DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Conn. high school girls file lawsuit arguing that allowing transgender athletes to compete is sex discrimination

I wonder if the winners are eligible for scholarships to college for the women’s sports they competed in ...

Anyone have any clue? ... just curious ...

Claim: ”Transgender girls and women are not “real” girls or women and therefore not deserving of an equal competitive opportunity.”

Reality: Transgender students of all gender identities, including transgender girls deserve to live and compete according to their gender identity. To align one’s external gender presentation with one’s internal sense of gender identity is a deeply significant and difficult choice that is made only after careful consideration. Female athletes, regardless of whether they are cisgender or transgender, should not be excluded from participation in athletics or any other extracurricular activities

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Claim: "Being assigned male at birth gives transgender athletes competing in women's sports unfair advantages in athletic competition. Being assigned female at birth is correlated with being weaker and more sensitive, making transgender athletes competing on men's teams a competitive liability."

Reality: It’s easy to generalize, but it’s not accurate. There is no research to support the claim that allowing trans athletes to play on the team that fits their gender identity will create a competitive imbalance. Trans children display the same variation in size, strength, and athletic ability as other youth

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Claim: “Boys or men will pretend to be transgender in order to compete in competition with girls or women.”

Reality: There have been no reported instances of a boy pretending to be transgender and presenting as a girl in their high school to fraudulently join a sports team. Well-developed policies require that students who identify as transgender demonstrate a consistent gender identity in everyday life, verified by people in the student’s life and/or health professionals.

We reviewed 31 national and international transgender sporting policies, including those of the International Olympic Committee, the Football Association, Rugby Football Union and the Lawn Tennis Association.

After considering the very limited and indirect physiological research that has explored athletic advantage in transgender people, we concluded that the majority of these policies were unfairly discriminating against transgender people, especially transgender females.

The more we delved into the issue, the clearer it became that many sporting organisations had overinterpreted the unsubstantiated belief that testosterone leads to an athletic advantage in transgender people, particularly individuals who were assigned male at birth but identify as female.

There is no research that has directly and consistently found transgender people to have an athletic advantage in sport, so it is difficult to understand why so many current policies continue to discriminate. Inclusive transgender sporting policies need to be developed and implemented that allow transgender people to compete in accordance with their gender identity, regardless of hormone levels.

Currently, there is no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones, gender-confirming surgery) and, therefore, competitive sport policies that place restrictions on transgender people need to be considered and potentially revised.

here is no clear scientific evidence proving that a high level of T is a significant determinant of performance in female sports. A randomized placebo-controlled study would be unethical. However, a publication by Rickenlund et al (32) studying athletes active in endurance sports reported that the hyperandrogenic subgroup (T concentration 1.9 ± 0.2 nmol/L) showed a more anabolic body composition, a higher total bone mineral density (BMD), and upper to lower fat mass ratio as well as the highest maximal oxygen uptake and performance values in general than did oligomenorrheic or amenorrheic athletes with normal androgen levels (1.1–1.2 ± 0.4 nmol/L). Similarly, Hagmar et al (22) reported an overrepresentation of polycystic ovaries in female Olympic athletes (37% vs 20% in the general population). This PCOS subgroup showed a higher T concentration and free androgen index than those observed for regularly menstruating or non-PCOS Olympian athletes. This last recruitment bias supports the assumption that there is an ergogenic effect of T in high-level female athletes. Congenital adrenal hyperplasia is a possible cause of virilization in our elite female athletes. Among our studied population, none of the 13 athletes with a 17-hydroxyprogesterone serum concentration above 8 nmol/L showed increased T or A4 (data not presented), ruling out the possibility of an untreated 21-hydroxylase deficiency, the most common form of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, as a cause of the high T levels.

So, if there is no advantage, why don't we see transgender men competing in men's/boys sports? To make it clear: Someone born as a female, who later identifies as a male: Why don't we hear about them playing male sports or competing against males.

Now, this is different than a female wanting to play football as a female, or a female wrestling on a boy's team.

I don't have a problem if someone identifies as the opposite sex, but to claim, regardless of studies, that a male gains no advantage competing in a female sport against females seems just a tad 'out there' to me.

I'm gonna identify as a woman so i can compete in womens volleyball in the olympics.

i just want to be a good teammate...

but there is an undeniable reason that almost every record that involves strength, speed, endurance.. the men's record is better (often significantly better) than the women's record.

Posts 4 different times to tell us they/them won't discuss it. lol so predictable

When people are willing to drop their prejudice about this issue on this board, I’ll jump in with what I’ve learned.

This isn’t complicated, but the “everyone is equal” crowd that wants to stand behind the “science” on everything religion related gets complete amnesia on basic biology when it comes to trans people.

Are you arguing the studies got their results from an imaginary planet?

Thank you for the response. It feels good to have decent dialogue for once around here.



This is where we have to use factual data to guide our reasoning.

I very much understand that skeletally and physiologically about the concerns, yet research is showing despite the physical differences there's truly not much of an unfair advantage. It seems many studies posit that athletes who identify as trans compete at a similar level to the gender they actually identify with.

I feel like a Chiefs fan trapped in a Browns body.

The three are arguing that competing against biologically male athletes has denied them the chance to win medals and achieve scholarship opportunities.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/connecticut-h...-discrimination

They may be at a similar level in something like basketball, but in a sport measured in hundreds of a second, any physical advantage based on gender creates an unfair advantage.