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OK, you have a case that he's a great OC
Add in his previous stint as HC and assume he's learned from it (like BB did)... you make a case for him to be HC.

But what's missing is the case to show that he's able to handle the organizational input and control that he's rumored to have wanted as part of the deal.

Except some of them can and some can't.
Not sure which one we have or how close he is to anyone who thinks enough like him that be trusts to be OC.

J/c

heres one of my biggest gripes.

We have a team, that sat there and told Jimmy "we need leadership".

Players respond to jewelry. Players respect guys that have been there don't that.

We have a team full of talent in their prime. We need a guy that come in day one, and say "Odell, take those stupid shoes off or your not playing"

JM has the cred and rings to be able to do that.

Stefanski does not. He has to earn that still.

The problem is, lets say it takes a year or two to build up that cred, and for Stefanski to learn how to run as a HC, we have a ton of guys that will be coming off Rookie deals, needing paid, and are going to lose some of this top talent.

I don't have faith that Andrew Berry or whoever to be named later can replace that talent.

This might be a good hire. It might not, but what I KNOW, is that its not the hire this TEAM needs.

Cool, show me where anyone on this current organization can...…


So your telling me you would rather have Jimmy and Depo having control over Josh M...that's the structure you would rather have?

If he can get Kubiak here somehow, I will feel a little better about the hire. But other than that, this is just another mistake.

j/c:

Joe Thomas has been behind every single coach we have hired. He is a great guy that loves this team and the city. Because of that, he is without a doubt a true homer. I don't give him any credence when endorsing a coach.

Except making false statements about what current players are saying would REALLY blow your credibility with your old mates. No?

well, he was behind Freddie, and behind hue.....

I rest my case.

Wrong. Thomas said on his podcast that Freddie Kitchens should be fired.

Much different than claiming others are saying it! I wouldn't want anyone talking g for me and wouldn't speak on someone else's behalf if they hadn't said it. May have been wrong about Fred but doubt he'd do that within the players/former players circle.

Good listen. His comments via Kyle Rudolph were great in regards to how Rudolph explained how Stefanski dealt with big personalities and got everyone back on the same page after Diggs and Thielen were less than happy with Cousins.

Agreed. I don't put much weight into many things Joe Thomas says and I've gone on record with that before. However, the information relayed to him by other people about Stefanski I thought was noteworthy.

BpG literally just posted a link where he said Freddie was the right hire.

Try again.

They didnt really look on the same page the last two playoff games, did they? How many catches did their best WR have? How many rushes did their best player in Cook have?

Good grief if I were you I'd be finding another team to follow! Its exhausting enough without it wildly consuming me!!

Oh, im sorry - you like losing for 20 + years then?

I would think since you do, you should find another team.

That's not meddling.

You're upset b/c the Browns didn't hire your guy McDaniels. Carry on.

I wouldn't put anything past this franchise.

What I'd think would be ideal is to have our scouting department and our analytics department work hand-in-hand to compile information on upcoming opponents and present that information to the coaching staff on Monday afternoons or Tuesday mornings. Let them do their post-game debrief like they're talking about, but have this information and scouting ready to roll immediately so that as soon as you put the last game to bed you can start looking at the next one while you have information about yourself and what you can and can't do well fresh in your mind.

I do think that waiting for Friday to review the game plan to ensure it meshes with what the numbers show is a poor idea; ideally, the number crunchers are sitting in with the coaches while they work up the plan to begin with. It really does need to be a continuous collaboration, not a point-in-the-process checkpoint.

No I really dont. The last time we won a championship I was 3...but I dont live and die with this crap. A few tough years with cancer kinda sets things into perspective.
Browns are waaaaay down my list as much as I love em!

And you sit thinking that everything they do is the right decision - when 33-111 is the record under this owner.

Tell me dear kind sir, what gives you faith in the hire?

I really doubt he will be sending them back to the drawing board again and again until they get it right and it's an hour before kickoff. Probably more to do with the being on the same page idea.

