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I also heard he is going to be cooking all of the team meals during the season. Have you heard that? I have no problem with hiring a chef to run the entire kitchen. The issue is that we hired a chef, a hostess, and a waiter to all have equal say on the operations of the kitchen - while neither of the three really know what the other department actually does 
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Can't grill as far as he knows, but he owns a few swell looking cookbooks. Statistically the next great master chef.
Do something; prove something. We hired him for what exactly? Really interested in the other hires because they will have to carry him IMO. Hope he has better gamelans and can manage adjustments on the fly. Like during the game, not the lame post-loss interviews.
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I would've thought that the NFL needed a little time to forget this past season before Kitchens would be considered for a job.
Good for him, I guess. I'm glad he's gone, but he seemed like a good guy that was in over his head. Hope he has a short memory and can refocus from this past season. I like Kitchens on a personal level,,Love to sit and have a beer with him... He wasn't a good HC but that doesn't make him a bad position coach.
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He's probably already going to be the defacto GM too. Since he was hired first and the "GM" will be working under him. I believe he will be working WITH him, not UNDER or FOR him.
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I also heard he is going to be cooking all of the team meals during the season. Have you heard that? Well let's hope the experience on his resume' is a little lengthier in that field. 
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I would be OK with keeping Wilks.
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I would be OK with keeping Wilks. It's an unpopular opinion but I wouldn't mind it either. I think he got dealt a bad hand.
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I call bs on that tweet cfrs... After listening to KS presser today..there is no way he has narrowed anything down...jmo
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I call bs on that tweet cfrs... After listening to KS presser today..there is no way he has narrowed anything down...jmo I posted on the other coaching thread about this . . . I think your response makes a lot of sense!
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Maybe another year in the system (and this time Berea not being a circus) will be what his D needs.
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I'm OK with Wilkes too.
Too many injuries and suspensions on defense to truly judge him this past year.
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I would be OK with keeping Wilks. It's an unpopular opinion but I wouldn't mind it either. I think he got dealt a bad hand. Weren't you bothered by his inability (or unwillingness) to pressure the completely inexperienced qb's we faced?
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I liked Wilks, except for his lack of blitzing.
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I liked Wilks, except for his lack of blitzing. In all but the Denver game and another one where we should've been harassing a rookie QB, I thought his blitzing was good. He did it just infrequently enough that it was devastating when he did let it loose.
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He should go for one simple fact .... he turned Ward into a zone CB ... IMO Wilkes was the reason Ward struggled this year ... it didn’t help Greedy any either ....
He had a rep of being a heavy Blitzer9 and a zone guy ... i figured with the talent we have at CB he’d play man a majority of the time with a lot of press coverage when we did and he’d continue to be a heavy Blitzer ..... naaaa .... he did the opposite ... *L* ...
He had 2 - 4 outstanding game plans that were well executed .... the rest of the year ... wow ... and i don’t count the last 3 or 4 games .... the last two he had no chance in ....
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I liked Wilks, except for his lack of blitzing. We blitzed a lot - just very ineffectively. I kept watching games and they'd talk about how often the Browns blitzed ... I can't find any stats to verify though.
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I dunno. A lot of games it seemed like all we would do is rush 4.
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I liked Wilks, except for his lack of blitzing. We blitzed a lot - just very ineffectively. I kept watching games and they'd talk about how often the Browns blitzed ... I can't find any stats to verify though. We tip our hat too early on a blitz...coaching and execution, both need to improve on that facet.
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Wilkes is a no for me. I hope we move on.
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Wilks is not very popular with many of us because we trust our eyes ..lol
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He should go for one simple fact .... he turned Ward into a zone CB ... IMO Wilkes was the reason Ward struggled this year ... it didn’t help Greedy any either ....
He had a rep of being a heavy Blitzer9 and a zone guy ... i figured with the talent we have at CB he’d play man a majority of the time with a lot of press coverage when we did and he’d continue to be a heavy Blitzer ..... naaaa .... he did the opposite ... *L* ...
He had 2 - 4 outstanding game plans that were well executed .... the rest of the year ... wow ... and i don’t count the last 3 or 4 games .... the last two he had no chance in .... Bingo.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Wilks?
Kinda ambivalent about the DC job.
