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Kind of weird timing; i thought Miss St was gonna keep him


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Well this is awkward, with Garrett not having even been officially fired yet...


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Originally Posted By: Milk Man
Well this is awkward, with Garrett not having even been officially fired yet...



He probably won't leave Dallas...

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Mike McCarthy seems like a great candidate but I just can't shake the memory of him being conservative with the Packers in the exact wrong moments. I don't see how a year hanging out with his buddies changes that.

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Yeah...I wouldn't want 9 playoff berths and a superbowl ring either...i prefer the conservative no superbowls in 3 generations...i think thats the right amount of conservative


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Mike McCarthy seems like a great candidate but I just can't shake the memory of him being conservative with the Packers in the exact wrong moments. I don't see how a year hanging out with his buddies changes that.
I agree ... his offense didn’t seem innovative or good enough when it counted, and that was with Rodger


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But hey, don't you want us to hire the next Chip Kelly?

Being a proven winner means nothing, right? wink


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Yet Rodgers numbers are no better with a new HC.


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Yeah cuz he’s also not in his prime


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Yeah...I wouldn't want 9 playoff berths and a superbowl ring either...i prefer the conservative no superbowls in 3 generations...i think thats the right amount of conservative


It takes a lot for a Super Bowl winning coach to get fired as they often get a free pass for a long time. They then fail in their next stop because they never adjust. No Super Bowl winning head coach has ever won again in his next job.

Here's the list:

Joe Gibbs - Took time off and then went back to Washington and was bad
Mike Ditka - Epic flameout with the Saints
George Seifert - George Seifert - 16-32 with the Carolina Panthers
Bill Parcells - Had some success but never won a Super Bowl, 95-81 as head coach of non-Giant teams
Jimmy Johnson - 36-28 with the Dolphins
Mike Holmgren - 86-74 with the Seahawks, lost in the Super Bowl, I would say he is the most successful off this list
Mike Shanahan - 24-40 with Washington
Dick Vermeil - 44-36 with Kansas City
Jon Gruden - TBD

With all that said, I wouldn't mind Mike McCarthy because I believe he has a good chance at rebuilding the QB. I don't believe what he has to say about being a changed man with regards to data and scheme.

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I think with McCarthy you get two things.. You get a guy who's built a team culture before and you get a known commodity with a track record of success. So what this allows you to do is atleast get a NFL culture in the locker room, play professionally on the field, and get a better evaluation of the talent of the team. So even if MM isn't here in 4 years, he will have atleast got the team rowing in the right direction. More than likely a few playoff appearances and now you have a foundation of winning you can build off. Going a coordinator could be boom or bust. As far as superbowl winning coach not winning with another team, someone always has to be the first to do it.


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Yeah cuz he’s also not in his prime


Which may very well be the reasoning for McCarhty's play calling his last year at Green Bay. Rather than Rodgers adjusting to his new normal that you yourself mentioned, he thought a new HC is what he needed. That was shown to be false in regards to Rodgers production.

It's hard for an athlete to admit when age requires adjustments.


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Yeah cuz he’s also not in his prime


Which very well be the reasoning for McCarhty's play calling his last year at Green Bay. Rather than Rodgers adjusting to his new normal that you yourself mentioned, he thought a new HC is what he needed. That was shown to be false in regards to Rodgers production.

It's hard for an athlete to admit when age requires adjustments.


I am not an expert on the Packers but wasn't one of the major complaints about McCarthy with Green Bay that he didn't involve Aaron Jones enough?

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Are you saying Rodgers was complaining because they weren't running the ball enough?

Actually, in 2018 they had RB by committee with both Jones and Jamaal Williams getting a lot of carries and both being productive. Actually both RB's started 8 games.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Are you saying Rodgers was complaining because they weren't running the ball enough?


That's not what I'm saying, it's what Aaron Rodgers was saying last year:

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Count Aaron Rodgers among those who think Aaron Jones needs more work.

"He’s a great player. We just need to continue to give him more opportunities," Rodgers told reporters Tuesday.

