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If by some dumb set of circumstances we pick McDaniels, I sure hope we don't give him full control.
He hasn't proven he can coach a team much less control the team.
We need structure, we need someone the player will have immediate respect for, we need someone who understands what it takes and what they are getting themselves into.
The rumor is that he wants to bring in his own GM and structure. That's kind of why I don't want him. I'd rather not blow up another Front Office. Some have said McCarthy would not work under Dorsey either. Who knows what will happen after the dust settles.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... McDaniels was also the OC of the St. Louis Rams after his HC stint in Denver. How old was he with those teams I am 35, I began management at my current position at 31. I can assure you, am above and beyond a better manager and leader today, than I was just 4 years ago. Some people have an ability to learn to and adapt. Some dont (Freddie). Nothing about him says he cannot learn from his past. he also took a team to the playoffs with Tebow at QB - so I would hold his entire career at Den in against him.
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My first choice was Rivera.
Honestly, I think Jason Garrett would be a quality choice if he gets fired. I think so little of Dak Prescott and he has done wonders with him.
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If by some dumb set of circumstances we pick McDaniels, I sure hope we don't give him full control.
He hasn't proven he can coach a team much less control the team.
We need structure, we need someone the player will have immediate respect for, we need someone who understands what it takes and what they are getting themselves into.
The rumor is that he wants to bring in his own GM and structure. That's kind of why I don't want him. I'd rather not blow up another Front Office. Some have said McCarthy would not work under Dorsey either. Who knows what will happen after the dust settles. McCarthy was my #1 choice before Freddie was even let go - he's still my #1 and for McCarthy I'd absolutely let Dorsey walk if it meant landing him. . . . he's the only candidate I would do that for.
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Garret as an offensive coordinator - yes. Not as a HC imo. But he fits the bill of experienced HC and I'd look at him over a lot of the coordinators we are going to talk to.
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Who would you take over Garrett from this list?
Browns reported interview candidates:
-Josh McDaniels, Pats OC
-Greg Roman, Ravens OC
-Robert Saleh, 49ers DC
-Kevin Stefanski, Vikings OC
-Mike McCarthy, former Packers HC
-Brian Daboll, Bills OC
-Mike LaFleur, 49ers PGC
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Garret as an offensive coordinator - yes. Not as a HC imo. But he fits the bill of experienced HC and I'd look at him over a lot of the coordinators we are going to talk to. Apparently the entire Cowboys staff has been canned so there's more guys today searching for work.
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I don't know who the coach "should" be,
but I hope he either gives (belechic like) answers in press conferences,
Or animated off the cuff responses!
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Who would you take over Garrett from this list?
Browns reported interview candidates:
-Josh McDaniels, Pats OC
-Greg Roman, Ravens OC
-Robert Saleh, 49ers DC
-Kevin Stefanski, Vikings OC
-Mike McCarthy, former Packers HC
-Brian Daboll, Bills OC
-Mike LaFleur, 49ers PGC I would take Josh, Stefanski, McCarthy. Garrett has had a good bit of talent and has not succeeded with it. WE need a guy that get into the playoffs and WIN. not a perennial 8-8 guy.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... McDaniels was also the OC of the St. Louis Rams after his HC stint in Denver. How old was he with those teams I am 35, I began management at my current position at 31. I can assure you, am above and beyond a better manager and leader today, than I was just 4 years ago. Some people have an ability to learn to and adapt. Some dont (Freddie). Nothing about him says he cannot learn from his past. he also took a team to the playoffs with Tebow at QB - so I would hold his entire career at Den in against him. he did no such thing, Tebow was still in college when Mcdaniels took over Denver, it was jon fox that took a tebow team to playoffs
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he also took a team to the playoffs with Tebow at QB - so I would hold his entire career at Den in against him. No he didn't. That was John Fox. McDaniels was fired the year before.
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The point still stands though...
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McDaniels coached in Denver a decade ago at 33 years old. I have to imagine he has learned quite a bit in 10 years combined with that experience.
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no actually it doesn't....if you were bad, and you got a little better, how is that better than a guy who is good to begin with and can still be better..it's all about the floor
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The point still stands though... That we should hire John Fox as coach?
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McDaniels coached in Denver a decade ago at 33 years old. I have to imagine he has learned quite a bit in 10 years combined with that experience. thats all fine and Dandy, I just don't want that experiment tested here.
