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J/C. We absolutely need to hold on to Hunt for this season. It appeared that we did great with the Duke Johnson trade BUT he was sorely missed as we had no production from Hilliard and were without a TE. Not having his ability as a receiver and 3rd down back killed us. Hunt must stay because it will make us more dynamic and he has the knack for moving the chains.
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Then I'd tender him at his original draft position. If that's still a thing.
Can't we trade his rights? Perhaps that's the best scenario.
It's entirely plausible that he's here for 2020. It's entirely plausible he's here much longer than that. I'm still skeptical.
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We cannot trade his rights. The closest we would be able to do is a sign and trade but that’s rare and complex. Restricted free agents just don’t move very much.
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We have the money this year and a little more the year after before we have to resign Myles, Ward, Baker, and Chub. Sign hunt to 2-4 year deal with most in first 2 years. When we can’t afford him anymore, year or two, trade him. He will be a lightly used 26-27 pro bowl rb with little left on contract. You can get something for him. No sense in not keeping him around as long as we can financially.
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I'd imagine most restricted FA are not Hunt-caliber. Thus lack of movement. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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does anybody remember Byner and Mack? Aside from Jim Brown, that has been our best running game. A tandem system, Chubb and Hunt. Yup, sign them both, fix the OL, resign Schobert and add to the D, pray that Baker's game gets fixed, and let's see what happens.
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I have a feeling with our zone blocking system and RBs .... it’ll be an explosion in the ground and PA game. I’m actually excited about the prospects of our offense
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I see no reason to get rid of Hunt. If Stefanski is all that with the offense (specifically the run game) it'll be a happy problem for him to feed both Chubb and Hunt and get Hunt touches on the perimeter.
Normally I rail against this weird notion where fans of this team seem to think we're not allowed to have talent, only draft picks. In this situation, I can understand where you're coming from. A team could throw some major draft capital for Hunt as a RFA, and if Stefanski doesn't think he's going to use him, then might as well get a pick.
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I don't think there's going to be much of a trade market for Hunt, due to his off-field issues. If there are any offers, figure something like a late round pick, not the second rounder or higher that some are hoping for. A team that was willing to do that probably would have signed him for cheap in free agency when he was available.
From a football perspective, there's nothing wrong with having Chubb and Hunt. Figure at least one of the two will be on the field the vast majority of offensive snaps. Occasionally both will be in on split backs or maybe line up Hunt in the slot or whatever. Hunt really isn't a lead blocker though so as much as people want to use him as a fullback in I-formation, that doesn't really make sense to do consistently.
Figure Chubb is the starter, but Hunt can spell him pretty frequently. Call it the best of both worlds.. we'll always have a great back in the game, they can stay fresh late in the game and late in the season, and it might extend Chubb's career somewhat.
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does anybody remember Byner and Mack? Aside from Jim Brown, that has been our best running game. A tandem system, Chubb and Hunt. Yup, sign them both, fix the OL, resign Schobert and add to the D, pray that Baker's game gets fixed, and let's see what happens. I agree with you for the most part. I like Joe and think he's a good player. I might take the comp pick, though. Seems like LBs don't last very long after getting paid. Plus, if there is a place to try to save some money on D, it's probably LB. If we can get a "hometown" discount, sure, bring him back. If he wants Mosley money, find some young guys that can run and hit. I don't really want LBs trying (and mostly failing) to cover athletic TEs, anyways, any more. I'd rather solidify safeties that can cover.
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I don't think there's going to be much of a trade market for Hunt, due to his off-field issues. If there are any offers, figure something like a late round pick, not the second rounder or higher that some are hoping for. A team that was willing to do that probably would have signed him for cheap in free agency when he was available.
From a football perspective, there's nothing wrong with having Chubb and Hunt. Figure at least one of the two will be on the field the vast majority of offensive snaps. Occasionally both will be in on split backs or maybe line up Hunt in the slot or whatever. Hunt really isn't a lead blocker though so as much as people want to use him as a fullback in I-formation, that doesn't really make sense to do consistently.