Jones rushed for 145 yards and two touchdowns in Sunday's win over the Miami Dolphins. The second-year back has been effective with every opportunity he's been given since being taken in the 2017 fifth round, averaging 6.1 yards per carry for his career.

However, Packers coach Mike McCarthy has never given him an opportunity for full-time work. Jones has never received more than 19 carries in a game, and his high for the season is 15.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2805...win-vs-dolphins

Aaron Jones went from 168 touches in 2018 to 285 in 2019.

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Hot take:

Marvin Lewis is underrated.

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Like I said, they were running a tandem set of RB's in 2018. I explained it above.

Hopefully Aaron Rodgers can find a team to coach when he retires.


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Hot take:

Marvin Lewis is underrated.


Love him as a DC as I did Romeo but not as a HC. Now, maybe he was hampered by the Bengals as an organization. I admire both of those guys as darn good men though!!!

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Hot take:

Marvin Lewis is underrated.


Love him as a DC as I did Romeo but not as a HC. Now, maybe he was hampered by the Bengals as an organization. I admire both of those guys as darn good men though!!!


Marvin Lewis took the Bengals job, who were perpetual losers and are the cheapest team in the league in every facet of their organization, and went 131-122 with seven playoff appearances.

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Marvin Lewis took the Bengals job, who were perpetual losers and are the cheapest team in the league in every facet of their organization, and went 131-122 with seven playoff appearances.


I thought mac said the Browns were the cheapest? wink


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....the clearest indication that they have moved on from Jason Garrett


....other than actually moving on from Jason Garrett. What are they waiting for? It's got to be pretty uncomfortable interviewing for an HC job when the current coach hasn't been actually let go yet.


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....the clearest indication that they have moved on from Jason Garrett


....other than actually moving on from Jason Garrett. What are they waiting for? It's got to be pretty uncomfortable interviewing for an HC job when the current coach hasn't been actually let go yet.


Everyone knows what is going on. Garrett's contract is up in a few weeks and the Cowboys don't want to "fire" him. I don't see how this would go on without the approval of Garrett and his agent.

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Hue Jackson is praying Marvin Lewis gets hired.


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Are you saying Rodgers was complaining because they weren't running the ball enough?


That's not what I'm saying, it's what Aaron Rodgers was saying last year:

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Count Aaron Rodgers among those who think Aaron Jones needs more work.

"He’s a great player. We just need to continue to give him more opportunities," Rodgers told reporters Tuesday.

Jones rushed for 145 yards and two touchdowns in Sunday's win over the Miami Dolphins. The second-year back has been effective with every opportunity he's been given since being taken in the 2017 fifth round, averaging 6.1 yards per carry for his career.

However, Packers coach Mike McCarthy has never given him an opportunity for full-time work. Jones has never received more than 19 carries in a game, and his high for the season is 15.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2805...win-vs-dolphins

Aaron Jones went from 168 touches in 2018 to 285 in 2019.


So he was made the bell cow and his efficiency went down. Weird, almost like MM knew that would happen .


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Are you saying Rodgers was complaining because they weren't running the ball enough?


That's not what I'm saying, it's what Aaron Rodgers was saying last year:

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Count Aaron Rodgers among those who think Aaron Jones needs more work.

"He’s a great player. We just need to continue to give him more opportunities," Rodgers told reporters Tuesday.

Jones rushed for 145 yards and two touchdowns in Sunday's win over the Miami Dolphins. The second-year back has been effective with every opportunity he's been given since being taken in the 2017 fifth round, averaging 6.1 yards per carry for his career.

However, Packers coach Mike McCarthy has never given him an opportunity for full-time work. Jones has never received more than 19 carries in a game, and his high for the season is 15.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2805...win-vs-dolphins

Aaron Jones went from 168 touches in 2018 to 285 in 2019.


So he was made the bell cow and his efficiency went down. Weird, almost like MM knew that would happen .


Or Rodgers knew everything couldn't rest on his shoulders and he needed help.

What was the main complaint about Kitchens' play calling?

