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ball boy, perhaps.

I understand that but let me ask you this?

What positive does the team gain by claiming they couldn't keep a guy they wanted to keep? They could have simply let him go or said they couldn't have come to terms with a contract rather than display their desire to keep him if they planned to force him out.

Did his son also tell him to hate analytically driven baseball teams?

Mac, I actually agree with you here. Mutually parted ways is a corporate euphemism for fired. Offering someone a lower position knowing they won't accept it is one way to get out of situation (see also John Dorsey).

On that note, it's not surprising his dad was upset and lashed out.

I don't know, well, nobody knows, but my thinking is, (appearances are/were) They didn't so much whiff on Qb talent in mind, and say Kizer was better than the others,) but what more likely happened>> where they whiffed,
is they had numbers suggesting Qb. X, would be available at pick Y< so they waited, and when someone else took QB, X, they were stuck, and ended up taking Kizer on Day 2 as a consolation prize,
Which for various reasons resulted in known results.

Haslam is and will always be the wild card.

A mess? The Browns haven't even played a down of football yet!

Last year was certainly a mess though.

Only until he isn't. Records change.

It could take awhile. I'm stuck here for the ride. Might as well try to enjoy it.

Ok, probably so, but he didn't.

Tell me, what did Elliott Wolf do for the team?


I am not knocking the guy. I just don't know, you talk like you do. What did he do?

If investing a billion or so in something and having it grow 50% in value makes you a loser, where do I sign up?

That is the loser I like....Damn, I only improved 40-50%..LOL

I would like to know what a "football guy" is?

Are the Wolfs "football guys"?

Neither played college football from what i can tell.

Right now he has the worst winning % of any owner, in any sport, in modern history.

Yea Jimma!

That has kind of been my point all along. What defines football guy? Did you have to play the game past high school? Work in it for 25 years? Simply be employed by a team?

That can be true. But no amount of experience can make something out of somebody that they just don't have natural ability and talent for. Sometimes raw, inexperienced talent is a better solution than the long in the tooth experience that is mediocre or worse.

I'm just hoping that Stefanski can lead all these pieces - because that is that start, middle and end of it. A lot like the QB - if the QB is not up to the job, it makes it almost impossible to succeed. Trent Dilfer and one or two other really below average QB's are the absolute exceptions. With the F.O & coaching staff - it is all going to take Stefanski to be able to lead and bring out the best in all of the coaching staff. Even with Berry and the way we build the roster moving forward - clearly communicating the goals of the team in a constructive way would help the process.

On the other hand, I work with a gal who has been doing what she's doing for 30 years and she let's you know it EVERY day. She is absolutely terrible at the job. I mean horrifyingly bad.

Monken was an experienced OC, but failed with the Browns. Haley was an experienced OC, and former head coach, who failed with the Browns. Hue was a former HC with an 8 - 8 record, who failed with the Browns. Williams was an experienced DC coordinator and former HC, who succeeded with the Browns, but the experienced GM did not want, in spite of his Williams' experience and winning record with the Browns.

This tweet came across my feed and it feels relevant:

She sounds like Hue.

Experience matters. It also matters how you use the experience.

If you use it to change and get better, it's a good thing.

If you point at it and say, "this is the way I've always done it," it's a bad thing.

A quick search and...

Andrew Berry has been in and around football for 14+ years. In the NFL since 2009

Kevin Stefanski has been in and around football for 19+ years. Coaching in the NFL since 2006.

They are 32 and 37 years old, respectively.

I believe the men we now have in place are quite capable of doing a good job and bring us a winner. I also believe they need to be left alone to do the job without any interference from above. It would be novel if that were allowed to happen.

How does that make any difference in the fact that we have been the franchise with the worst record in football since he bought the team? It doesn't.

That's like saying someone bought gold cheap and the price went up. They had nothing to do with that. The value of every NFL franchises goes up.

But some peoplpe equate money with success and not winning with success as we see here.

That's because most people in the insurance business (large scale) don't last very long. Only sociopaths lack empathy enough to stick around.

Success is never ensured at hiring. It's all about what everyone involved does after. Someone can be the greatest person ever at some particular thing, but they can't do everything. If everyone else in the organization can't work with them, things aren't going to work out.

As long as everyone involved can do their job well enough, and they do it together, it can work out.

Of course it does Mac. I do agree 100%

Forfive me, I didn't go back to read in what context you are talking, I assume DePodesta.

The thing is that he has years of experience at what he does. He's not so much a football guy. He is employed by a football team to provide analytic information. He isn't calling the shots. That is what I am trying to tell you in a calm manner. He isn't. The things he brings to the team are tools for our decision makers to use to make the best decisions possible.

It's still up to Berry and the coach to make the decisions. I don't know how else to say that to you.

LOL...it was just a comment on a comment.


Go away.

We both know that's not going to happen. I'm just more willing to see there's two sides to this coin and somehow that bothers people. Oh well.

I can answer that one. He does NOTHING, because that's not his job no matter how much you try claim it is. I'm waiting for you to blame Chris Stanley because we went 1-31 over 2 seasons.

Depodesta is one of the only three people that have to report to Haslam on a weekly basis. The other two are the HC and GM. People need to stop pretending his input is somehow not as important. If it weren't he wouldn't be on that same level.

Of course his input is important, but its the amount of influence he will exert is where all the wacky claims come in.

He is a professional Sports executive, I'm sure he has meetings with Haslam about things other than roster composition.

Depodesta's job is to gather data. It is important. The GM, HC, and Haslam (and others) choose how to act on it.



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He definitely does. His role from the beginning was to look at and improve the organization as whole and see how the different aspects of it can better compliment each other, like nutrition, sports medicine, etc.. IIRC a couple seasons ago under Hue they were talking about data informing their decisions on recuperation times for minor injuries.

j/c

It's hilarious how hard people are trying to play down that Depo is one of only three people that meet with Haslam weekly, just as the HC and GM do,then pretend like his voice doesn't carry the same weight.

Because it's absolute nonsense. The head janitor from the facility might report to him as well. Is he helping with the next draft? Does he have as much power as Berry?? He must, by your definition his voice "carries the same weight".