Figure Chubb is the starter, but Hunt can spell him pretty frequently. Call it the best of both worlds.. we'll always have a great back in the game, they can stay fresh late in the game and late in the season, and it might extend Chubb's career somewhat. A team did sgin him cheap, We did. lol 
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does anybody remember Byner and Mack? Aside from Jim Brown, that has been our best running game. A tandem system, Chubb and Hunt. Yup, sign them both, fix the OL, resign Schobert and add to the D, pray that Baker's game gets fixed, and let's see what happens. I agree with you for the most part. I like Joe and think he's a good player. I might take the comp pick, though. Seems like LBs don't last very long after getting paid. Plus, if there is a place to try to save some money on D, it's probably LB. If we can get a "hometown" discount, sure, bring him back. If he wants Mosley money, find some young guys that can run and hit. I don't really want LBs trying (and mostly failing) to cover athletic TEs, anyways, any more. I'd rather solidify safeties that can cover. I see whaqt yo;u're asaying, but I'm not sure we would get a better LB than Schobert with the comp pick, I'd keep him, he's good. In fact, we need more, we can't just completely rely on Garrett, need to get him some help. Think of JJ Watt, he's a beast, but even when they had Clowney, they still didn't make the SB, now without Clowney, they may be slightly better in some areas, but still failed to make the SB. I'm not saying Clowney is the difference directly, but extra pressure makes a big difference, The rats always have any number of guys that can blitz, and well, same with Pitt. Strong run game helps open up the pass game, and a strong defense will help win the game.
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Joe's good. He's not 5 years, $85 million good.
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I agree. Joe is really good that the cerebral part of MLB. But he doesn't have elite speed and too often his tackles end up several yards beyond the point of impact. He's good, not elite MLB good.
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I agree. Joe is really good that the cerebral part of MLB. But he doesn't have elite speed and too often his tackles end up several yards beyond the point of impact. He's good, not elite MLB good. Letting Schobert walk without an adequate replacement on the roster is not wise. My guess is that he will/is not demanding a top tier contract. Signing him to a contract similar to what Myles Jack got ( https://overthecap.com/player/myles-jack/4749/) would be a great deal for both sides.
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A team did sgin him cheap, We did. lol Which begs the question why does anyone think his value is so much more inflated now?
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I agree. Joe is really good that the cerebral part of MLB. But he doesn't have elite speed and too often his tackles end up several yards beyond the point of impact. He's good, not elite MLB good. Letting Schobert walk without an adequate replacement on the roster is not wise. My guess is that he will/is not demanding a top tier contract. Signing him to a contract similar to what Myles Jack got ( https://overthecap.com/player/myles-jack/4749/) would be a great deal for both sides. Yea I think he needs to be signed ...
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A team did sgin him cheap, We did. lol Which begs the question why does anyone think his value is so much more inflated now? Bingo. That's the real issue. He's not getting moved because no one is going to give up enough for him. Kareem Hunt is more valuable playing for us during the 2020 season than a fourth round pick (or later) would be. (I said the same thing about Duke Johnson and then the Texans gave us a third round pick.) As I stated in a previous post, the third round pick we got for Duke Johnson was the highest pick a team has gotten for a running back since we got a first for Trent Richardson. I would be shocked if a team gave up a high pick for a player in Hunt's situation.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. Besides his baggage, I believe a team would offer more for Hunt than we got for Duke just because he brings more overall talent than Duke...
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. I don't knwo, his talent hasn't suddenly disappeared. So, a team might want to upgrade their run game. Personally, I don't see us getting a high draft pick for him either, so I'd just sign him and keep the tandem of Chubb and Hunt for a long time.
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Yet nobody was offering him anything when we picked him up with zero compensation last year.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. Not now, but if he's having a good year in 2020, as the trading deadline approaches, if we aren't in the playoff hunt, a team that is and needs a RB might pony up.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. Not now, but if he's having a good year in 2020, as the trading deadline approaches, if we aren't in the playoff hunt, a team that is and needs a RB might pony up. If we aren’t in contention trade him for whatever you can get.
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I think the Hunt situation is different than other RBs who did not bring much in a trade.
