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My point was simply that there are guys here on this site doing mock drafts year in and year out that do as well or better than many of the so-called professionals, and they do it with nothing but whatever junk information they find on the internet from the exact people that tweet mentioned.


Regardless of who it is, it smacks of being a troll account... be it affiliated or unaffiliated with anyone connected to Sashi, it seems to be an account with the sole purpose of triggering people that are easily triggered on that topic

To an extent, yes. Though there's always the issue of draftniks picking players in their mock drafts that go to other teams, and then retroactively thinking those players' success with other teams would have necessarily happened with the Browns. I think that is a mistaken assumption in the first place, due to the effect of coaching, scheme, culture, etc etc etc. on a player's development.

Also the Browns have been so bad at this, collectively over the last twenty years, it wouldn't surprise me if draftniks could do better than this team even if you could somehow adjust for the above. However, being better than the worst in the league doesn't mean they'd do better than the good teams, which is really what counts.


Lol, yes, I can go with that.

Whoever it is, that person is *very* dedicated to that topic and, in my opinion, has an obvious agenda.

Mac's evil twin!

J/c:

A quick Google search shows that the guy is an 80 year old, award winning Ivy League professor and philosopher. Graduated from Princeton and works at MIT and Columbia University.

so, Sashi's grandpa?

But the fact is it has.

The fact we have fired guys for not listening to the data says it WILL over rule things.

If your Stefanski, and you disagree with the data on something - guess what, you better go with the data or youll be shown the door. That's the precedent that has now been set.

No, we'll fire guys if they ignore data. I.e, throwing Depo's binders in the trash without even opening them.

Data should influence decisions. It doesn't make them.

Dorsey's insistence on effectively working with one hand tied behind his back was idiotic. Just because you don't know how to use a program, doesn't mean it can't help you if you figure it out. Dorsey was the old dog that refused to learn new tricks.

Data doesn't tell you what to do. You decide what to do with the data. Pretending the data doesn't exist is a road to being Blockbuster video.

Too harsh on me .on here ... *L* ...

I appreciate the concern .... but u don’t have to worry about me being offended ... I’ve been called everything on here ... in one ear and out the other ...

In spirit it would seem.

It might not even be the same Robert Stalnaker, but it seemed like a fairly unusual name and the pieces seemed to fit.

Yeah the Titans suck!

They lost. It didn't work.

Yet John Lynch and Shanahan are in the SB. Old school Andy Reid is in the SB.

I suppose that didn't work either.

I saw that. Side note: MIT is in Cambridge, MA. Cambridge is a suburb of Boston, which is where Sashi was born. The plot thickens! *play sinister music here*

Seriously though, I don't think the above matters at all. It's probably a different Robert Stalnaker or an alias (my money is on 'alias'). Though maybe it is that 80 year old professor/philosopher from MIT. Why he'd be so dedicated to posting about the Browns and how horrible everybody except Sashi/DePo/Berry has been in the Browns organization is up for debate.

I'll just chalk it up to the account belonging to a very, very dedicated Sashi fan while acknowledging the possibility that it could potentially be someone close to him or one of the analytics crew.

Some reading for you Pit.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/3/23/17157552/john-lynch-49ers-analytics-paraag-marathe

That's the difference between us. I think analytics is a great tool. I'm just not as thrilled with a staff that has never had experience in their previous positions who rely too heavily on it. I'd say every team uses them.

Yet it appears that some people actually in the loop feel we will rely too heavily on analytics. There's a difference.

What is too heavily on analytics? Letting an algorithm determine signings and draft picks? I don't know the answer. I do know that we have examples in other sports of data being used a ton and it works.

I would say to the extent that a great HC candidate pulls his name and a very highly respected football mind can't be convinced into staying here may be a clue.

I wouldn't want to work for the Haslams either!

(Are you talking about Matt Rhule? Also, we know nothing of the Paton situation other than what reporters have said and both sides have been presented.)

It was publicly stated that the Browns wanted to keep Wolf. It was also publicly stated that Paton withdrew his name from the HC job.

There was certainly something that appeared wrong here and even Wolf's dad talked about it being analytics being too heavily used.

I know, ten division titles and three SB rings means the Wolf family knows nothing.

Carry on......

Whoa. Things are even worse than we know.



If we are pissing of the 81 year old ex-front office people then we are doing something right in my book.

Yeah he just made that up without talking to his son about what's going on here. Andy Reid is 61. How old does a person have to be before we would need to do something to piss them off?

See you're ignoring the fact that his son has told him what's going on here. But that's okay. i know you have an opinion to bolster.

Two drinks!!

Two drinks!!

I'm glad I got sober.... this site would be KILLING me lately.

"Well, that's what the data told us"

I understand that you are having fun at Mac's expense here,but he raise's a valid point.
Just how much respect are these data guys going to get from the players?
They are all raw,green and one of them doesn't even reside in Cleveland.
Oh well,the 2020 Browns will look good on paper.The field will be a whole other story.

"well, that's what my eye told me"

"well, I know what my eyes tell me"

<Scouts taking accountability for every failed player they're responsible for>

I'm having a hard time seeing Andy Reid as Old School.

One thing that surprised me when researching Saleh was how tech savvy he apparently is.

Adapt or die.

Those that have sustained success do it. Those that don't... were with the Browns.

It'll be interesting to see what the Vegas over/under pings us as. I believe last year it was only at 9, despite what preseason expectations were.

The over/under isn't perfect, but then again, biased/emotional fan predictions aren't either.

I'm thinking 7 or 7.5 range. I'd take the under.

Who is in the loop? Wolf? He was in the loop in his day. It's a different day.

Talk to me properly, I'll talk to you properly. I consider you a friend. This is a start.

Exactly. There is no fool proof way. My eyes told me this, the numbers told me this....it takes both in todays football.


You best look at it from every angle possible to make a informed decision. It still doesn't mean it will work. The unknown is always going to be there.

So you don't think he talked to his son about what's going on here? The team wanted Eliot to stay. He refused to. Now how did his dad form his opinion of what's going on here?

I think one would have to admit that his dad based everything he said on what he was told by his son. That's what I meant by in the loop.

I don't doubt that. He was a Dorsey hire. New guys come in and want their guys around. I feel confident that Haslam put in a word, but he can't get any credit.

Elliott couldn't take the position being offered. Plus we don't know Elliots attitude towards Berry, who Haslam wanted to keep.

How do you know any of that? What we know is the Browns wanted to keep Eliot. He refused to stay. We know his dad then spoke out about analytics running things here.

We have no clue if he would have been kept at his current position or offered a different position. And you're right, we have no clue how he felt about Berry. But why would the Browns have tried to keep him if he wouldn't get along with Berry? Isn't that the exact opposite of what they said they would be doing with the people retained and hired? Make sure they would get along?

See, this is why we have communication problems surrounding this. I state what we do know. You try to fill in the blanks with pure conjecture.

It simply doesn't make sense that they would try to keep Eliot if they didn't have faith that he and Berry would get along. That doesn't make any sense.