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Not fair, we tried to run Chubb but just couldn't

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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
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Another damn thing Baker responsible for.

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Another damn thing Baker responsible for.


Baker? I believe Freddie calls the plays superconfused


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Another damn thing Baker responsible for.


Well for sure a 44.4% completion, 3 ints and not being able to score on Cincy didn't help....

Also don't think Chubb got to shoot any commercials this year, while last year he was already the best player in the team...

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Hey, you can't judge Baker too harshly this season lil fella considering he had a damn retard as head coach and play caller!

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Baker? I believe Freddie calls the plays superconfused

Sorry - sarcasm, fixed it for ya.

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Hey, you can't judge Baker too harshly this season lil fella considering he had a damn retard as head coach and play caller!


Along with Musical Chairs on the OL thumbsdown


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What. A. Decade.

2010: 5-11
2011: 4-12
2012: 5-11
2013: 4-12
2014: 7-9
2015: 3-13
2016: 1-15
2017: 0-16
2018: 7-8-1
2019: 6-10

Total record of 42-117-1. (.359 win %)

Somebody please save us from this misery that is #Browns football.

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Goodness


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg
What. A. Decade.

2010: 5-11
2011: 4-12
2012: 5-11
2013: 4-12
2014: 7-9
2015: 3-13
2016: 1-15
2017: 0-16
2018: 7-8-1
2019: 6-10

Total record of 42-117-1. (.359 win %)

Somebody please save us from this misery that is #Browns football.

https://twitter.com/MoreForYou_CLE/status/1211401937914122246

That's a .266 win %.

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Goodness


Oy vey. Oy vey I say....



Let this sink in..... On 12-31-23 it be will 123123.
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We pick top 10


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Freddie fired per Schefter and Mortensen


The Browns finally have a leader in the building. It won't be long before Jim Schwartz is in charge. Thankfully.
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
We pick top 10


Yes, either 9th or 10th


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Freddie fired per Schefter and Mortensen


Let it be true ... not that I care to see a man get fired but ...


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Another damn thing Baker responsible for.


In a way he is.

The Bengals were stacking the box and run blitzing the entire game because they didn't fear the pass.

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The Dolphins, who tried to tank and traded almost all their good players, are 5-11. The Browns, who sucked my soul from my body, are 6-10.


The New York Jets started out 1-7 and finished with a better record than the Browns.



With Adam Gase and Sam Darnold.

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Cleveland Browns fire Freddie Kitchens after one season

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/browns-fire-freddie-kitchens

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What. A. Decade.

2010: 5-11
2011: 4-12
2012: 5-11
2013: 4-12
2014: 7-9
2015: 3-13
2016: 1-15
2017: 0-16
2018: 7-8-1
2019: 6-10

Total record of 42-117-1. (.359 win %)

Somebody please save us from this misery that is #Browns football.

https://twitter.com/MoreForYou_CLE/status/1211401937914122246

That's a .266 win %.



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In a way he is.

The Bengals were stacking the box and run blitzing the entire game because they didn't fear the pass.


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Maybe if we had some o linemen who could block we would have run it more. In those thirteen runs I saw nick run into one hole. One! The rest of the time he had defenders hitting him before he even got to the los. Baker had very few downs where he dropped into a clean pocket. Freddie had to be wondering where the offensive line that kept baker clean and upright the last 8 games of last season had gotten. They sure were not on the field today.

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Is there really any reason to keep Wilks, either?


When a head coach is released, it's rare the new coach keeps many, if any of the previous coaching staff.


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I hope the new coach will consider keeping Mike Priefer. Monken and Wilks can go.

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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Conclusion/tinfoil hat theory: Freddie wanted out.


I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt as much as I could, but you go into competely/utterly meaningless game (preseason games had more impact on the season than this one), and dress 2 WRs that required surgery literally months ago, let Baker hold the ball and stare at god-knows-what before running the ball and taking hits, and don't give the ball to the 1 guy that actually has anything to play for.
Chubb lost the rushing title not to the #2 guy heading into week17, but the #3 guy. Henry picked up 200+ yards and had Chubb on the sidelines to get to #1.


Freddie did everything he could to get fired.


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I was at the game.

The defense completely mailed it in. A couple Mixon runs is all you needed to see. Baker sucked, but was trying. You don't scramble and take hits if you're not trying. His accuracy was terrible and he couldn't find receivers (held the ball). I can't comment on the Oline.

Receivers were open at times, but they mailed it in (arguably) worse than the D. You'd never have guessed we had OBJ and Landry out there based on how little they were getting open. Maybe their injuries caught up to them, but OBJ straight up jogged his route on that long INT. No joke, he ran like I do when I'm doing a slightly uptempo run.