He's crazy young at 24...he's only played 2.5 years in the NFL so he's "fresh"...he did something stupid to get suspended but he's not got a craving for drugs that we know of...he's been praised by anyone asked.
Duke wasn't nearly as good/special as Hunt...yet drew a 3rd because he's young-ish and not beat up with overuse...and is quite good at what he is good at.
I'd give him the 1st Rd tender - which is probably more $ than we must - and try to sign him to a 3 yr deal. One less hole to fill for the near future. JMO
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Yet nobody was offering him anything when we picked him up with zero compensation last year. True and I hope we keep him no matter what is offered for him ...
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. Besides his baggage, I believe a team would offer more for Hunt than we got for Duke just because he brings more overall talent than Duke... The Texans were dumb to give up what they did for Duke Johnson. Teams, rightfully, don’t value running backs.
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Yet nobody was offering him anything when we picked him up with zero compensation last year. You are correct. But he was under suspension by the league because he kicked a woman. The optics were awful. I give/gave JD credit for taking that chance.
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I agree. Joe is really good that the cerebral part of MLB. But he doesn't have elite speed and too often his tackles end up several yards beyond the point of impact. He's good, not elite MLB good. Letting Schobert walk without an adequate replacement on the roster is not wise. My guess is that he will/is not demanding a top tier contract. Signing him to a contract similar to what Myles Jack got ( https://overthecap.com/player/myles-jack/4749/) would be a great deal for both sides. I'm curious to see what weight Montrel Meander comes into camp at. He's listed at LB on the official site now. I think we've got adequate replacements available. Maybe not great, but it's hard to tell without them getting more reps. It comes down to the contract. I think someone will pay Schobert more than I'd be willing to. He'd be nice to have back. Less nice since he won't be on a rookie contract any more. It'd be nice to make it work, but it's a business. We just drafted 2 LBs who are on rookie contracts.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. Besides his baggage, I believe a team would offer more for Hunt than we got for Duke just because he brings more overall talent than Duke... The Texans were dumb to give up what they did for Duke Johnson. Teams, rightfully, don’t value running backs. Your right so whose to say someone won't be dumb enough to offer a 1 or 2 for a better RB in Hunt 
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What makes you think that teams who wouldn't pay anything to him last off season suddenly see him as a player they will not only give up draft capital for, but also a much larger salary than we did?
He only played eight games and his stats don't jump out at you. The best case scenario would be to keep him for a year or two and give his value time to increase. Then you may actually get a premium for him.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. Not now, but if he's having a good year in 2020, as the trading deadline approaches, if we aren't in the playoff hunt, a team that is and needs a RB might pony up. If we aren’t in contention trade him for whatever you can get. If we're not in contention at the trade deadline, Haslam is going to take a flamethrower to everything.....again.
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And the things is, not only would they have to give up draft capital, but also match our contract offer. Yet we signed him for next to nothing during the off season. He carries a lot of baggage that Duke Johnson didn't. He's a restricted free agent so we would have to match the other team's offer. The point still stands though. No one is giving up a high pick for Hunt. Besides his baggage, I believe a team would offer more for Hunt than we got for Duke just because he brings more overall talent than Duke... The Texans were dumb to give up what they did for Duke Johnson. Teams, rightfully, don’t value running backs. Your right so whose to say someone won't be dumb enough to offer a 1 or 2 for a better RB in Hunt The Texans don’t have any picks left to trade.
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The Day we trade Hunt.. Chubb will tear a ACL.
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The Day we trade Hunt.. Chubb will tear a ACL.
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Yet nobody was offering him anything when we picked him up with zero compensation last year. You are correct. But he was under suspension by the league because he kicked a woman. He's not under suspension but he's one slip up away from an indefinite suspension. Also, because he has assaulted a woman some teams won't even touch him (which limits his market). I feel dirty even talking about that last sentence.
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The only thing that makes me a little more comfortable is that it seems like he went above and beyond what he was required to do by the NFL.
His family is really messed up as well ....... so hopefully the help he got will help him in all of his interpersonal relationships.
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