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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
People who think it is extreme are extreme.

Smart people can figure out an industry. We have people in the NFL for their whole careers that are getting it wrong or at best aren't efficient in it, both in coaching and personnel.


How many other teams use people at top positions that developed their careers solely in baseball or another sport? If there are others, I honestly/sincerely want to know... even though I think I already know (but I always reserve the right to get smarter).


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Using a homosexual slur is very "adulting" of you.

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The bigger joke is that he's completely fabricating what he's accusing him of. There's no indication anywhere that Depo went crying to Haslam to get Dorsey fired. The only reports I've seen was that Haslam wanted to can Kitchens after the disastrous results that were apparent to everybody, and that him and Dorsey were directly butting heads after that.

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Originally Posted By: mac
Give me someone with 20 yrs Baseball experience attempting to learn the NFL for 4 seasons...

VS...

Someone with decades of experience in the NFL...

...this is a no brainer memp.

Besides, depo is showing that he is not a team player working in the front office, willing to play 'BUTT-BOY'...crying to owner when he doesn't get his way.

The Browns have had nothing but problems in the front office vs the coaching staff since Haslam hired Depo.

Depo record as a NFL talent evaluator speaks for itself.

This is about the dumbest post I have ever seen. You have 0 input or idea what goes in the FO, and frankly, all reports are that John Dorsey is not the team player ,maybe pick up an article and read something for once, instead of spewing idiotic hate.

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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
People who think it is extreme are extreme.

Smart people can figure out an industry. We have people in the NFL for their whole careers that are getting it wrong or at best aren't efficient in it, both in coaching and personnel.


How many other teams use people at top positions that developed their careers solely in baseball or another sport? If there are others, I honestly/sincerely want to know... even though I think I already know (but I always reserve the right to get smarter).


It's always good to reserve the right to get smarter. Some people in NFL analytics didn't even have a sports background. Feel free to read up.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/28/nfl-an...anning-charting

the article is two+ years old so I do not know who is around or not. However, it tells you the approach and where the people came from. Analytics is here to stay.

"Adapt or die"


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I promise that I will read that article, but I can't right now. It's even queued up for me so I won't forget.

But you say 'people in NFL analytics'. We're talking about top FO positions. Positions of leadership that directly affect the team/people on the field (GM, PP, HC, etc).
Those people, on pro football teams, come from football.

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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
I promise that I will read that article, but I can't right now. It's even queued up for me so I won't forget.

But you say 'people in NFL analytics'. We're talking about top FO positions. Positions of leadership that directly affect the team/people on the field (GM, PP, HC, etc).
Those people, on pro football teams, come from football.


I'd argue "people in analytics" directly affects team/people on the field based on what they are asked to compile. Whether or not they have a FO position or how seriously their info is taken into consideration is something I cannot confirm. Some people in the article were promoted by a Gm that believed in anaytics, some came from outside organizations. If you are asking me if they are currently the Chief Strategy Officer for their respective organization like DePo, I don't think that is the case. And if that is your question, I think it is the wrong one.


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Not trying to speak for Mac - only he knows what he meant - but I never thought of "butt-boy" as a gay slur. The (few) times I've used it, it was with the idea that it meant a sychophant, or lackey.

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Depo played football in college and interned in the CFL before he ever got into professional baseball.


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IMO ... intelligence is an over valued asset, whereas experience is an undervalued asset today.

This was not always the status quo.

Knowledge is more important then potential knowledge, every day of the week ... and twice on Sunday's.

I don't think that one has to be a former player, but experience is key, and experience is not something that can be purchased with intelligence.


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Not trying to speak for Mac - only he knows what he meant - but I never thought of "butt-boy" as a gay slur. The (few) times I've used it, it was with the idea that it meant a sychophant, or lackey.


Which one of you attempted to imply that butt boy means anything but a "BROWN NOSER"?

No one on this board has ever heard me use a gay slur against anyone...never.


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Not trying to speak for Mac - only he knows what he meant - but I never thought of "butt-boy" as a gay slur. The (few) times I've used it, it was with the idea that it meant a sychophant, or lackey.


