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My gawd ... The Jets and "crazy-eyes" Adam Gase just finished the season with a better record than the Browns.
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Give up 33 points to the bengals. Get a clue.
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Baker Mayfield resume two years in --
No playoffs.
Lost to a guy who never started a game.
Lost to a guy known for making duck calls.
Lost to a 3 win team.
Lost to a 1 win team.
Multiple multiple INT games.
Multiple INTs on game winning or tying drives the Browns had to have.
Multiple failures on game winning or tying drives.
Did not work in the off season.
Says he won't seek help this off season.
33rd ranked QB out of 32 teanms in the league in 2nd season.
Doesn't make game winning plays.
Plays his best only when executing scripted plays that were practiced.
Consistently demonstrates slow eyes. Takes way too long to go through progressions.
Appears to have no idea what is going on pre or post snap.
Stormed out of presser.
Repeatedly says dumb things.
#franchiseQB
#itsallcoaching
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Someone feel free to post his list of positives for comparison sake. I’d like to see your sources for the facts on Mayfield’s off-season workout schedule. Why do you post such nonsense? Mayfield got mad at Grossing for asking a nonsense question. He’s human.
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We need to do what Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and Dallas do, and invest in the OL. If we are going to go with Baker, and a downfield passing game, we need to OL to do it.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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The Final 3 games as a referendum on the whole season????????
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Boo!!!
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Ogunjobi deserves better teammates.
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Season overview as as whole, They Lost Myles Garrett, "Healthy"
Forever!!!! after a Steelers game win!!!
Can anyone even begin! to Fathom that? What the
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I think the final 3 games, as a group, are kind of a referendum on the future of staying the course,
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Sheldrick Redwine, Taki Taki, Mack Wilson, Greedy Williams..
JUST STOP! Trying to tell us as FANS! That "understudys" should be acting in lead roles,
I mean, we've been watching for 30 years, we ain't fooled by the team telling us that players who shouldn't see the field in more than "spot duty"
are every down players, but we get this, Continually.
The first 8 games were 2-6
The final 3 games were 0-3, it's Amazing this team found a way to win 6.
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The Final 3 games as a referendum on the whole season???????? The headline a few weeks ago was, "Kitchens safe, barring horrific collapse". I guess the players got the message. 
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Go back to the threads where Freddie got hired
He could do no wrong and if you questioned the hire the Homers jumped all over you I remember saying I could see us going anywhere from 4 - 12 to 11 -5, so I would compromise on 8 - 8, and was told I was stupid to think we would only do a half game better than 2018 when we had Hue here for half a season and far less talent.
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I said it all depended on Baker.
That's what the NFL is. It's all about the QB.
When you don't have one, you get double digit losses, season after season.
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I like Mayfield. I want him to succeed. But saying he is a “solid QB” is delusional. He was the worst ranked starter in the league. Right now, Daniel Jones is better. Gardner Minshew is better. Derek Carr, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and Ryan Fitzpatrick are better. I agree. In no way do I see him as a franchise QB. IMO, he is a back up at best.
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Disappointing loss. Gonna miss my Browns.
But I'm looking forward to see which new coach we get.
Fun day with my football crew. Everybody was cheering for Miami, then everybody was cheering for Falcons.
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Give up 33 points to the bengals. Get a clue.
I don't need to get a clue. The results speak for themselves. Now go ahead and write an essay that makes little to no sense telling me I'm wrong.
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The Final 3 games as a referendum on the whole season???????? The headline a few weeks ago was, "Kitchens safe, barring horrific collapse". I guess the players got the message. This is classic! Thank you Browns!
The Browns finally have a leader in the building. It won't be long before Jim Schwartz is in charge. Thankfully.
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We need 2 OT's and perhaps a RG.
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I like Mayfield. I want him to succeed. But saying he is a “solid QB” is delusional. He was the worst ranked starter in the league. Right now, Daniel Jones is better. Gardner Minshew is better. Derek Carr, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and Ryan Fitzpatrick are better. I agree. In no way do I see him as a franchise QB. IMO, he is a back up at best. Can we at least wait to see what Baker can do with actual NFL caliber competent coaching AND an offensive line that knows how to pass protect?
The Browns finally have a leader in the building. It won't be long before Jim Schwartz is in charge. Thankfully.
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I like Mayfield. I want him to succeed. But saying he is a “solid QB” is delusional. He was the worst ranked starter in the league. Right now, Daniel Jones is better. Gardner Minshew is better. Derek Carr, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and Ryan Fitzpatrick are better. This sums it up. BM is going nowhere and the new staff (if there is one) will be based on how they can coach him up. I agree. In no way do I see him as a franchise QB. IMO, he is a back up at best. Can we at least wait to see what Baker can do with actual NFL caliber competent coaching AND an offensive line that knows how to pass protect?
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I like Mayfield. I want him to succeed. But saying he is a “solid QB” is delusional. He was the worst ranked starter in the league. Right now, Daniel Jones is better. Gardner Minshew is better. Derek Carr, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and Ryan Fitzpatrick are better. This sums it up. BM is going nowhere and the new staff (if there is one) will be based on how they can coach him up. I agree. In no way do I see him as a franchise QB. IMO, he is a back up at best. Can we at least wait to see what Baker can do with actual NFL caliber competent coaching AND an offensive line that knows how to pass protect?
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Fun day with my...new 'friend'? Hopefully things went well...
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This team cashed it in when Myles bashed Rudolph in the head.
Redwine is horrible. The Oline is horrible. Landry was dogging it most of the day. Beckam just wanted his 1000. Randall only plays half the time, I think he has wanted out for weeks now. Baker just does not make plays when they are needed, IMO he is not a franchise QB.
