*L* ... ya .... full control or nothing .... cause u were in the room ... ...
Ok .. please explain to me what his roll was going to be when we were bringing in a GM that the new HC gets along with ....
So please tell me exactly what KJ’s role was gonna be ... seriously .... ill be waiting ...
And remember were hiring a new GM ... so exactly what was KJ’s role gonna be when were hiring someone to do the job he DID!!! ... they essentially neutered him even though he killed it at his main job ....
And dude .. if he was in charge of contracts that would have been dumb as heck ... that would be beyond stupid ...
Glad to see u lost all faith in his ability to hire a coach after ONE FAIL ... again ... BRILLIANT .... if all owners had your patience Bill Belichick would have NEVER BEEN ... Dungy and Gruden wouldn’t have SB rings ... how do u like them apples ... *L* ...
::sigh::
Yes, it was full control or nothing. He HAD full control already and it was very clearly reported that he was asked to stay but in a reduced role. He didn't want that. Thus, he wanted to keep his full control or he was out.... aka 'nothing'. Most likely, that reduced role was simply: he doesn't get last word on hiring the coach. Beyond that, who knows? Whatever the reduced role actually was, he didn't want it. He wanted the whole thing, and he wasn't getting it, so he took his ball and went home.
It ain't rocket surgery, man.
As for faith in hiring coaches.... I had no faith in him still wanting Freddie, which, yeah, impacts my belief in his ability to pick a coach. If Freddie was even half the wreck the stories coming out depict him as, and Dorsey knew about it, I cannot be onboard with him wanting to keep Freddie, at all.... but whether or not *I* have any faith doesn't matter, at all.
Contracts: who do you think gave Hubbard & TJ Carrie so much money? He did the same thing in KC.... he ran them right toward Cap Hell, man.
Whatever.... go rant, I know you will. Someone dare speaketh ill of Saint Dorsey, so you must defend him. The thing is, I'm not attacking him. I'm giving him credit where it's due, and then I'm just speaking it as it is.
He was one of the best we've had at talent acquisition, but beyond that, he really wasn't much more than a hole you throw bubble gum into.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
“Alonzo is part of the Hurricane family and as someone who has spent his life around football at all levels is a real asset. We have had numerous discussions about our program and his observations. We approached him about an opportunity to join our team but he decided it was best to stay in the NFL. We wish him continued success in his role with the Browns.”
The Cleveland Browns - WE KNOW QUARTERBACKS ( Look at how many we've had ... )
Miami football program hiring Alonzo Highsmith is complicated by Alan Rubenstein1 week ago Follow @UARuby
The public outcry from Miami football fans and reportedly from the Board of Trustees for hiring Alonzo Highsmith has reached a fever pitch. Bringing in Highsmith is complicated and doesn’t automatically return the Hurricanes to the nation’s elite. Recent reports in South Florida media reported that the Chief of Staff position with the Miami football program is open and there for the taking if former Hurricanes running back Alonzo Highsmith wants it. The entire situation is fluid and complicated. Highsmith is still the Cleveland Browns vice president of player personnel.
Since the end of the Browns season last month they have dismissed head coach Freddie Kitchens before black Monday arrived. The dismissal of Kitchens was followed by the firing of general manager John Dorsey. Dorsey brought Highsmith to Cleveland from Green Bay. Highsmith’s future in Cleveland is in jeopardy.
The potential runs everything from Highsmith getting fired to him being promoted replace Dorsey. Highsmith could also remain in his current position. Manny Navarro of The Athletic detailed that several reports stated the Highsmith would be dismissed.
Eight days after the firing of Kitchens and about a week after Dorsey, Highsmith is still employed by Cleveland. The outcry to hire Highsmith as the Chief of Staff with the Miami football program is placing higher expectations on what will happen than is likely reality. Some fans and media want him in a general manager type job.
52 3:31 AM - Jan 4, 2020 Twitter Ads info and privacy See Kelvin Harris's other Tweets Adding Highsmith in a GM type role instead of the Chief of Staff that head coach Manny Diaz and athletic director Blake James are looking for would be a nearly unprecedented move. When Arizona State instituted a similar restructuring in December 2017 the Sun Devils were widely panned.
Arizona State does not have someone in place with the NFL experience of Highsmith. Herm Edwards came out of retirement and working as an analyst at ESPN to take the job of the Sun Devils head coach and de facto CEO. Former Miami offensive lineman Kelvin Harris has been vocal about the fallout of hiring Highsmith.
Paul DePodesta took complete control with the firing of err resigning of Dorsey. Make no mistake about it, we are now starting the ERA of Paul DePodesta make God please Bless him.
He btw stated that Elliot and Zo were in complete control of personnel and getting ready for the draft as well as helping Stefanski look for Asst. Coach Hirings.
Well right now those two are our GM's and they are all in with DePodesta.
Stefanski I believe was a favorite of DePodesta last year and Kitchens was a Dorsey hire.
Anyways that is where we stand. But make no mistake about it..the Browns are in the hands of DePodesta...hope the guy is the sports genius he is suppose to be!
jmho
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And he did do an outstanding job at bringing in talent, and he also did his fair share of completely stupid moves with talent, too.
