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Then the process failed.

I said he showed some promise not that he was ready for prime time ... Just yet

If being the worst rated at his position is promise then a lot of our terrible players have promise.

It is just my opinion, but then if I said Jim Brown showed promise you would argue about it

Sometimes good process yields bad results. For example, throwing a perfect breaking pitch on the outside corner of the plate is good process. Sometimes the hitter hits it for a home run.

What we don't know is if is the process is good in picking the players (we will never know that answer). I will say that traditional "football guys" have horrible drafts all the time. Literally multiple teams every year. Picking quality NFL players is really hard.

Say Denzel Ward has promise and see what I say. . .

Jim Brown rushed for 942 yards and 9 td's in a 12 game season as a rookie. So no, in that case you would be making a reasonable comment.

Some people ...

What a weird thing to announce.

This is from the team's official site:

I agree. I have long held that protection up the middle is more important than protection on the edges. Pressure up the middle is the fastest way to the QB. In the face pressure is hard to beat. Edge pressure can easily be beat if the QB can step up 2-3 feet. By stepping up, the outside angels are ruined and the tackle is back in position to ride the DE outside.


I am not saying a guy like Joe T isn't a handy guy to have, but stonewall the middle like we did when Zeitler was here, the tackles only have one thing to think about, don't get beat inside.

Again we go back to inside pressure. QB's hate that. Give the QB room to step up 3 feet, all is good. The good one's internal clock is going to tell them when they need to do that. If you aren't throwing on the 2nd read, step up a few feet.
Buy another 2 seconds.

That one thing being edge rushers. The highest paid, most sought after position in the front seven of NFL defenses.

The cost of the market dictates that the OT position is the most important and highly paid position on the OL.

Well, maybe it needs to change. DT's who can bring it from the inside are rare, but if you get one, it is gold.


It is a fairly short list....Mean Joe, Alex Karras, Merlin Olsen, Aaron Donald, Reggie White, Randy White, There are others.


Guys like that ruin game plans. I'll tell you what, if Derrick Brown from Auburn is available when we draft, he requires a game plan for him. We need to draft him.

j/c...

All you need to do is convince the entire NFL of that.

I don't need to convince them. They will figure it out. The new style of QB play will tell them that.

The Cleveland Browns announced their first player related move of 2020 offseason by waiving center Lo Falemaka. Falemaka was an undersized center out of Utah that spent the 2018 season with the Seattle Seahawks before the Browns added last summer when they were short on bodies that could snap due to a few injuries.

Unfortunately for Falemaka, injuries have had a big impact on his career. He only started one season in college at Utah after redshirting his freshman year and then getting approved for a sixth year of eligibility after he suffered an injury for the Utes.

Falemaka's time with the Browns seemed over almost as it started when he suffered a shoulder injury. The Browns waived him with an injury designation during the summer only to have him clear waivers, reverting to their injury reserve list.

The Browns signed J.C. Tretter to an extension to be their starting center, but they also have a few other options that can play behind him. Eric Kush, seems like the favorite to be the next man up, operating as a swing man for both guard and center.

After those two, it's a little more up in the air, though the team did sign Willie Wright to a reserves/futures contract after he spent the entire season on the practice squad. Wright played tackle in college at Tulsa, but he was utilized as both a guard and center in camp last year. In terms of physical traits, Wright has a great athletic profile, a good build and plays really hard when he's on the field. He's also younger than Falemaka, so while the Browns could bring in more competition at the position, Falemaka always looked like the odd man out at this position, functioning as a short term body that got hurt and was around due to being on injured reserve.

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/cleveland-browns-waive-center-lo-falemaka

#RosterTurnover

Wasn't their first move signing that PS fullback from Minny?

Yes. Sports Illustrated Maven is trash. I wish no one would ever post a link from the site.

Yep. When Maven Media bought Sports Illustrated they were able to use the reputable Sports Illustrated brand to give them credibility to articles written by Maven writers, much of whom are no more than fans with time on their hands to write opinion pieces.