Which one of you attempted to imply that butt boy means anything but a "BROWN NOSER"?

No one on this board has ever heard me use a gay slur against anyone...never.


It's a metaphor / idiom ... at least it used to be *L*


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Since Haslam added Depodesta to his front office, there has been nothing but friction between the front office and coaches on the field.

Depodesta did run to Haslam and anyone not believing that is how Haslam came up with the idea of limiting Dorsey's power within the frachise...you folks just don't want to admit the obvious in an attempt to portray Depodesta as something he is not.

After just 4 yrs of NFL experience, Depo believes he is ready to expand his power over talent acquisition of NFL player and HCing talent.

Anyone remember when it was implied that the Haslams were taking a step back, away from the franchise...THAT WAS A LIE!

The bottom line as to why Haslam is in love with Depodesta...it gives Jimmy a back channel enabling him to keep his fingers all over the franchise while claiming he is not.


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Not trying to speak for Mac - only he knows what he meant - but I never thought of "butt-boy" as a gay slur. The (few) times I've used it, it was with the idea that it meant a sychophant, or lackey.


Which one of you attempted to imply that butt boy means anything but a "BROWN NOSER"?

No one on this board has ever heard me use a gay slur against anyone...never.




It's a metaphor / idiom ... at least it used to be *L*


FL...were you the one implying I was using Butt-Boy as a gay slur?

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Which one of you attempted to imply that butt boy means anything but a "BROWN NOSER"?


This is called walking it back.



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It's a common gay slur.

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FL...were you the one implying I was using Butt-Boy as a gay slur?


Maybe you meant it as a compliment?


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brown noser
synonyms - similar meaning - 4

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butt kisser


blue-eyed boy


butt-boy


brown-noser


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
It's a common gay slur.


I strongly suggest you click the link I posted!


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Originally Posted By: MemphisBrownie
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Which one of you attempted to imply that butt boy means anything but a "BROWN NOSER"?


This is called walking it back.





And ^this^ is called a straw man.


straw man
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an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

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It's a common gay slur.


ocd...try this link...

https://www.powerthesaurus.org/butt-boy/synonyms


butt-boy
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yes-man


n.
informal
doormat


n.
sock puppet


exp.
ass kisser


n.
slang
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vulgar
ass-kisser


n.
slang
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vulgar
flunkey


n.
offensive
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slang
flunky


n.
slang
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kiss-ass


n.
slang
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lackey


n.
follower
running dog


n.
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stooge


n.
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toadie


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suck-up


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Originally Posted By: mac
Since Haslam added Depodesta to his front office, there has been nothing but friction between the front office and coaches on the field.

Depodesta did run to Haslam and anyone not believing that is how Haslam came up with the idea of limiting Dorsey's power within the frachise...you folks just don't want to admit the obvious in an attempt to portray Depodesta as something he is not.

After just 4 yrs of NFL experience, Depo believes he is ready to expand his power over talent acquisition of NFL player and HCing talent.

Anyone remember when it was implied that the Haslams were taking a step back, away from the franchise...THAT WAS A LIE!

The bottom line as to why Haslam is in love with Depodesta...it gives Jimmy a back channel enabling him to keep his fingers all over the franchise while claiming he is not.
If its such common knowledge, surely one as yourself can provide a link to that information.....

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Depodesta did run to Haslam and anyone not believing that is how Haslam came up with the idea of limiting Dorsey's power within the frachise.
Dorsey is the reason his power was to be limited, and Dorsey's alone.

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After just 4 yrs of NFL experience, Depo believes he is ready to expand his power over talent acquisition of NFL player and HCing talent.
Once again, please show me a link of Depo coming out and saying this. Otherwise, please tell me when you received your mind reading powers.

Its been reported, over and over, Depo's title and duties are going to stay the same. He will be apart of the committee to hire the HC, as he was last time around.

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The bottom line as to why Haslam is in love with Depodesta...it gives Jimmy a back channel enabling him to keep his fingers all over the franchise while claiming he is not.
I think you need to keep your fingers off the whacky stuff, as you are over the rails.

