DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns hire Andrew Berry as GM and EVP of football operations

Bye Kareem.

Laugh all you want. I am enjoying this.

They ruled the world for 1000 years. If our success is equal we'll win the next 20 Superbowls.

Right? Thank you.

Well ... back to Depo, Stefnski, and now Berry ......

I am unimpressed. Maybe they'll surprise me pleasantly .... then again ....Haslam is involved .... so they'll probably all be gone in a year or 2.

Color me unimpressed.
I wish I could garner the positivity that Charlie Robinson has,what is his story,but been there,seen this too many times.
Would it be out of line to call these guys the Geek Squad?

Oh I do understand that. First he didn't really want the job. Then his family didn't want to move. Now some Yahoo reporter on Twitter gives you option three. The ever evolving Paton story nobody has any real evidence of.

Why am I not surprised by that?

And STAY OUT THE WAY HASLAM! Go back to marketing and counting your money for ONCE! YOU need to focus on what YOU do best and let these guys do their job WITHOUT YOUR INTERFERENCE! For once, use that gray matter between your ears. PLEASE!

LOL we have hired and fired so many people that we have to rehire the people who left or were fired.

Some people refer to that as retreads. Some people try to act like that's a good thing.

It'll be tough, Mac, given how the team regressed under Dorsey's command in his final year.

However, I believe the Nerds are up to the challenge!

Yeah, things were so much better when Berry and Depo were part of the trifecta.

I think Paton pulled out because he found out he would be workinh for a baseball guy and a idiot owner. So we get Berry. Wasn't he the of the guys that led us 1-31. the head coach we wanted from NE pulled out when he found out how things were run around here

I'm guessing (since that's all we really can do), but I bet there is a bit of truth to the story that Paton bowed out because he didn't think he was the #1 candidate. I also think that there's a little bit of 'recrafting the narrative' going on. I say that because I highly doubt a GM candidate that's as sought after as he supposedly is is going to be all gung-ho about coming from a safe environment into this dumpster (I love my Browns, but we are what we are).

I wanted Paton. I'm not pumped at all over bringing people back that were involved in the Corey Coleman, Kenny Britt, Kizer, etc offseasons. Those guys established that they're really good at getting high draft picks... not so much at putting together NFL-caliber rosters. Coaching had a hand in 1-31, but so did our rosters. Recording-setting sucking might've been part of the plan, but that's their legacy here in Cleveland, and I would rather get further away from that vs going back.

But hey... they all like each other, so that's cool.

am extremely leery of this FO pairing. Berry was part of the regime that we went 1-31 under, a part of the regime that passed on Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahommes….TWICE….EACH…..traded down selected Jabrill Peppers (a tweener with no real position) and David Njoku who was almost exclusively “Potential” selection that has done absolutely nothing, in which we passed on a number of players for. That list includes All Pro’s TJ Watt and Ryan Ramcyck taken in the same round directly after Njoku…..Then names like Dalvin Cook, Marcus Williams, JuJu Smith Schuster, Alvin Kamara etc.

That is terrifying. Absolutely abysmal.

Berry was VP of player personelle from 2016-2018.

2016
So we ended up with Corey Coleman instead of Carson Wentz, Joey Bosa or Zeke Elliot.

2017
Jabrill Peppers instead of the Mahommes or Watson.
Njoku instead of Watt or Ramcyck

2018 – Fired, Enter Jon Dorsey.


That is horrific. So, pardon my lack of enthusiasm.

Just to add another wrinkle to your rant... they traded down (effectively passing on all those QBs) to stockpile draft ammo to draft a QB.

Now, I'm of the belief that we no longer need to worry about getting said QB, but someone/some group that's that far off the mark... I dunno.

Yeah, if you can't identify the potential in Mahommes and Watson (who I was really an advocate of) then all the picks in the world are meaningless. We were considering passing on Garret for frigging Trubustsky if the reports are true.

Andrew Berry was never fired. His contract was up and left for the Eagles job.

For me, it's not that they missed out all these guys at different positions. The real indictment is that they were hell-bent on getting a franchise QB in place and actively, specifically, passed on 3 guys that have been playing incredible ball straight out the gates.

I can even excuse passing on Watson, what with the whole running QB thing, but passing on the other two is simply inexcusable.

IIRC, he was still under contract, but since he appeared to be blocked for a promotion here, the Eagles were allowed to interview and hire him for a higher position than he held here.

Regardless, not being retained in the NFL is virtually the same thing as being fired.

Todd Haley's contract "Ran out" in Pitt, everyone knew they weren't bringing him back.

Now we are holding things that we "almost did" against people?

Also, if we are going off rumors then there were rumors that we were going to take Mahomes before the Chiefs jumped us for him.

Was that meant to give them some sort of credit? If anything, you thought the guy was that good and got cute, ended up missing on probably the best player in the NFL for Jabrill Peppers. If you were trying to give them some credit for that, it just put an underline under how idiotic the strategy was.

All other teams: Trade up for franchise QB.
Browns: lets wait and see if he falls to us with our second pick.

Just win football games.

My excitement about any of this is non existent.

Don't really care what the names are.

Just win football games.

With Haslam it will be extremely difficult.

So tell us, Oh wise one.

How much influence did Berry have on ANY PICK WHILE HE WAS HERE?

NOONE has a clue what his responsibility was during that time.

Why are you unimpressed? Your aside about Haslam doesn't answer the question.

I myself am very impressed. Stefanski was a riser in the coaching ranks. Berry is well regarded all around the league as a top evaluator. Depo is held in high esteem doing what he does to support the other two.

Is it going to work? Only time tells that. We thought that Holmgren riding around on his golf cart was going to change things.

I think we have 3 bright, energetic guys who are good at what they do.

I don't think you can ask for anything more than that.

For the record we never passed on Mahomes twice.

And I still don't think Watson is as good as a lot of people think he is.

Yey, the boys are back in town! Yey....

I believe he was still under contract but rather left for a promotion.

Berry wasn't fired. He left when John came in because he knew Jon wasn't going to value his opinion after bringing in Wolf and Hightower.

Depo didn't leave because he could do his thing from anywhere in the world. He didn't need to be in Cleveland all the time, dealing with the Dorse.

I understand some of the skepticism, but I have been rooting for this team for 56 years and all I want is another winner, so I have to hope this is the time we get it right. Haslem has made many many mistakes and my hope is he has finally seen the light, I really like what I see and hear in Stefanski, we do have a talented roster and my hope is Berry and Depo do NOT clean house to the point of where we have to start over which I don't see happening. If and that is a BIG if, then we fill some holes during FA with some top talent (OL, S, LB, and TE) that we can finish the job through the draft and then start winning again as I remember as a child and as a young man. So My hope is that Haslem finally has gotten things right because I'm NOT getting any younger. GO BROWNS

Official Cleveland Fan Press Statement upon learning of this hire:

Actually, Berry was here with Dorsey the entire 2018 season. He left a year ago for promotion with the Eagles.

Cool....probably because he felt like a brown shoe at a black tie affair.

Old joke, but it applies.