Maven Media guessed correctly, because many people think they are actually reading Sports Illustrated articles by Sports Illustrated journalists. They're anything, but that.

More clicks on the Maven articles because of the SI brand, higher ad revenue and they do not have to pay actual journalists.

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I thought this was kinda funny.

Just a thought. How will we know if any of the players we have should be replaced until we get the new system in?

Technically it doesn't go into effect until the new league year. At least that's the way I understood the reserve/futures contracts article. Plus, didn't we sign him before the Superbowl, which would mean the off-season hadn't started yet?

Not that it was a great article. I've seen many worse, though.

j/c...

He was also not good.

Better blocker than our TEs last season. Hands about as good as some we had there, too.

Not saying a whole lot, but depending on how you plan on using him, he does have some positive uses. If he can stay healthy.

Hands are desired at receiver. If you're just looking for competent bodies on special teams and ones that can block for other receivers on bubble screens and run fly sweeps at discount prices, he's not the worst choice ever.

Fine. Dorsey was a bum and the worst GM since the return. Since all of the players he brought in suck. Let's purge every single Dorsey player. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Clear out all of the players that he brought in and what do we have? Then we can get picks and cap room and do nothing at all with it which is EXACTLY what we were doing before Dorsey came. How many QB's did we pass on? Too SCARED to take a chance on one. How much cap space did we have? Yet how many FA's did we bring in? You like that so much then hell why not bring back Sashi and let him run it all? It was SO great that you want to return to those glory days... 1-15 and 0-16 were special years. By all means lets get back to that kind of Browns football since you enjoyed it so bloody much.

Overreact much?

Nobody is saying Dorsey was a bum, and Berry has already addressed the issue of purging the roster. He has no plans to do that. Obviously the roster isn't going to stay 100% the same. Rosters turn every year, on every team.

Think you need to combine that with this:

Have a link?

I don't know why you say Dorsey was a bum. He wasn't the worst GM we've had STR but he still wasn't very good.

You don't like the new-GM-roster-purge? Maybe that's why you said Dorsey was a bum. He jettisoned a lot of good players...and replaced them with really good practice squad players and backups.

Maybe you said Dorsey is a bum because of his lack of success in bringing in good free agents or at least better free agents than the ones he created by releasing them. Well...he did bring in Sheldon Richardson and...well...Sheldon Richardson.

Maybe you said Dorsey was a bum because of his numerous questionable draft picks...or his job-changing hire of Freddie.

In the end, I disagree with your saying that Dorsey was a bum. He wasn't a bum. But he was certainly nothing special while here.

FWIW, I really didn't have an issue with Dorsey. If he could have reigned in his ego he may have been fine here. But he got himself down-sized and couldn't deal with that. It's ok. My biggest beef is with the "all the talent he brought in" mantra... which is complete BS.

Don't need one.

J/C ... you completely missed the sarcasm, didn't you?

I look at Dorsey's time here like this:

When he took over this team, we had:

0 QB
1 backup/3rd down RB
1 TE
3 OL
1 RB

That was the offense.

We had a pair of really good DL, and a pair of useful LB. (one is a guy who moved inside to become a Pro Bowler in Schobert)

We had nothing in the secondary.

People want to talk about the "mistake" he made with Nassib, but what had he done here? Sometimes a guy has to get cut in order to figure it out. It happens all the time.

Dorsey was nothing special? Turning this team around, even to get to 7 and 6 wins, is a major accomplishment in and of itself. This team was in freefall, with very little talent, when Dorsey got here. (as noted above) I think that people forget just how bad this team was when Dorsey first got here.

Going into the season everyone everyone was farting rainbows and roses. They felt the talent was great. Now that Freddie botched up the season, everyone is trying to rewrite history.

Everyone includes you.

Not me though. I think John Dorsey built a great roster, he just lacks the interpersonal skills to survive in a workplace where he needs to rely on others.

I love how football fans on a message board suddenly see themselves as masters of psychoanalysis.