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willie...did you listen to Haslam's presser>

I posted the link for you..

At the 9:55 mark Haslam begins talking about how decisions are made by the Browns and he clearly put Depo at the top of food chain as being one of the core front office types "he listens to".

Also for everyone...Haslam's presser, he never once indicated that any decision made by the Browns has been made "one individual"?

...he spoke of and named all of those who are part of the decision making process. All these claims that past HCs decided on what coaches might be hired or which players were drafted was never done by a HC or any individual, other than Jimmy Haslam, who drafted Manziel and hired Hue Jackson on his own.



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Originally Posted By: mac
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Originally Posted By: mac
Originally Posted By: Dave
Not trying to speak for Mac - only he knows what he meant - but I never thought of "butt-boy" as a gay slur. The (few) times I've used it, it was with the idea that it meant a sychophant, or lackey.


Which one of you attempted to imply that butt boy means anything but a "BROWN NOSER"?

No one on this board has ever heard me use a gay slur against anyone...never.




It's a metaphor / idiom ... at least it used to be *L*


FL...were you the one implying I was using Butt-Boy as a gay slur?


No! Just the opposite mac


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1. Its hysterical watching u get eaten up by your PC friends over the butt boy post ... *LOL* ...

2. Depo ain’t the problem .... the thief and Dee are ...

3. We best pray were wrong cause we’ve gone from the factory of sadness to the factory of analytics .... at the end of the day there One in the same ...

Being the league’s analytical guinea pig oughta end well ... rolleyes ...




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Originally Posted By: mac
willie...did you listen to Haslam's presser>

I posted the link for you..

At the 9:55 mark Haslam begins talking about how decisions are made by the Browns and he clearly put Depo at the top of food chain as being one of the core front office types "he listens to".

Also for everyone...Haslam's presser, he never once indicated that any decision made by the Browns has been made "one individual"?

...he spoke of and named all of those who are part of the decision making process. All these claims that past HCs decided on what coaches might be hired or which players were drafted was never done by a HC or any individual, other than Jimmy Haslam, who drafted Manziel and hired Hue Jackson on his own.



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DID YOU LISTEN TO IT??? He clearly said his role and title are NOT changing. He never had authority over the roster, and still does not have authority over the roster. Yet you posted he did. Your making up garbage to suit your own hate and agenda. Get off it, be gone.

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1. Its hysterical watching u get eaten up by your PC friends over the butt boy post ... *LOL* ...

2. Depo ain’t the problem .... the thief and Dee are ...

3. We best pray were wrong cause we’ve gone from the factory of sadness to the factory of analytics .... at the end of the day there One in the same ...

Being the league’s analytical guinea pig oughta end well ... rolleyes ...


lol, analytical guinea pig huh..someone better tell the rest of the NFL they aren't using analytics..older article, but :

http://www.theq5.com/power-rankings-for-nfl-analytics/





Power Rankings for NFL Analytics
Analytics, Moneyball, Metrics…..

The bottom line in professional sport is and always will be the scoreboard. Two numbers compared to each other when the contest has concluded. Pretty simple. Not too confusing.

Attention: NFL Analytics Power Rankings Below

What is analytics? A few definitions:

1) The method of logical analysis or the field of data analysis.

2) The discovery, interpretation, and communication of meaningful patterns in data.

Described as especially valuable in areas rich with recorded information, it relies on the simultaneous application of statistics, computer programming and operations research to quantify performance. Analytics often favors data visualization to communicate insight.

Each day, NFL teams are trying to apply analytics to on-field data in an attempt to predict and improve their output – the scoreboard. This gets into the areas of both predictive and reflective analytics. They study past historical data to research potential trends, analyze the effects of certain decisions or events and to evaluate the performance. Analytics is multidisciplinary. It includes math and statistics, models to analyze data and visualizations as a means of communication. The insights are used to guide decision-making and help recommend courses of action.

Do analytics have the attention of teams, fans and ownership? Yes, but it is the “how” they are attempting to leverage it that catches my attention. Mike Tanier’s recent article at Bleacher Report.com brings a few insights to the table.