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The point still stands though... That we should hire John Fox as coach? Nooooo...that guys who apply things they've experienced can certainly improve and change. I though, dont care to have JM coach AND be general manager.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... McDaniels was also the OC of the St. Louis Rams after his HC stint in Denver. How old was he with those teams I am 35, I began management at my current position at 31. I can assure you, am above and beyond a better manager and leader today, than I was just 4 years ago. Some people have an ability to learn to and adapt. Some dont (Freddie). Nothing about him says he cannot learn from his past. he also took a team to the playoffs with Tebow at QB - so I would hold his entire career at Den in against him. he did no such thing, Tebow was still in college when Mcdaniels took over Denver, it was jon fox that took a tebow team to playoffs Your right. Ill was mistaken. he did go 8-8 with them, however - with far less talent than we have here.
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McDaniels has been with the Pats for the better part of 16 years... He's been OC for eight years. Talk about being on the "slow track".
Yet he thinks he should walk down a red carpet, be handed the keys to the franchise and somehow be the "football czar" the day he signs on the dotted line.
That would be about as "Browns" as it gets.
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If the "list" is accurate?
This screams no brainer.
Haslam one would believe must be thinking " I need an experienced head coach.
McCarthy is available. Not easy to get a shot at a guy who has won a Super Bowl. He has sustained success.
He has a strong offensive pedigree.
He has had a year off and has had time to reflect and recharge.
He has experience with Dorsey, Wolf and Highsmith.
Maybe other candidates will succeed but all of the others certainly have more risk.
Of the "hot" coordinators I would prefer Stefanski over McDaniels.
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yeah, and that would be why I wouldn't want him, if we brought him in to just coach, I could get on board and back him, but if we bring him in and give him the whole ship, I will just shake my head in disbelief. That's the kind of power and control one earns with a proven HC record. Something a guy like McCarthy or another long time, winning NFL HC may be able to command. Giving that kind of power to a crap shoot would be foolish.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I remember bringing up the "Mystery Box" scene from Family Guy last year around this time, when we had Gregg Williams who had just gone 6-2 and others wanted to go with some other exotic pick like Lincoln Riley, just because it represented something that "could" be better. Here's the scene if you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKZJdaiJF84McCarthy is this year's "boat". He's the established guy that taken teams to the playoffs multiple years. He would slide right into the current Front Office structure and be ready to go Day 1. Many of these other guys are the "mystery box". We don't know what we're getting, but hey! It might be a guy that could get us to the playoffs every year. We've always wanted one of those!
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Hiring andy reids OC is like hiring BB defensive coordinator...they aren't going to be successful.. I think this time around you pass on everyone that doesn't have HC track record... you have to know what you are getting. McCarthy, Caldwell, Gruden, or even Del Rio..but get a guy you can look at experience..McCarthy is the no brainer here. Marty diciple, offensive guru, 3 losing seasons in 13 years and won 135 games...I'm not even sure why this is debatable, usually guys like this don't last long on the market. He has same winning percentage as Andy Reid and a better playoff record than Reid...how many people wouldn't mind Reid coming here? Oh and he's never lost to the browns..lol Doug Peterson would tend to disagree with this statement.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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God I don't understand the Mcdaniels love...dude has failed every single position that wasn't at NE All 1 of them ... *LOL* ... McDaniels was also the OC of the St. Louis Rams after his HC stint in Denver. How old was he with those teams I am 35, I began management at my current position at 31. I can assure you, am above and beyond a better manager and leader today, than I was just 4 years ago. Some people have an ability to learn to and adapt. Some dont (Freddie). Nothing about him says he cannot learn from his past. he also took a team to the playoffs with Tebow at QB - so I would hold his entire career at Den in against him. I was merely pointing out that McDaniels was not just with one other organization outside NE. Nowhere, did I insinuate McDaniels has not grown as a coach or could not. In fact, I have no problem at all if the Browns hire McDaniels. *Nor do I have any issues with McCarthy or Stefanski.
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Who would you take over Garrett from this list?
Browns reported interview candidates:
-Josh McDaniels, Pats OC
-Greg Roman, Ravens OC
-Robert Saleh, 49ers DC
-Kevin Stefanski, Vikings OC
-Mike McCarthy, former Packers HC
-Brian Daboll, Bills OC
-Mike LaFleur, 49ers PGC All.
