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My 8-Ball was all in favor of Freddie!

It's now, 8 the hard way. After throwing it on my driveway, it's 2, 4-Balls.

Are we talking about posters or the Browns FO being unanimously on board? The FO *may* have been? This board was most definitely not ... when someone first said Freddie was a candidate I think I basically said it was impossible or insane to think he was a candidate. . . . I wanted GW - as did many. I'd say most posters didn't 'want' Freddie .... but I think all posters said they would support him 100% once the decision was made.

I recall a good part of the board liked Fred but leaned towards William's being retained. Fred wasn't the reason for success last season and I'm not overly upset we didn't retain GW. We SHOULD however be entering season two of more solid situation!!!

With the amount of coaches we have had and the piss poor quality of them, I don't think there is a single board member that hasn't been wrong about a coach at one time or another. So its not really a good thing to gloat about either, that you were right about Freddie. I am sure you were wrong about others. J/S

Actually, Ill go more into it.

McCarthy was my first choice last year, after that - ANY scenario that kept Freddie and Baker together.

When Freddie was hired, I was behind it as it kept Baker and Freddie together.

I think most people thought that way. We believed that Freddie could adapt and learn to become a HC. It was obvious he could not, and the Haslams even alluded to that in their statement.

At this point, honestly WHO CARES? Do some of you get off about being right on a over a decision that has literally WASTED a year of our fandom? There are people that have DIED literally DIED watching this mistake, and will not get the chance to see this team have a successful season because of that.

But hey, yall were right

I have no clue, that's Diam's point, I'm just making a joke.

The thing is the FO wasn't, theres been plenty of articles about how FO wanted Stefanski and Dorsey flexed his muscle to get kitchens

Well just what are we supposed to call you mEnZas?

Only if you choose to read it that way.

How so? Im not saying it means hes not going to be here, but it def. says they don't want him in front of cameras today - which leans that they maybe mulling over his position with the team.

Its not a good look.

Like I said, only if you choose to read it that way. A host of things may have come up more important than feeding the media squirrels.

Actually, if you decided to read it the opposite way it would be just as easy. Since Freddie was fired, if Dorsey was going out with him, you would have expected that announcement sooner rather than later. Like today. The fact that the press conference was postponed means that Dorsey is more likely to stay on.

See how easy it is to speculate about nothing?

and? by that token it could have been given to Williams as well. And freddie was hired and made Assistant HC by Hue. not to mention it was a guideline not a rule, and he was in favor of stefanski as was others

would anyone be shocked if Dorsey is fired and Highsmith promoted

That one is intriguing.

I would have been before the cancellation of the PC and before the announcement regarding Highsmith ... might be total coincidence, or it may be significant? ... though to be honest it would be really stupid to promote Highsmith. If we are looking to make a change - wait and ask your new HC who he wants. It might be the difference between getting who you really want and getting your next best HC.

yeah the timing is what gets me, they say they pushed for HC meetings...cause they really couldn't work around an hour PC?

Not really. I don't think they know what they are doing yet (haslams).

I think (based on the fact they are interviewing everyone under the sun) they are keeping ALL options open. Which is why they are not putting JD out there.

Its called deductive reasoning. If JD is 100% safe, they would have him out there to show a unified front office.

All signs point to that they are keeping their options open - and if they get their socks blown off buy a HC that wants a different GM, they are going to entertain that idea.

I find it funny how ANYTHING someone says or post you assume we are acting like its fact. Its a message board. ITS ALL SPECULATION. anything you post on it, speculation, anything I am posting - speculation.

Regardless of the speculatation though, not having the presser is a bad look. That is fact. It maybe very the fact if was something else he had to do and explainable - that I will concede. That still doesn't change its a bad look. Theres no turning that part around. Speculation either way, yes. Bad look, absolutely.

I would say the FO situation is fluid until the HC position if filled..

Obviously you're definition of deductive reasoning matches my definition of pure speculation.

I don't know if it's a bad look or not, but it's not positive. Certainly at least, intriguing...

It's what someone wants to see.

I think you should read a dictionary. Deduction reasoning is using statements or facts that lead to a conclusion. Speculation is not using anything and just floating out an idea.

Using the fact they cancelled is Presser, and the reports that they are high on JM who would want his own GM, and other reports to back that - I came to my reasoning that cancelling the presser is a bad look for his safety.

You simply only give your speculation that I am wrong, with nothing to actually back it up other than "well, it COULD be the other thing" - which would be speculation on your part.

Good try though.

anything that's not positive in a business setting - is bad.

The insinuation here is hysterical.

J/c

Dorsey’s presser has been moved? Hmm

JMO, It could be something as minor as, since the media will want to know who is meeting and when, getting their ducks in a row. It could mean the team gave priority to filling interview schedules than a Dorsey press conference.....it could be a myriad of things.

That said, I was listening to the radio this afternoon and our good friend, JLC, didn't seemed surprised to hear about the press conference being cancelled. He said, the HC is a big player to someone like Dorsey staying. So there is that.

My personal opinion, I hate hearing that a HC candidate dictates the FO moves or lack thereof. Dorsey is so overrated on here, but his job should not be decided by the HC candidate. You either want him to stay or you don't. Make the decision based on what you've already witnessed first-hand....not the demands of a hot-named HC candidate.

I hate that too. For a Head Coach to be able to dictate who his GM is, he better have the esteem of someone like Bill Parcells, Andy Reid, etc. McCarthy is the only one even close to having prestige enough to be making demands like that. And he's the one that would probably leave the Front Office intact. Josh McDaniels and all the other first time HCs should not be dictating who's in the Front Office.

I think it's more of a two-edged sword. You don't want your new coach set up with a FO person/group they're not going to work well with. It's at least a consideration when you're conducted your HC search.

I understand the double-edged sword analogy. But it's been my long-standing belief that a coach should stay in their own lane and the same goes with the personnel staff regarding who plays on gameday. A coach dictating the person they want to make their FO moves (usually because they have some level of control over that) and vice-versa doesn't seem to be a good thing, organizationally.

I think the Browns have seen many examples of these scenarios that do not end well.

GM John Dorsey has a meeting today with owner Jimmy Haslam and his job status appears to be in serious doubt, sources tell me and
@MikeGarafolo
. Everything is under evaluation after a disappointing season and that includes the GM.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1212081884194361347

Haslam is about to fire our best GM in our pathetic expansion era.

Sounds like the Nobles are forcing the Magna Carta on King John ...

opens the door to hire McCarthy

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
· 2m
Browns and John Dorsey are “leaning towards” parting ways today, sources tell @mortreport and me, but this is a fluid and not final situation. Dorsey is meeting today with Browns’ owner Jimmy Haslam to finalize details. Signs pointing to the end for Dorsey.

Having been alluding to this for two days, and getting accused of sour grapes. Dorsey wasn’t perfect but him getting fired is beyond ridiculous.

https://twitter.com/JoeBanner13/status/1212084042146951169

I hope so!