The key issue is the interface between the coaches, executives and the analytics. How do these groups communicate and do they trust each other? If there is an advantage to be had, people will do it. If the road looks as if it is going to be bumpy and long – it probably will not be traveled by all involved. The road can look that way due to the barriers of communication and personalities. Analytics people are dominantly left brained while coaches are dominantly right brained (more on this at the end)

Now presenting…..

POWER RANKINGS FOR NFL ANALYTICS DEPARTMENT (version 1.0)

Teams, Leadership and Comments: Rankings based on personnel, team comments and level of influence.

Note: Research for this list has revealed many clubs that no longer have people with a title of analytics. Examples include the Packers, Seahawks and Ravens. Others have just formally begun the process – most recently the Colts. Do enjoy and this will show up again as more information unfolds during training camp.

1) New England Patriots: Ernie Adams

Conducts football research, including statistical evaluations, since 2000. The best football background of any player in this area, Adams spent more than 10 years as a coach and pro personnel director. Lives in the shadows – think 2007 Spygate scandal. (More here)

The late Browns owner Art Modell notably quipped “I’ll pay anyone here $10,000 if they can tell me what Ernie Adams does.” He does good work and it matters to the Patriots. Industry leader that we all know little about. Exactly how the Patriots want it.

2) Denver Broncos: Mitch Tanney

Reigning Super Bowl champs – you get instant cred in this pole especially if you are on the headset with the head coach during games. Can an “analytics guy” put himself in a better position? Not really. Rising star who could ride this current wave far… very far. He is a football guy with a degree in mathematics.

Kubiak: “I’ve got Mitch out there with me. If we’re moving the ball or we’re doing formatting, I’ve got Mitch with me because he’s going to be on the headset, so we’re trying to practice. Everything’s going to happen on game day.”

From Broncos.com: A former quarterback at Monmouth College, Tanney was named the 2005 Midwest Conference Offensive Player of the Year as a senior in addition to finishing as a runner-up for Division III Player of the Year.

From 2006-09, Tanney worked as an assistant coach at Monmouth while continuing his playing career in various professional football leagues (AFL, AF2, IFL, Swedish SuperSeries).

Tanney graduated from Monmouth Summa [censored] Laude in 2006 with a Bachelor of Arts in Mathematics and Spanish. He received his MBA from the University of Iowa in 2011.

Elway before hiring Tanney: “I’m a numbers guy. I know the power they have, but we’re still trying to develop a role for it. I have a lot of résumés from people who want to help us put that together, but I would say we understand it can be a tool and we’re trying to develop what it will be and what it will do for us.”

3) Kansas City Chiefs: Mike Frazier

Title: Statistical Analysis Coordinator.

Mike Frazier finished his third year as the Chiefs Statistical Analysis Coordinator. He arrived in Kansas City in 2013 after spending 10 seasons in the same role with the Philadelphia Eagles. He assists Head Coach Andy Reid and the Chiefs coaching staff with player statistics, situational analysis, as well as team and league-wide trends.

Frazier joined the Eagles following his graduation from The College of Wooster in Wooster, Ohio (1999-03). While completing his undergraduate degree, Frazier held internships with Smith Barney and Wachovia Securities. He also interned with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2002 where he worked with Reid, Chiefs Spread Game Analyst/Special Projects coach Brad Childress and a number of current Chiefs assistant coaches who served on the Eagles’ coaching staff.

4) Cleveland Browns: Paul DePodesta and company

Title: Chief Strategy Officer

All eyes on Cleveland. This is the litmus test for full organizational buy-in. Back in January, the Browns hired analytics guru Paul DePodesta away from the Mets and named him Chief Strategy Officer.

Mix in an impatient owner Jimmy Haslam and a new head coach Hue Jackson. When Jackson was hired this offseason, he became the team’s fourth head coach in the five years Haslam has owned the team. Hardly a “build for the long-term” mentality.

The concern from those in the analytics world is that if the Browns fail the rest of the league has their justification for staying away.