Look for another turnover in staff and roster, and another subpar year next year. I can't take this for much longer. I'm actually glad the season is over, and I didn't even feel that way during 0-16.
Kitchens should be done, but only the Browns would keep him, so they will.
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another dumpster fire awaits... especially if new HC doesnt want John Dorsey. trade the following players for draft picks... OBJ, Landry, ...and it wouldn't suprise me.... Myles Garrett.
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Waiting on McCarthy or Rivera to arrive ASAP!
You know they won't hire either...
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Don't tell me, tell Dorsey...
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He refuses to take my calls . lol
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Actually He was the highest rated PP guard in nfl
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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This team cashed it in when Myles bashed Rudolph in the head.
Redwine is horrible. The Oline is horrible. Landry was dogging it most of the day. Beckam just wanted his 1000. Randall only plays half the time, I think he has wanted out for weeks now. Baker just does not make plays when they are needed, IMO he is not a franchise QB.
Look for another turnover in staff and roster, and another subpar year next year. I can't take this for much longer. I'm actually glad the season is over, and I didn't even feel that way during 0-16.
Kitchens should be done, but only the Browns would keep him, so they will. Baker wasn't throwing to OBJ or Landry, and it was evident that both OBJ and Landry were so much better than the Cincy CB's it was amazing how we could lose this game. OL can't be faulted when the QB can't recognize the pressure and make the D pay for blitzing... Baker is playing awful... kid is rattled and needs to regroup.
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I like Mayfield. I want him to succeed. But saying he is a “solid QB” is delusional. He was the worst ranked starter in the league. Right now, Daniel Jones is better. Gardner Minshew is better. Derek Carr, Josh Allen, Sam Darnold and Ryan Fitzpatrick are better. I agree. In no way do I see him as a franchise QB. IMO, he is a back up at best. The same guy who set the rookie TD record in 13.5 games last year? That guy? Absurd. He had a sophomore slump, coupled with terrible play calling.
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Stop with the excuses. It's Baker that made Freddie look bad! Can't you see man !
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Not comfortably, I assume.
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You know that's funny I remeber watching that play asking myself why the hell do we only have 3 down lineman on a goaline defense??..Oh that's why!! 
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Can we at least wait to see what Baker can do with actual NFL caliber competent coaching AND an offensive line that knows how to pass protect? No. Great or transcendent players make everyone else better - and overcome deficiencies instead of blaming them. If Baker needs a perfect situation to succeed (great coaching, great OLine AND great playmakers) then he's not very good. Everyone in the NFL could succeed in those circumstances. I hope Baker improves next season because I doubt we draft someone this draft, but after two years he is what he is - and that's the same guy I never wanted to draft b/c he's a short, hot-headed, 1-read, gimmicky gunslinger (none of which translates to NFL success) who is exactly that, a below average NFL QB.
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Another clear example of why Baker isn't a franchise QB.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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Another clear example of why Baker isn't a franchise QB. We could also argue that it wasn't the D throwing up the Int' and stinking up the field... Its also very possible that both the D and teh QB really sucked...
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Can we at least wait to see what Baker can do with actual NFL caliber competent coaching AND an offensive line that knows how to pass protect? No. Great or transcendent players make everyone else better - and overcome deficiencies instead of blaming them. If Baker needs a perfect situation to succeed (great coaching, great OLine AND great playmakers) then he's not very good. Everyone in the NFL could succeed in those circumstances. I hope Baker improves next season because I doubt we draft someone this draft, but after two years he is what he is - and that's the same guy I never wanted to draft b/c he's a short, hot-headed, 1-read, gimmicky gunslinger (none of which translates to NFL success) who is exactly that, a below average NFL QB. Baker should have been benched at least at the bye... it was clear he was rattled and regressing.
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Its also very possible that both the D and teh QB really sucked...
Ding ding ding. Imagine that.
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Another clear example of why Baker isn't a franchise QB. Shhhhh...that does not fit the "It's all Baker's fault" agenda.
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Fun day with my...new 'friend'? Hopefully things went well... I saw him yesterday, and will see him on Tues. 
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funny thing is is he was starting on another team, sadly, he'll probably have a 10 year career, Does That Tell you Coaching matters? Coaching matters, organization matters, not fixing what ain't broke matters, Telling New York to screw off as opposed to ever listening to a thing they have to say matters, having no new ideas on offense or defense matters, Watching tons of ex Browns on playoff teams and super bowl teams and know the Browns told me they weren't good enough to keep, matters, becoming your own best brand of a football team, Matters. This time last year, One year ago, We may not have had much, but this young Quarterback, He sure looked to have a big future in this league, and somehow at this point of "this" season, they've managed to make it look like he doesn't. CONGRATULATIONS BROWNS, you managed to have just "one" quarterback start all 16 games for the first time since Tim Couch. All I want for next year is NO FLIPPING SUPSENSIONS !!!
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Good grief...
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Another clear example of why Baker isn't a franchise QB. Shhhhh...that does not fit the "It's all Baker's fault" agenda. I just don't see what that has anything to do with Baker, sounds some are just trying to find some excuses....
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Are you guys drunk or just stupid? Maybe both.
It's possible that Freddie is a terrible coach (he is)
Our OLine is garbage (it is - thanks Lord Dorsey)
Our offensive weapons are self-serving divas (they are)
Our defense might be worst in the NFL (they were after Garrett went down, and will finish close to dead last in rushing defense)
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Baker Mayfield can still be a bad/below average QB who isn't the answer.
Pointing out the last point does not mean "it's all Baker's fault". It just means he isn't very good - and he's not.
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