We can all argue on the effect Dorsey had on this team, yet the only thing that matters are wins and losses. At the end of the day, John Dorsey was 13-18-1 (I wont count the 3 loses we had right after he was hired).
As long as the new GM doesn't alienate the entire roster in his first press conference, then I think we've already got a better GM than the previous one.
Paul DePodesta took complete control with the firing of err resigning of Dorsey. Make no mistake about it, we are now starting the ERA of Paul DePodesta make God please Bless him.
He btw stated that Elliot and Zo were in complete control of personnel and getting ready for the draft as well as helping Stefanski look for Asst. Coach Hirings.
Well right now those two are our GM's and they are all in with DePodesta.
Stefanski I believe was a favorite of DePodesta last year and Kitchens was a Dorsey hire.
Anyways that is where we stand. But make no mistake about it..the Browns are in the hands of DePodesta...hope the guy is the sports genius he is suppose to be!
jmho
Of course, we will never know the full story so this is all fan speculation based on some tidbits here and there that journalists have rightly or wrongly commented on and embraced.
What I would like to know is.....were Wolf and Highsmith originally behind the Kitchens hire or, were they for Stefanski (or were they "yes men" to Dorsey and didn't speak up)? Whether their opinions on the hire were taken into consideration or not, I think it says a lot. Especially if one or both are to stay.
The Browns interviewed Andrew Berry and Monti Ossenfort on Friday for their General Manager vacancy. They will interview three to five candidates before making a decision, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports.
George Paton, the Vikings assistant G.M., is scheduled to meet with the Browns this weekend as the third candidate for the job, although weather could delay the interview.
New coach Kevin Stefanski will have say in the hiring of the new G.M. to replace John Dorsey.
Berry, 32, serves as the Eagles’ vice president of football operations. He previously spent three seasons as the Browns’ vice president of player personnel.
Ossenfort has served as the Patriots’ director of college scouting the past five seasons after three years as the assistant director of college scouting and three as a national scout. He also has worked for the Vikings and Texans.
Good luck to whoever the new GM is. He will be walking into the middle of one big mess. Paul DePodesta will have to approve any move the GM wants to make.
Hasn't this been proven as false time and time again?
Maybe but not now or in the future, especially if they are taking the "Money Ball" approach to building a playoff contender.
Good luck to whoever the new GM is. He will be walking into the middle of one big mess. Paul DePodesta will have to approve any move the GM wants to make.
Hasn't this been proven as false time and time again?
Maybe but not now or in the future, especially if they are taking the "Money Ball" approach to building a playoff contender.
Do people that complain about "Moneyball" actually have any idea what the term "Moneyball" actually refers to or do they just think it means always trade down and attempt to build a team as cheaply as possible?
Good luck to whoever the new GM is. He will be walking into the middle of one big mess. Paul DePodesta will have to approve any move the GM wants to make.
Hasn't this been proven as false time and time again?
Maybe but not now or in the future, especially if they are taking the "Money Ball" approach to building a playoff contender.
Do people that complain about "Moneyball" actually have any idea what the term "Moneyball" actually refers to or do they just think it means always trade down and attempt to build a team as cheaply as possible?
Wasn't complaining about "Money Ball". Just saying they are going to take a more analytical approach to building the team.
That is the key, working in step. Stefanski has a vision of how he wants his O to operate and his D. He and the GM need to know what they are looking for to run each. Different systems can require different types of players.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
DePodesta seemed very impressed with both, Wolf and Alonzo.
Who know if they were asked at all about the hire last season. Both were involved with Personnel issues and not actual hirings. I'm sure they brought in a lot of INFO/DATA on potential coaches but were not involved with the decision. If pressed I would hope that they were Stefanski backers at the time. But as you stated its all speculation. I said what I said about the two because of the DePodesta interview where asked about the GM he noted that getting ready for the draft and FA personnel was Elliot and Zo (his reference to Wolf and Alonzo on a pretty close relationship with the two) and his confidence in the work of the two.
I like the coaches Stefanski is bring in here...some guys that Ski has had a relationship and when young guys are together they sometimes dream of the day they are going to be HC and the philosophies on O and D that they agree on. Woods is a perfect example also the possible OC from Denver who I think has a history with Ski and also with Kyle's 49ers zone blocking scheme which Ski is a believer of and a big influence was the protege of Mike Shannahan...crap cant think of the QBs name...lol
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I was going to post similar thoughts. It is heartening to see the process play out and the non-favorite get the job (potentially). That means they are truly going through the process and it's not just a show. Shocking from this team.
George Paton has turned down or rejected a bunch of offers from other teams to be their GM. It's probably a good sign that he's willing to take the GM job with us.
George Paton has turned down or rejected a bunch of offers from other teams to be their GM. It's probably a good sign that he's willing to take the GM job with us.
I agree with everything in your post but wanted to pull out this particular piece. Maybe I am confusing this guy with the Indy assistant GM, but I thought a concern was him being content in his role and not seeking/wanting a GM role?
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