does baker have in this offense?

These are all the same questions we've asked about every crappy QB the team has had since the return.

Not a good sign.

Baker has made some throws but it's like night and day to last year. I don't know enough about football to say why that is. All I can opine is, based on what I've watched, is I am befuddled by some of the play calling. A lot of plays look like rubbish if not executed well but what was that play with Hunt looking like he was going to pass?? It's not been an outlier either?

Baker has more talent in his pinky than all our last 10 QBs combined.

He needs good coaches, with good schemes, and an OL.

That could be true, and he could still not be any good.

And let's not forget elevator shoes and something to replace that scarecrow brain.

I don't think it helps your guy to run an empty backfield on nearly EVERY third and short or goal line play. QB has has to throw or run. Not enough options for him!
That's on Frederico!

But it's worked so terribly all year, defenses won't expect it and this time ..... Oh never mind.

Thanks. That was damn funny.

Personally it’s looked to me like Baker is trying to run a scheme he doesn’t believe in. Not so much I think he thinks it’s BS, but I think there’s so much about it that he doesn’t find intuitive like he did last year.

I think Bakers mechanics have been off all season and I think part of it is that he beefed up muscle and weight. We need a QB coach to help him fix that asap. You don't go from being that accurate to throwing floaters and INTs without a reason.

big difference from last year to this year... Baker had a legit QB Coach in Zampese. and this year its ex 3rd string QB Ryan Lindley handling the duties... plus he doesn't have 2 veteran QBs behind him in Tyrod Taylor and Drew Stanton. Its just this Garrett Gilbert. Too Many commercials, mechanics went bad and you dont have a veteran coach to tell him to work on the mechanics. Plus, I think Baker is upset that both Rashad Higgins and David Njoku are not on the field. ..and I personally dont think he cares for OBJ.

I was on board with all that except the part about the commercials. It was 2 days worth of filming.

Personally I find the commercials amusing

The commercials stick in my craw and I don't like them because [1] they are so numerous [2] Baker has not played well this year - but as was discussed in another thread, that's an emotive response and the reality is Baker probably filmed all of them inside of a few days.

I don't think that's beefed up muscle. . . . but hes definitely put on weight.

I agree...I saw him a week or so ago in a white t-shirt...and while not fat per say, he didn't look like he added muscle at all. Kind of has the appearance of someone not working out (athlete wise) imho

FK Mind: "Go Empty. This time we will fool them fer shure!"

I have to wonder what is going on indoors near his brain before some of these calls. Chubb gets lost again in the offense. Mayfield can't answer again (think he should have had one or two more picks).

We looked foolish; they made us look easy. We got secondary players frozen in place as they scored on us just before the half. Shopping for shiny new safeties? Tackles?

No, hes not fat, but hes put on a few LBS. I think was a few weeks ago, he was getting up on the field after being knocked down, and his stomach was hanging over his pants.

He looks like that 40 year old beer belly drunk cousin, that was a great HS football player and came back for the 15 year HS reunion. I can see that stache and a Budweiser in hand, burping and laughing about the ol' days, with wing sauce on that white Tshirt.

edit: already posted in another thread.

Perhaps his priorities changed after getting married.

Baker is a poor man's Andy Dalton

Yep, I will agree that I don't know enough Xs and Os or route trees or any of that.. but we seem to have two WRs in the same area a lot.. close enough that other defenders are able to peel off their guy and help with coverage. I don't know if that's the play design/call or the receivers making the wrong reads or Baker throwing into coverage when other guys are running wide open...

I am convinced it's because he hasn't had a true QB coach to work with him in this vital sophomore year. Lindley got the job out of pure nepotism. He has no prior experience that should allow him to be in charge of a #1 draft pick, potential franchise QB in their incredibly important 2nd year. One of many poor decisions by Freddie thus far this season. And, quite possibly his worst decision, yet.

thats pretty indigent

Can we address it today? What are we waiting for?

What's the hurry? What difference would one game make under an interim HC that won't be here next year anyway? It would just be doing something for the case of doing something that would accomplish nothing.

Agreed. WE can disagree with if Freddie should be let go at seasons end, but to let him go now is pointless.

I really won't disagree whether he is let go or not. But I would tend to believe he is gone.

You just can't end up with the results he has this season with this much talent on the roster and expect to be kept on as HC.

There's just too much money involved to let that stand.

You know my opinion on him. And I was a BIG Freddie guy.

But no matter what happens in the offseason, its pointless to fire him before the season is over.

Frankly, I would be all for keeping him record aside if he was at LEAST SHOWING some improvement on things that plaqued us early. But he just is not. The crazy timeouts, bad game management, how hes treated certain things with the roster, saying one thing and doing another, etc. There has been 0 progress from Freddie, and other than Chubb, there really has been 0 players getting better or progressing under him.

I really haven't see the progress one would hope for either.

j/c...

Still talking...

You keep hoping things will change.....

It grows VERY old to see OBJ’s antics, social media stuff from our QB, constant talk, etc when you LOSE ... if we win? Nobody cares and thinks it’s part of our edge

To get conversations moving forward with prospective successors rather than allowing them to sign elsewhere.

Weird....I see OBJ being minimal distraction, meanwhile I see Baker getting salty with media and having an arrogant attitude. I think OBJ is the least of our issues.

Smart candidates will wait to see which HC positions will open up and consider their offers before committing. Wanting him fired now is just a knee jerk reaction.