Before the beginning of the season everyone including the coaches felt the strength of the team was the defense. In particular the front four.
Made the trade for Vernon. Signed Richardson. Ogunjobi a
good young developing tackle and Myles.
The pre-season game against the Bucs. I was like WOW. The front four ate them up.
As the season went on. Same problems from before. Stopping the run.
Late in the season it appeared the defense was often caught with the wrong personnel on the field.
We did not get the best from our corners as well.
There is an argument for continuity. But that only goes so far.
So in the end KS should be comfortable with his DC. Let him just bring the guy he wants.
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I'd take Woods over Wilkes. Wilkes is very unimpressive and his unit didn't play with any fire
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He should go for one simple fact .... he turned Ward into a zone CB ... IMO Wilkes was the reason Ward struggled this year ... it didn’t help Greedy any either ....
He had a rep of being a heavy Blitzer9 and a zone guy ... i figured with the talent we have at CB he’d play man a majority of the time with a lot of press coverage when we did and he’d continue to be a heavy Blitzer ..... naaaa .... he did the opposite ... *L* ...
He had 2 - 4 outstanding game plans that were well executed .... the rest of the year ... wow ... and i don’t count the last 3 or 4 games .... the last two he had no chance in .... Agree, IMO if you lose to ever rookie undrafted QB in the league - you don't deserve to have a job.
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Geez, yesterday the odds on favorite was Wade Phillips....Things change
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I’m good with this. Get a staff of coaches rather than buddies.
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I’m good with this. Get a staff of coaches rather than buddies. I like Adam Henry.. but one thing that bothered me last year was no one held OBJ accountable (Kitchens, Monken, or Henry). I saw so many times he would line up, and you could tell with his body stance that it was either a run, or he wasn't getting the ball. That is not helping your team at all.
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On second thought, replace Wilkes? Wilks?? Willks???
Whatever the hell his name is...
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I’m good with this. Get a staff of coaches rather than buddies. but one thing that bothered me last year was no one held OBJ accountable (Kitchens, Monken, or Henry). I saw so many times he would line up, and you could tell with his body stance that it was either a run, or he wasn't getting the ball. This is my point. It also may be an OBJ problem more so than anything. Does OBJ want to be coached?
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Good .. OBJ and Landry need coached not enabled
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I’m good with this. Get a staff of coaches rather than buddies. but one thing that bothered me last year was no one held OBJ accountable (Kitchens, Monken, or Henry). I saw so many times he would line up, and you could tell with his body stance that it was either a run, or he wasn't getting the ball. This is my point. It also may be an OBJ problem more so than anything. Does OBJ want to be coached? Trading for that guy was another blunder. He's a great player, but a poor team mate. I'd trade the guy. How about for a RT, or a 1st rounder? I think both Higgins and Ratley can be solid players if given the reps.
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While OBJ didn't perform at a level we expected last year because of injury, clearly not knowing the play book and a number of other factors - I wouldn't give up on the trade just yet. If he doesn't want to be coached and ply his craft .... sure 100% .... but when healthy and focused he is an elite WR. I liked Higgins very much when he was actually playing and being solid - but he will never ever do for an offense what OBJ has the ability to do. You don't give up on that sort of talent so quickly and with so many variables that may have impacted his performance. jmo
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OBJ is too busy “supporting” his Alma mater.
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Good .. OBJ and Landry need coached not enabled VG needs coached ....  He’s a coaches dream ... 
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And didn't get there with that. Couldn't roast a marshmallow at the fire from that group. Truly disappointed. Also our corners got worse. Not a Wilkes fan from what I saw. Better earlier. Lousier later.
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Good .. OBJ and Landry need coached not enabled VG needs coached .... He’s a coaches dream ... I get the point your trying to make, but to be fair, everyone needs coached. Peyton Manning accepted coaching. Tom Brady gets coached. Its hard to see what your doing when your doing it. Everyone needs coaching to help point out little things you might not even know you are doing. https://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-pa...layoff-bye-week
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Unclench bro ... Of course everyone needs coaching ... the theme here was about OBJ being coachable due to his BS ... glomming VG in with OBJ when it comes to being coachable in that regard is a crock on a good day ... I’ll make sure my lawyer proof reads my next post ...
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