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I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about wide receivers.

I thought we were talking about GMs whiffing on draft picks.

J/C

Over the last few years we’ve passed on Wentz, Watson, Mahomes, and Lamar ... that’s not ideal

Mahomes and Watson to me are the crimes here. I would have liked it if they drafted Wentz but I also understand the thinking in that first draft. Of course the execution of drafting Coleman made the passing on Wentz more painful.

Jackson is taking the NFL by surprise. He needed a perfect storm of factors to succeed and got it.

Watson was a bona fide leader, winner, and champion in college. There was no reason to pass on him at all.

And in Mahomes case, if they scouted the guy and liked him and really wanted him they should have never let themselves get leapfrogged in the draft.

Who did bettor Farmer or the guys that tried ... ..

That was part of the convo ...

Your peeps that passed on this years SB MVP and at least one other franchise QB and possibly a 3rd in Wentz who is at least well above average also brought us the worst QB room in the history of football and not one legite NFL starter was in the room over two years ...

Meanwhile KJ who passed on Lamar twice also brought in Bake ....

Thanks for playing ...

The problem with the Wentz argument is that they thought they had competent QBs on the team already. The WR room was a mess. You need both for either to be very successful.

What team has done well when their top two QBs got hurt the first few weeks of the season?

As much as they are now protected, how do you predict two QBs getting injured that quickly?

Sometimes I wonder how much bad injury luck plays into the bad analytics perception. I also wonder why RGIII didn't just throw the ball away after all the training camp over the fence stories instead of getting broken on a scramble.

It's impossible to run a Baylor style deep passing offense with Kessler at QB.

I wonder where we'd be today if RG3 never got hurt.

RG3 has been a back up ever since he left here. So....

That's irrelevant.

Well of course it is. The fact he's not good enough to be a starter anywhere in the league is something that doesn't fit with what you hoped the answer to your question would be.

You ask a hypothetical question you get a hypothetical answer.

Haha, what?!

It's 100% irrelevant. RG3 was our starter that year who was injured in the very first game. We didn't win a game that year until he returned to the starting lineup.

The rest of what you said is you trying to argue something I never said.

His performance since that injury tell the story. Unless of course you wish to rewrite history.

So he passed on the league MVP for a guy with 900 INTs? Fail.

J/c

I agree w/those who think the passing of Watson/Mahomes is worse than Wentz/Jackson.

Watson especially ... he was highly touted and a lot of people loved his leadership/tools

You obviously misunderstood what I said. I said I wonder where we'd be if he NEVER got hurt. And me saying I WONDER pretty much excludes me from rewriting history.

Any other words you want to put in my mouth?

You just hate Baker! You are such a bad person!!!

So what is your opinion if he "never got hurt"?

If RGIII never got hurt we would all be dead because the ground would have moved beneath our feet to such an extent the earth would have swallowed itself.

Is this a thread about free agency and roster cuts in the 2020 off season?

Obviously.

Ya that was the problem ... ...

It had zero to do with the crap qb’s they brought in ...
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You oughta change your handle to the “excuse maker” ...

Don’t forget he was so good he sat out a year after he left here ...

These guys are sticking up for and/or making excuses for dudes that left here and STUNK or rode the pines ...

It shows a serious lack of football knowledge or just a crazy agenda ...

Goodness me. Why do people insist on making things up to argue about?

Sure it was ... we all ready had Bake menZa ... good god man ... look what your trying to argue here ....

Right now your comparing passing on Lamar when we had Bake to passing on the best QB in the game today and another top 5 one for RG3 and then Deshaun Kizer ... BRILLIANT COMPARISON ... you’ve definitely won this debate with that sound reasoning .. ...

Your making yourself look clueless with this argument ...

Keep it up ... u keep lobbing up softballs cause your so jaded ...

I’d ask what I made up but there’s a reason i respond to you about as often as i do Mac ...

Baker and Lamar were in the same draft class.

You're making things up!

U got me again ... ...

Perhaps we should rename this site "The DawgTalkers Debating Society"...

You make it easy.

So we can come to this conclusion now:

John Dorsey was bad because he passed on the youngest MVP of all time to draft a QB who doesn't care about his craft and throws 900 INTs a season.

Lol!

All I said was I wonder where we'd be today if RG3 never got hurt. It was a rhetorical question and it's been spun into a "debate" about something that was never really brought up.

It's every thread. Topic disappears after the usual bickering between the same parties takes over.

I agree w/you and it is the main reason I left the board for a bit. The other reason is that I think it was ignorant to fire Dorsey and replace him w/the guys who led us to 1 and 31. The latter is an opinion. It doesn't mean I am right, but I should be able to voice it w/out being called "ignorant." Trust me, I am far from "ignorant."

Go through a thread and identify the guys that turn it into a personality contest. Then, take a look at the guys who "like" the insulting post. They are the same handful of guys in thread after thread after thread.

It's not "Pure Football." It's Personality Place. You and I have disagreed often. However, you don't resort to childish character attacks to make your point. I respect that and I actually like it if you disagree. Debate leads to learning. There are a handful of posters on here who ruin honest debate w/their constant insults and character traits. Call someone a name or assassinate their character and the same 5-7 dudes "like" that.

Um... you're one of them.




Um... you're one of them.

j/c:

Any word on Schobert's situation? Some folks were trashing Dorsey during the season because he hadn't gotten a deal done w/Schobert. I haven't heard them complaining since the changing of the regime. The season is over. You would think that re-signing Joe would be a priority.

″[Berry and I have] communicated since [he’s] been hired, which kind of had broken down, I think, with the previous regime,” Schobert said. “But I guess we still just have to see where it goes, see where it leads, and if both sides can reach an agreement, then that’d be great. I’d love that, but you never know.”

Thanks Fish. Appreciate it.

I do think it's important to keep Joe. He brings a lot to the table. He's very intelligent on the field and I think that is often undervalued by many of us fans.

I get why people would be fine watching Joe leave in FA. He's going to command a huge contract, I think whoever lands him will end up overpaying.

I wish we were in a position to allow him to walk in FA. But we aren't. Pay the man.

I really thought that this would be a done deal by now literally. What is there to take exception to beyond price which you have a hand in establishing. Hope we are not one of the types who who know the price of everything and the value of nothing (or value nothing).

I thought this year at least that he would be a necessity as opposed to part-timers like Kirksey. Pay the man, even if it is a one-year show me thing with incentives.