New coach Hue Jackson said during the combine that analytics is “not going to drive our organization,” Like many coaches in the profession, Jackson is a go-by-his-gut coach – the exact opposite of what DePodesta represents. This should be interesting.

5) 49ers: Paraag Marathe

Title: Chief Strategy Officer and Executive Vice President of Football Operations.

Paraag Marathe got his break with the 49ers in 2001 when coach Bill Walsh and exec Terry Donahue hired him based on his work as part of a consulting team providing a data-oriented approach to the draft. He went all the way to team president in 2013 but has been demoted late in 2015. Still must think he will have a chance to work with Chip and innovate. Great minds rise in this industry – his rise is impressive and his fall may just be temporary.

6) Oakland Raiders: George Li

Title: Football Operations Statistical Analyst.

Before his hiring in 2012, he spent five years as lead researcher at the NFL Network and also worked one year as a researcher at ESPN. A degree in business administration completes his background. Oakland is on the rise – how much influence does George have? Time will tell.

His fit in the organization is good – he sits with coaches in meetings but he is not a part of the coaching staff. Known to do great work and speaks the language of the coaches. Are the Raiders on the verge of contending? Not much credit is given to the analytics but we’ll see if that changes. The voice of the organization may change as the W’s start stacking up in Oakland.

7) Pittsburgh Steelers: Karim Kassam

Title: Analytics & Football Research Coordinator

“It’s the way all sports are going,” Kassam, a four-year assistant professor of social and decision sciences at CMU and a Harvard grad, told ESPN.com. “It’s the way the league is going. They decided it was time.”

Kassam works in the scouting department under general manager Kevin Colbert and will provide information for coaches during the season. One of his first projects is evaluating college players, “trying to dig up what numbers are going to help us predict who is going to be successful,” Kassam said. He knows very little about football at this point but the next 18 months will be critical. Word is that Mike Tomlin is not big on analytics so Karim’s fit into the coaching staff may not be natural due to several factors. Word on the street is that Tomlin gives the vibe that he doesn’t need to have validation of what he already knows. We’ll see how this goes in the upcoming season.

8) Philadelphia Eagles: Alec Halaby

Title: Special assistant to the general manager

Alec Halaby is the special assistant to the general manager hired in 2012 who now holds the position of Vice President of Football Operations and Strategy. Halaby is a 2009 Harvard Economics graduate. His fit within the organization is confusing to those on the inside. His rules are different from anyone else as he is not a coach or scout. His influence away from the GM is questionable. He has seen a few coaches come and go but he remains – the depth of his connection with the new coaching staff is unknown.

9) Jacksonville Jaguars: Tony Kahn

Title: Senior Vice President, Football Technology & Analytics

With the player and coaching data crunched by many teams, Tony Khan’s department takes an analytic approach to fan experience and injury prevention. Perhaps that is why the Jags have limited the time rookies spend on the field in mini-camp. Influence most notably linked to his familial ties within the organizational structure. Many think a good year in Jacksonville is possible which will help his rank but many sources attribute the drafting of Luke Joeckel at #2 in 2013 to work with analytics. That does not sound good for a player who may move positions after 3 years in the NFL.

No question that Tony is not a “football guy” and his family ties would only seem to make it harder to work with him.

10) Buffalo Bills: Michael Lyons

Buffalo Bills formally created an analytics department in 2013 hiring Michael Lyons to head the department. While Lyons’ work will provide additional data to the football department it will be far from the sole determining factor in making football decisions.

“It’s another layer of information,” said Brandon. “Really it is just another spoke in the wheel of providing as much quality in depth information we can to make. The whole concept will be bringing the analytics element to everything that we do.”

This is my favorite description of the analytics fit within a football organization – a spoke in the tire. The Bills don’t seem to be moving in the right direction on the field or with things off the field. The recent injury to Shaq Lawson highlights their misfortune. Are analytics helping or just a spoke nobody looks at?

11) Indianapolis Colts: John Park

New kid on the block – just hired and his NFL experience is limited. He spent the last four months as an intern in the NFL Player Engagement department. Before that, he spent time with the Browns as a remote independent contractor, working as a game charter.