Joe says it like it's a good thing. Let's win some. I am eager to see free agency.

Do you know how a message board works? I don't think you do.

IF everyone just stopped posting their thoughts on the team, there woudlnt be a message board.

I suggest you find somewhere else to lurk if you have an issue with reading things.

Stupid organizationally for a check up on game prep. Priority is wrong folks and too late. Hire Purp! His plan is better.

Well, thanks for the advice but I figure there are ultra negative people no matter where I'd go and I kinda like my fellow fans including you.

My post count might suggest I'm more than a lurker though. I'm a football fan who can healthily put it all the perspective of my life....

I think everything is the right decision? Hysterical.

DePodesta and everyone being "aligned" together.

At the end of the day this will either work or it won't. But for once, there is a shared vision b/t the FO and coaching staff.

I think it is. Teams start formulating game plans early in the week, and then installing / practicing them on Weds-Thurs-Fri. What if there's disagreement on the proposed game plan at the Friday meeting? Do they call a midnight practice on Friday night to install an alternate game plan?

I don't think the Friday meeting is to approve the game plan. I think it would be to align what the game plan is to certain things analytics can assist and exploit against the opponent. This isn't a new concept.

I'd be more worried about the Monday Morning Quarterback meetings w/ Jimmuh.

Yes!

My concern is Jimmy will keep score and then try and pit people against each other like he always does.

I hope I'm wrong in that regard.

You can buy that, I don't.

They said the SAME EXACT thing when they fired Pettine and hired Sashi to run things. It was to be cohesive and share a vision and re-organize. Listen to the presser, its identical to what they are saying now.

In business, you have to have a organization flow. Someone has to have final say.

You see, when Haslam says he wants everyone on the same page, what he really means, is that he wants guys that understand HE will have final say. he doesn't want anyone challenging him anymore.

who is going to have final roster say? The HC, the GM, Depo, Haslam?

They talk about being this cohesive unit, all that does under this structure is lead to a MESS. No one knows who has final say, no one knows who is the boss, and it just creates a power struggle within.

It literally is the same thing we saw with Hue and Sashi. Hue trying to make trades behind his back, Sashi forgetting to send in the paperwork, etc. We have been down this road before, and it got us 1-31.

I am posting this again - but all the media bozos are using the same source - and they didn’t even read the article throughly


It will probably be lost in the desire for folks to push their specific narrative

But ...

A quote from the canton rep article where this supposed insight into the interview process says

“What follows is our belief about the elements of Stefanski’s interview Thursday and McDaniels’ interview Friday that left Stefanski as Haslam’s seventh head coach since he bought the team in 2012.”


Nobody confirms this went down and these wild “beliefs” are just speculation that feeds clicks

I hope Joe T is correct

I look at it as Depo and Haslam want to be informed. They don't want to be in the dark come gametime Sunday. People wonder why Garrett lasted 10 years with Jerry Jones, it was because Jerry was/is informed. Jerry is at practices. Jerry is told what is happening. Jerry is not counting on second and third hand accounts about what is going on. Haslam wants to be informed, not approving the game plan. By Friday it is too late to approve and change anything.

I would agree with that as well.

I think that we all do.

People always talk about the QB being the most important person on the team, but the reality is that there are several roles that MUST be nailed down in order to have a successful team, with QB just being the one on the field of play.

You have to have the QB.
You have to have the Head Coach.
You have to have coordinators that can and will run the HC's schemes.
You have to have the GM and scouting department that gets the players that fit what the coaches are doing.

Why do some teams sit atop the league year after year after year? Those are the teams that have solved those four problems. If you have those four, you can overcome a LOT of lacking in other areas. If you don't have those, you will be mired in mediocrity, always staring at the success that is just out of fingers' reach.

In theory:
We have the QB.
We *might* have the GM and scouts (Berry has proven himself in the past and I don't think Wolf and the scouts are going anywhere)

If Stefanski and his coordinators can be the guys that survive into a third season and beyond here, then we just might finally ascend.