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I’m an actions speak louder than words dawg also ...

His words make him sound extremely selfish also ... he speaks of personal goals as opposed to team goals almost if not every single time ...

And the fact he wanted that sack so bad with 10 seconds left in a 20+ point games was an EXTREMELY SELFISH act ... he risked injury on a plat that literally meant nothing to get a notch in his belt ....

This is the conclusion people arrive at when they base their opinions on an isolated incident rather than looking at things as a whole.

What's the evidence to the contrary?

His entire life.

Really?

I'll ask again, what's the evidence to the contrary?

His entire life. There has never been an incident like this during his entire playing time as a youth or as an NCAA player. Never before as a pro. You do understand the concept of an isolated incident, right?

Rish likes Myles about as much as mac like nerds.

The problem is they didn't treat the "troublemaker" the same. Lawson had already been suspended the first four games of the season.

The NFL has scrubbed all the video of the incident involving Lawson off the internet and isn't releasing what they have. Arbitrarily assigning different punishment to different people for the same infraction is the issue. The lack of transparency is another.

What message does it send? Well, some people swinging helmets isn't so bad?

He says stupid things.

He gets stupid penalties.

He hurt his team in the worst possible way at the worst possible time.

I don't know him personally so I can't say anything about his entire life. I know him as a fan and he's a meathead.

We have a very unlikable team in general.

So other than this single incident, you really don't have anything.

I guess we should make sure every player we draft take a course in public speaking first.

I disagree with Rishuz but I can understand where he's coming from. The hits Garrett had in the Jet game were bordering on dirty (or were just dirty).

Myles Garrett is my favorite player on the team. I think he made a bad choice. I would expect him to come back and be the same guy he was before the helmet swing.

I don't like selfish players.

Myles plays selfish.

For me, it wasn't that single incident.

Maybe it's just that I like physical players. I love hard hits and all the intensity that can be brought to the game within the confines of the rules.

I think playing soft has been a huge part of the problem here. I actually feel players get paid to play with all of the intensity they can muster. I believe Myles does that and I appreciate seeing it on the field.

He was certainly wrong with what happened in the Steelers game and deserved to be punished for it. But nothing in his history shows he should be indicted as a bad person for a single incident.

Then point those incidents out and stop speaking in generalities.

We might be off topic here, but I think public speaking should be mandatory in high school. Nothing puts the pressure on while speaking in front of a group.

You have to be able to do it because soon enough, you are going to be speaking in front of one, or a group you are trying to convince you are the person they should hire for the job.

It reminds of a scene in "My Cousin Vinny". The friend of Vinny's nephew went with another lawyer. The guy gets up there stammering, stuttering, and gyrating around.

In a movie it was funny as heck. In real life, not so funny.

I'm going to try this one more time. Probably won't work but I'll take the high road here for once.

I think Myles is a selfish player that puts himself before the team. I think he says things that support his desire for individual recognition then demonstrates it on the field. He has gotten numerous offsides and personal foul penalties at critical points in games that hurt the team. The offsides penalties demonstrate a lack of discipline and hurt the team. The personal foul penalties demonstrate a lack of control and hurt the team. I am not surprised that the culmination of all of that was what we witnessed in the Pitt game.

No, I'm not going to look up every single penalty. Have at it if you want.

I don't care what Myles does off the football field. I only care about what he does on the football field to help my team win. Does that make him a bad person off the football field? I have no idea and I don't care. I dont know the guy. Just help the team win games. Dont do stupid stuff that hurts the team. Pretty simple.

Now you want to take this to a strawman that Myles is a bad person. I don't care if he's a good person or bad person. He's a selfish football player.

While we disagree I appreciate your effort to clarify your position.

Thing is, there’s no replay of the Nevin Lawson helmet swing. I searched and nothing came up, even shaky, grainy footage off a phone from the cheap seats. That’s a big difference to what we have from Myles’ incident. Within seconds, and for the entire world to see, images and videos were all over ESPN, NFL Network, Twitter, IG, Facebook, ABC, NBC, etc. For Nevin, nobody saw it. Heck, it’s the first I’m hearing of it.

I don't blame Myles. I may have done the same thing.

I also don't blame the NFL. It is what it is.

You live, you learn, you pay the price and move on.


Life is all about living, learning, and paying the price. How many out there haven't had some trouble, be it some legal trouble, getting deep in to credit, or a failed relation with another man or woman, or some combination of all. Maybe problems with children.


It's a part of growing up. We really don't grow up until abut 50 years old. At that point we have gained the experience and maturity to say, "not again". That is the young man's or young woman's row to hoe.

I am not doing that again, that's hard. I know. I have been there. Some of you are, or will. Learn your lessons. It is why we are here.

there is this fyi

Why would anyone ever expect consistency to come from Roger Goodell?

I can think of few things whackier than the idea that being offsides reflects selfishness. Wow!!! the reality is so obvious to anyone who can manage to see over the biases. which means no chance with rishuz.

I would think the NFL will pick the right time to re-instate Garrett.

probably before the draft. that way, it gets swept back under the PR rug nicely as everyone focuses on other things.

Sure ... please explain to me why MG has all ready been offsides more than lets pick Charles Haley and Von Miller or any of the other great sack artist throughout the history of the league in their entire careers ....

Good luck with that one ...

Wow, where did you find that set of stats? LOL I can't recall ever seeing a statline for having been off-sides.

Von Miller says offsides penalties won't change guess the snap count approach

According to this site:

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/penalties-player.html?yr=2017&tm=&sort=off

Von Miller had 5, 2 and 3 off-sides penalties accepted in 2017, 2018 and 2019. Garrett had 2, 6 and 2 those same years, so they're both tied at 10. Miller also had quite a few sacks in the years previous to Garrett getting drafted.

I took a shot ... MG is offsides all the time ... I’m shocked he was only offsides twice in two of his years ... that don’t seem right .... these guys wouldn’t make that up so it must be right ...

.. i figured the menZas would confirm if i was wrong .. not a peep if i was right ... guess i was wrong about Miller and they may not have stats from that far back for Haley ...

I wonder how many times they declined offsides on MG last year and his other only two times offsides years.... two certainly don’t feel right to me ... oh well .... maybe the 6 just sticks in my head ...

Then again he had two in what ... 9 or 10 games ...

I recall at least twice in the past 2 seasons where Garrett was called off-sides, but the TV replays showed that he had timed the snap perfectly.

WE should have a right to know his status before FA/draft. Right to run your boat and compensate for Goodell's arbitrary and capricious handling IMO.

Agreed. You can consistently see that the moment the center started to move the ball Myles takes off like he's shot out of a cannon and is already a step across the line by the time the ball hits the QB's hands.

Replay shows he wasn't offsides, but he's so quick I also have a hard time blaming the refs for calling it.

Here are the stats for the number of penalties called, types of penalties called, if they were declined, offsetting, etc., sortable for each player in the NFL from 2009 thru 2019.

Enjoy!

NFL Penalties

*L* ... that’s appropriate and funny ...

j/c:

Seems like that statement was ready to go so I'm guessing the team and Garrett knew this was coming either yesterday or even Monday.