He graduated from Columbia after spending four years in the music industry, obtaining a degree in cultural anthropology. Park then worked as an actuary, consulting with Alvarez & Marshal’s and PricewaterhouseCoopers.

Park has no title attached to his role, such as director or V.P. or anything like that. As a result, it’s unclear how much sway he’ll have with G.M. Ryan Grigson. This is probably “the guy at the end of the hall” until some time passes.

12) Tampa Bay Bucs: Tyler Oberly

Tyler Oberly comes to the Bucs from Houston, where he wrote for a site called TheSidelineView.com, applying an electric engineering background to football applications. He was a speaker at the MIT Sloan Sports Conference. Not much known here.

13) Atlanta Falcons: Todd Nielson

Title: Football Research and Development

Completely unknown, hence last on the list. Falcons claim to use analytics but outside of Blank talking about the big picture – the exactness of what they may be doing is very unknown.

Why do certain teams seem to make it work while others don’t? Several factors exist.

Football people know the how important an advantage is. Better personnel is an advantage. Home field is an advantage. Sound coaching and training is an advantage. The 1963 Chargers found an advantage for physical performance. Since deemed illegal.

Reminds me of a few beauties:

If you are not cheating, you’re not trying and it’s only cheating if you get caught.

Win if you can, lose if you must but always, always cheat.

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Analytics presents an opportunity for an advantage in the game of football. Advantages are good. Organizations see this clearly but the issue deals with the people involved. Football coaches can generally be described as a group that doesn’t enjoy balancing the checkbook. Relationship and people oriented – creative: right brained. Computer science people: left brained. (More here) It is the successful mix of these groups that will ultimately make analytics successful.

These two groups of people are not usually drawn to each other… extrapolate out in a football office where winning and losing determines job status. The analytics guy needs to be in the same boat as the coaches if you want a good working relationship. That is just a fact. Everybody LIKES winning but people NEED jobs. Most memorable quote from my time in college coaching: “You want to win enough but not too much or they’ll keep expecting it too often.”

One is that a key element involves the difference between correlation and causation. Lightly speaking, correlation refers to any of a broad class of statistical relationships involving dependence. Causality is the link of one process (the cause) with another (the effect), where the first is understood to be partly responsible for the second, and the second is dependent on the first. More food for thought can be found in the phrase “correlation does not imply causation.”

Find an analytics guy who knows football a little bit and this will have a chance to work because football people don’t really know analytics at all. Analytics people must be able to meet football people in the football environment. The attraction is what happens between the white lines not on a computer screen.


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
1. Its hysterical watching u get eaten up by your PC friends over the butt boy post ... *LOL* ...

2. Depo ain’t the problem .... the thief and Dee are ...

3. We best pray were wrong cause we’ve gone from the factory of sadness to the factory of analytics .... at the end of the day there One in the same ...

Being the league’s analytical guinea pig oughta end well ... rolleyes ...
Bill has been using data in NE for years, and seeks out others in the offseason for their data and opinions. The dude literally picks the brains of everyone, uses ever piece of data he can get.

heck he went to Lincoln Riley for insight into his offense last year.

The data is here, it has been here, and its not going anywhere.

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Brian Burke and Aaron Schatz..they basically brought analytics to football....in 2002. Schatz also debunked the establish the run based on analytics, had a book in 1988 about the hidden game in the game. Oh and the term DVOA?...Schatz..first team benefitting in NFL...the most successful team in history..NE patriots since 2002..but yeah..analytics don't work and one of the most famous to use it successfully must have no clue how to do that. Depo must GO (purple font implied)


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I wont think to speak for mac, but I think that this post was the effect of all of the speculations regarding Depo, that have now been put to rest in JH presser.


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U think im a MORON? ...

Analytics has its place ... DUH ...

The thief is gonna put analytics at the forefront of everything ... its going to be front and center in all aspects of our org ...

I bet analytics is at or near the bottom of BBs list when it comes to judging how good a player will fit his system ...

It has its place ... right now the thief is like a kid in a candy store when it come to analytics ...