The only person that looked like they gave a flip was Chubb, and he was basically sat down. I still can't believe that you leave the one guy that has anything to play for on the sideline.


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Receivers were open at times, but they mailed it in (arguably) worse than the D. You'd never have guessed we had OBJ and Landry out there based on how little they were getting open. Maybe their injuries caught up to them, but OBJ straight up jogged his route on that long INT. No joke, he ran like I do when I'm doing a slightly uptempo run.


Exactly. Everyone but apparently Rasta saw this.


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rasta saw how bad Mayfield played, and that's true.

But losing to the Bengals was a team disaster. Baker wasn't the one constantly calling passing plays against a run defense everyone else was somehow able to run all over.


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rasta saw how bad Mayfield played, and that's true.

But losing to the Bengals was a team disaster. Baker wasn't the one constantly calling passing plays against a run defense everyone else was somehow able to run all over.


I'm not sure Baker had the option to audible. I remember in the 4th quarter he made a call at the line, 3 Bengals shifted to the right (their left) leaving a wide area off tackle, there were several seconds to to make a change, but when the ball was snapped, Chubb ran to exactly where the bengals slid over to. It just made no sense. Add to that Chubb running to the short side to crowded short side of the field??

But yes, it was a team disaster. Lack of effort nearly all around. Lack of belief. Lack of even caring. AND Chubb misses out on the rushing title?

I said it before, this team didn't deserve Nick Chubb. Who knows if the team gave up on Freddie, but dang, at least try to help your guy accomplish something.


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Right. One would think (hope) that a rallying cry for the last game of the season would be to make sure your guy gets the rushing title.

But nope. Can’t even do that.


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“Not fearing the passing game” I guess led to three td passes including a couple of very nice accurate passes. Given the amount of time he spent trying to dodge oncoming d linemen. I think he did rather well.

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“Not fearing the passing game” I guess led to three td passes including a couple of very nice accurate passes. Given the amount of time he spent trying to dodge oncoming d linemen. I think he did rather well.


You are kidding right....

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Receivers were open at times, but they mailed it in (arguably) worse than the D. You'd never have guessed we had OBJ and Landry out there based on how little they were getting open. Maybe their injuries caught up to them, but OBJ straight up jogged his route on that long INT. No joke, he ran like I do when I'm doing a slightly uptempo run.


Exactly. Everyone but apparently Rasta saw this.



What I saw was several times baker throwing and not even looking or seeing what was in front of him.

1. Pass to Landry when Landry had fallen way before the pass was made
2. Screen pass to Hunt, when Hunt wasn't even looking back and was still moving
3. Pass to the inside to Landry after he made the cut to the outside
4.The Int to OBJ where he has 2 players on top from the start of the play.

There are many,many,many other plays like this through the season.

So that's evidence pointing to the fact that Baker is not seeing the field even when he is throwing, how do you expect to even see the field before.

And it was clear from the start that both Landry and OBJ are far, far, far superior to the Bengals DB's... how we lost this game is amazing.

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I know I tend to be to critical, but most of the times is just to make my point.

My feeling (and I hope I'm wrong) is that Baker is a one read one throw QB, take that one throw he can make in a play and he is completely ineffective.

But worst than being a one read one throw QB, is not being a smart QB, because a smart one read,one throw QB will adapt and react and change that one throw one read, but apparently Baker, even when it was evident that DC's were taking the first read out, couldn't adapt after 16 games.

You know a QB isn't very smart when you are in a 3rd and long and you start running...

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I do not have the film to back it up, but he seemed to force it into multiple covers inside. I often saw perimeter routes open by a fair amount that never got the ball. It seemed to happen regularly; it also seemed he was told which receiver to go to or had made up his mind early.

This kid needs coached up to do some important QB stuff that FK didn't develop much or help with some of his play sets. If he can't do that, despite his interview assertions, then he may well be just a talented bust. Better than mantel, but lots of deja vu. Make me a believer!


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Passes that came out early with the receiver not looking was generally due to the pass rush/guys all up in his business. I don't put that on Baker.

I did notice a fair amount of passes where he looked at 1 (and only 1) receiving option when (I think) he could've looked elsewhere.

But putting that long INT to OBJ on Mayfield is not the right take at all. Mayfield let the ball go before he could've seen that OBJ was taking the play off. If you wanna rag on a guy for passing the ball to a guy that's clearly checked out, then that's fine... but call it like it is. That INT was 100% on OBJ.


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