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They had 2 backs in 2018 as a team they had a whopping 100 more yards this season


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On the flip they had 400 less yard pAssing. Just about every offensive stat was worse this year. Their growth was on defense


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They had 2 backs in 2018 as a team they had a whopping 100 more yards this season


I don't know how this happened. I think Mike McCarthy is a viable head coach and we should be interested in him. My original point was that he probably misused Aaron Rodgers a bit. I stand by that.

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On the flip they had 400 less yard pAssing. Just about every offensive stat was worse this year. Their growth was on defense


We should look into their defensive coordinator. . .

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Are you saying Rodgers was complaining because they weren't running the ball enough?


That's not what I'm saying, it's what Aaron Rodgers was saying last year:

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Count Aaron Rodgers among those who think Aaron Jones needs more work.

"He’s a great player. We just need to continue to give him more opportunities," Rodgers told reporters Tuesday.

Jones rushed for 145 yards and two touchdowns in Sunday's win over the Miami Dolphins. The second-year back has been effective with every opportunity he's been given since being taken in the 2017 fifth round, averaging 6.1 yards per carry for his career.

However, Packers coach Mike McCarthy has never given him an opportunity for full-time work. Jones has never received more than 19 carries in a game, and his high for the season is 15.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2805...win-vs-dolphins

Aaron Jones went from 168 touches in 2018 to 285 in 2019.


So he was made the bell cow and his efficiency went down. Weird, almost like MM knew that would happen .


Or Rodgers knew everything couldn't rest on his shoulders and he needed help.

What was the main complaint about Kitchens' play calling?


Yet the Packers had more rushing attempt in 2018 with the RB tandem than they had in 2019 with Aaron Jones.


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....the clearest indication that they have moved on from Jason Garrett


....other than actually moving on from Jason Garrett. What are they waiting for? It's got to be pretty uncomfortable interviewing for an HC job when the current coach hasn't been actually let go yet.


Everyone knows what is going on. Garrett's contract is up in a few weeks and the Cowboys don't want to "fire" him. I don't see how this would go on without the approval of Garrett and his agent.


or Jones is waiting for the Giants to hire their new head coach, making sure that Garrett can not go to NY.


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They had 2 backs in 2018 as a team they had a whopping 100 more yards this season


I don't know how this happened. I think Mike McCarthy is a viable head coach and we should be interested in him. My original point was that he probably misused Aaron Rodgers a bit. I stand by that.


I think the problem was Rodgers. He doesn’t seem to like to be told how to play. It even came out he was changing plays in huddle last year and not running what MM called. It’s hard to overcome that as a coach. What was MM going to do, call out Rodgers? I think the split had to happe. For both of them. I personally think AR is a talented douche


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That's what I got out of it.


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Well this is awkward, with Garrett not having even been officially fired yet...





I agree, that is unprofessional.


First, you don't interview people for coach while you still employ a coach.

Second, you don't interview for another coaching position if the team still employs a coach.


It's a matter of ethics and professional courtesy.


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Well said.


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....the clearest indication that they have moved on from Jason Garrett


....other than actually moving on from Jason Garrett. What are they waiting for? It's got to be pretty uncomfortable interviewing for an HC job when the current coach hasn't been actually let go yet.


Everyone knows what is going on. Garrett's contract is up in a few weeks and the Cowboys don't want to "fire" him. I don't see how this would go on without the approval of Garrett and his agent.


or Jones is waiting for the Giants to hire their new head coach, making sure that Garrett can not go to NY.


I don't think Jerry Jones has to worry about other teams wanting to hire Jason Garrett.

Jones has an emotional attachment to Garrett. He has been grooming him to be a head coach since he was a player. He just doesn't want to fire the guy.

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Maybe he's got some type of FO position lined up for JG


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Marvin Lewis to interview with the Cowboys.

I hate to think of such things, but this reeks of a minority requirement interview.


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Marvin Lewis to interview with the Cowboys.

I hate to think of such things, but this reeks of a minority requirement interview.


Is Marvin Lewis a bad coach?

I don't think he is.

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