All we know for sure about depo and his analytics so far is he didn’t think Wentz was a franchise qb and he thought CC was the best we cpming out of that draft ... small sample size but those aren’t MINOR MISSES ...




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Originally Posted By: ExclDawg
The bigger joke is that he's completely fabricating what he's accusing him of.


Sadly most of the whacked out theories being promoted on here lately are the same.


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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
U think im a MORON? ...

Analytics has its place ... DUH ...

The thief is gonna put analytics at the forefront of everything ... its going to be front and center in all aspects of our org ...

I bet analytics is at or near the bottom of BBs list when it comes to judging how good a player will fit his system ...

It has its place ... right now the thief is like a kid in a candy store when it come to analytics ...

All we know for sure about depo and his analytics so far is he didn’t think Wentz was a franchise qb and he thought CC was the best we cpming out of that draft ... small sample size but those aren’t MINOR MISSES ...


Hmmm depo had no say in corey coleman. Have you actually watched wentz since his injury...he's not elite and he wasn't worth where he was drafted given how few games he's played. Thats what depo said, and thats what Hue said and hue said HE wanted a wr asap. Its hilarious how out of touch and what people believe when they break out the pitchforks


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Depo said he was going to be injured so often he wouldn’t be elite .... rofl ...

YO WILL ... ... u were curious as to what i meant by low hanging fruit .... here’s some ...

Does that help? ... *L*




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“We are trying to build a great organization over a long period of time,” DePodesta said Thursday night, “and tonight was the perfect example of that. We got a player we really wanted who we think is a great fit for us now, and yet we also have a few more bites at the apple.” Paul DePodesta comments on Corey Coleman pick.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/04/cleveland-browns-nfl-draft-hue-jackson-paul-depodesta-sachi-brown


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Originally Posted By: Halfback32
Depo played football in college and interned in the CFL before he ever got into professional baseball.


I don't know if it's the case, but:

In my opinion anyone who thinks football and baseball are even REMOTELY similar needs to be shown the door! Yesterday!

They are in no way the same, baseball is so much individual performances, vs, averages, while football is so much fitting cogs into a wheel and getting the most out of the wheel,
that's just on the field,

The way you assemble a group is totally different too,

Footballs group is WAY MORE reliant on keeping the group together and not making changes.

For what it's worth, the Browns have been ending themselves for years now by chasing change for the hope of a slight improvement, at the expense of building on any foundation they have in place,

But look at all the other NFL teams, they keep their foundation, and improve on what they are doing, and that's where a lot of them get their success,
a small few get their success at genius outthinking, but not at the expense of keeping their group together.

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They used those bites wisely ... Ricardo Louis ... Seth DeValve ... Jordan Payton and Higgs ...

Maybe the goal of the other WR they chose was to make the CC pick not look so bad ... rofl ...

At least they did that in a WR draft full of highly rated WR’s ... thumbsup




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It was the weakest WR class for years and they went heavy on mid round WR's.

People seem to forget facts when it doesn't line up with the story they're trying to sell.


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Just a general comment - anyone thinking we, as fans with 9-5 jobs elsewhere and perhaps a history of playing (or coaching) sports at H.S or even college - know more and understand more than a guy or guys who are professional sports team analysts ... smacks to me of arrogance. The idea that Depo has been part of this organization for a number of years and would fail to grasp the fundamental differences between building a Baseball team vs a Football team ... again, smacks of arrogance. I don't know if he and others put in 40 hour weeks, 60 hour weeks or 10 hour weeks .... but I do know that as smart, intelligent people capable of learning new concepts .... they will certainly have at least as much of an understanding as anyone on this board.

Personally I don't read into the changes and the presser that Depo has grown in power or importance. I think his voice and opinion are in the same place they were before. I don't believe the Browns are running their organization on statistics and data more than most other teams in the NFL.

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We can only make observations based on the evidence in front of us. When you get paid millions a year to do a job accountability stands for something.

Claiming everything someone did was good and everything that was bad is the fault of someone elses doesn't cut it.

Especially when you have a direct quote from him stating otherwise.


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