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It depends on what time he is referring back to, Sashi Brown's time or John Dorsey's time or both.

U think Sashi and Hue got along at some point ... ...

I don't think so. I also don't think John Dorsey was very collaborative. My guess is that Andrew Berry was just trying to be nice and answer the question without ruffling feathers.

Or he was referring to the FO collaboration when it was Sashi, DePo, Berry & scouts.
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And then there was Hue Jackson and Mike Silver's collaboration.

I doubt Berry would want to open that can of worms at his introductory press conference.

That can should be buried Deep in the depths of the ocean .... *L* ....

I don't think he is opening a can of worms by referring to his preferred collaboration the last time around. I cannot imagine him meaning what he saw between Depo/Analytics Dept. and Dorsey/Scouts & Kitchens and perhaps a reason why he moved on. That was oil and water. What else would be referring to is my question.

Hue was the problem re: collaboration. Not anyone else.

Well of course it was.......

Stop with that crap.Did you not learn anything last year?
New coaches,new schemes,new players.Be happy if the Browns are not a bottom 5 O.

We also need good QB play and play calling...

I guess it all depends on the motive behind Jimmy's contribution to the dysfunction is. I mean, if we're supposed to believe that he went running around purposefully pitting different departments against each other, and pitting subordinates against their superiors... then yeah, it's totally likely he would have kept Hue around in spite of an obvious failing working relationship.

I'm absolutely willing to side with you about the entire situation being over blown, if that reason is applied across the board.

This is why many people question the run-heavy approach Stefanski ran in Minnesota last year....it was mandated by Zimmer when Stefanski took on the role of OC. "Run heavy" meaning 50.5% of the pass calls but that was third highest in the NFL from what I saw.

I'm curious to see what Stefanski does here in Cleveland. I hope it is not confined to simply running more or passing more. I hope each game plan is designed to target the defenses weaknesses based on what the analysis shows.

We pretty much have that structure. It doesn't look like Stefanski is as hardheaded as Zimmer at HC, though, which I see as a positive. We've got a bunch of people who combine analytics and scouting.

You said Depo is over everything, so he is a member of the pro scouting team.

Check and Mate, lol!

U say all depo does is set up process ... he was in on the last two hiring interviews ... so he does in fact do more than set up process .... no? ..

Please clarify to what degree he does more, then. Be specific, because he has been specific that he creates and implements processes.

Now, if *I* have to guess, it is that he did homework on the guys being sought and because of that he is in there to see if the person in the room matches the person on the papers in front of all of them. In the end, he is a sounding board and just part of the process, but in no way a decision maker. At most, he gets to say whether or not he feels the interviewee is someone he can work with, or whom he believe will be capable of working with him.

It isn't this freaking difficult to comprehend folks, and despite it being the Browns, there isn't something nefarious around every corner.

I think he just sits in on those interviews and does nothing, says nothing and has no input. He's purely the window dressing.

Well thank god you know how it works ...

Let me guess ... he don’t have the thief’s ear either ... ..

Fact is ... NONE of us know what his role is or exactly how much influence he has on the thief ... but hey ,,, fell free to think u do ...

Interviews are a process. The guy who put the process together making sure it's run as intended makes sense, no?

"Now sit here and look pretty DePo. You distract him, and we'll get answers when he's not thinking."

Of course he has his ear... he's one of the Executives. I think we differ on just what or how much that means, however.
I mean, it clearly didn't mean much the last two coaching hires, right?

Ummm ... he wanted kev las year ... so I’m not sure how he didn’t have a hand in it ...

And IMO he’s the main reason KJ’s gone ...

U guys are kidding yourselves if u think he sat in on all those interviews just to make sure the process was done right ,,, that’s actually delusional IMO ...

The fact he didn't get his guy last year but got his guy this year plainly indicates his level in the power structure has increased.

lol, ok... you rock on with your conspiracy of.. whatever.

Gepettodesta... the puppet master is pulling all the strings

You got that backwards Diam. You kidding yourself if you think Depo ever picked our GM, Head Coach, Assistant coach, draft pick, free agent, traded for a player, signed a free agent, or told the Browns how much they could offer a player a contract for. That is all a bigger fairy tale than Cinderella.

I'm not saying he's pulling all the strings. But since he didn't get his hand picked HC last year but got him this year, how does it become a logical conclusion that his level in the power structure has not increased?

I mean if you sit in on the interview and you get your hand selected HC of choice, it seems pretty obvious you have a lot of influence in that decision making.

I don't really get the angst about DePo being in the interview room. Who else was going to be there? As it was, it was Jimmy, Dee, and Jimmy Jr. (or was it a son-in-law?) that was the interview panel. I mean, thank God at least DePo was in there as well.

It was his son -in-law

Also don't forget his daughter is one of our owners as well.

Point is, whatever your opinion of DePo may be, he's the only one in there that's even remotely qualified to interview a coach or GM. Jimmy or Dee have to be there since they're signing the checks.

I don't think it means anything in regard to influence; it merely means someone finally took time to listen to what he said. The last two coaching hires, what he suggested was not listened to, so all it says to me is that Haslam finally decided to listen to him (who also happens to be one of the only people left through all other changes).

IF things work out this time, then Yes, I think that will translate to an increase in influence, but I can't say that I believe that not being listened to in the past bestows added influence this time around... it feels more like Jimmy did a "ok, fine, let's try listening to the Harvard kid this time" thing.

Jimmy has been inserting himself and his ideas - like a Jerry Jones - every step of the way since he bought the team, and literally every single thing he has touched in that regard was a crapfest in short order. Maybe, just maybe, he ate a small slice of humble pie and decided that he needs to actually listen to the advice he is paying people for.

It seems that your answer is exactly what I'm saying. If people are now listening to you and taking your suggestions/recommendations, that certainly is an obvious increase in your influence in the power structure.

I think any differences in view are buried in the semantics of the word "influence".

So if you didn't listen to someone before and you are listening to them now, that isn't having more influence?

Not necessarily or inherently, no, it is not.

1 : the power or capacity of causing an effect in indirect or intangible ways : sway
2a : the act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion of force or direct exercise of command