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Hiring andy reids OC is like hiring BB defensive coordinator...they aren't going to be successful.. I think this time around you pass on everyone that doesn't have HC track record... you have to know what you are getting. McCarthy, Caldwell, Gruden, or even Del Rio..but get a guy you can look at experience..McCarthy is the no brainer here. Marty diciple, offensive guru, 3 losing seasons in 13 years and won 135 games...I'm not even sure why this is debatable, usually guys like this don't last long on the market. He has same winning percentage as Andy Reid and a better playoff record than Reid...how many people wouldn't mind Reid coming here? Oh and he's never lost to the browns..lol Doug Peterson would tend to disagree with this statement. Nick Saban, Florres seems like a good coach so far, Bill Obrien, Vrabel never coached for him, but played for him and has done very well in Tenn.
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Hiring andy reids OC is like hiring BB defensive coordinator...they aren't going to be successful.. I think this time around you pass on everyone that doesn't have HC track record... you have to know what you are getting. McCarthy, Caldwell, Gruden, or even Del Rio..but get a guy you can look at experience..McCarthy is the no brainer here. Marty diciple, offensive guru, 3 losing seasons in 13 years and won 135 games...I'm not even sure why this is debatable, usually guys like this don't last long on the market. He has same winning percentage as Andy Reid and a better playoff record than Reid...how many people wouldn't mind Reid coming here? Oh and he's never lost to the browns..lol Doug Peterson would tend to disagree with this statement. Brad Childress, marty Mornhinweg, pat shurmer agree with me...this is a fun game...who else you got
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to add to my point about Reid...strangely enough, the people with the most success from his staffs are all on defense
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Who would you take over Garrett from this list?
Browns reported interview candidates:
-Josh McDaniels, Pats OC - Just say no.
-Greg Roman, Ravens OC
-Robert Saleh, 49ers DC (Too soon for HC gig)
-Kevin Stefanski, Vikings OC
-Mike McCarthy, former Packers HC - No one is above this guy on my list
-Brian Daboll, Bills OC - this is sort of a push. It'd have to be on the interview
-Mike LaFleur, 49ers PGC See above. I'd take Garrett ahead of the guys in White.
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Hiring andy reids OC is like hiring BB defensive coordinator...they aren't going to be successful.. I think this time around you pass on everyone that doesn't have HC track record... you have to know what you are getting. McCarthy, Caldwell, Gruden, or even Del Rio..but get a guy you can look at experience..McCarthy is the no brainer here. Marty diciple, offensive guru, 3 losing seasons in 13 years and won 135 games...I'm not even sure why this is debatable, usually guys like this don't last long on the market. He has same winning percentage as Andy Reid and a better playoff record than Reid...how many people wouldn't mind Reid coming here? Oh and he's never lost to the browns..lol Doug Peterson would tend to disagree with this statement. Brad Childress, marty Mornhinweg, pat shurmer agree with me...this is a fun game...who else you got out of sheer statistics - how many guys succeed as HC in the NFL? How many teams have had successful HC that have retired as HC? 10? 15? Im curious. how many other HOF HC have had guys fail when they moved on? You seem to think there is some proven scientific method of hiring a HC. Theres not. Many HC have failed. and then gone on to be great. Bill B was one of them. You look at resume, style, coaching strategy, and personal attitude. Many things go into being successful as a HC. Some of these guys had them, some have not. To think that just because someone coached somewhere under someone they are gong to fail is well , idiotic. These are ALL individuals.
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It really doesn't matter who we hire.
The Cleveland Browns: Where coaching careers go to die ..... but hey, at least you got a 4 year deal!
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McDaniels is the only guy who used Tebow talents correctly. I’d be good if the Browns went with him as HC. Discipline is what’s missing imo. McDaniels actually never really used Tebow. So if you mean he used his talents correctly by keeping him on the bench, sure.
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the year he had tebow he didn't even finish the year before he was fired at 3-9
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the year he had tebow he didn't even finish the year before he was fired at 3-9 We gotta get this guy!
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the year he had tebow he didn't even finish the year before he was fired at 3-9 We gotta get this guy! normal franchise would get the guy thats won a superbowl and 135 games, Jimmy will get the shiny thing hoping to strike oil from a waterspout
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the year he had tebow he didn't even finish the year before he was fired at 3-9 We gotta get this guy! normal franchise would get the guy thats won a superbowl and 135 games, Jimmy will get the shiny thing hoping to strike oil from a waterspout What has been the success of Super Bowl winning coaches after they have been fired?
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Holmgren the coach? absolutely... Holmgren the GM..pass
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