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I agree with that. I think he’s going to probably get more than he deserves, but we’ll see

Not sure if Mary Bae is ad-libbing (not her strong suit) or if she has inside info, something she has had a streak of lately....



https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/02...y-mary-kay.html

Just one thing about her comments. Conklin is a RT not a LT.

PFT’s Free Agent Top 100

Charean Williams - Pro Football Talk
February 24, 2020

The following are PFT’s top 100 free agents for the start of the 2020 league year. The rankings include prospective unrestricted and restricted free agents, as well as released players. The list will be updated as events warrant, with signings, tags and re-signings denoted when announced and/or reported.

1. Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott

2. Saints quarterback Drew Brees

3. Patriots quarterback Tom Brady

4. Chiefs defensive lineman Chris Jones

5. Cowboys receiver Amari Cooper

6. Titans quarterback Ryan Tannehill

7. Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston

8. Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers

9. Buccaneers edge rusher Shaq Barrett

10. Broncos cornerback Chris Harris

11. Jaguars defensive end Yannick Ngakoue

12. Seahawks edge rusher Jadeveon Clowney

13. Cowboys cornerback Byron Jones

14. Washington guard Brandon Scherff

15. Vikings safety Anthony Harris

16. Broncos safety Justin Simmons

17. 49ers defensive lineman Arik Armstead

18. Patriots guard Joe Thuney

19. Rams inside linebacker Cory Littleton

20. Saints quarterback Teddy Bridgewater

21. Bengals receiver A.J. Green

22. Titans running back Derrick Henry

23. Titans offensive tackle Jack Conklin

24. Rams outside linebacker Dante Fowler

25. Ravens outside linebacker Matthew Judon

26. Saints quarterback Taysom Hill (restricted)

27. Colts offensive tackle Anthony Castonzo

28. Steelers outside linebacker Bud Dupree

29. Jets receiver Robby Anderson

30. Chargers tight end Hunter Henry

31. Falcons tight end Austin Hooper

32. Panthers cornerback James Bradberry

33. Texans defensive tackle D.J. Reader

34. Steelers defensive tackle Javon Hargrave

35. Titans cornerback Logan Ryan

36. 49ers safety Jimmie Ward

37. Patriots safety Devin McCourty

38. Vikings cornerback Trae Waynes

39. Patriots defensive end Kyle Van Noy

40. Cowboys defensive end Robert Quinn

41. Chargers running back Melvin Gordon

42. Buccaneers receiver Breshad Perriman

43. Browns linebacker Joe Schobert

44. Packers offensive tackle Bryan Bulaga

45. Giants defensive end Leonard Williams

46. Rams defensive end Michael Brockers

47. Seahawks defensive tackle Jarran Reed

48. Ravens defensive tackle Michael Pierce

49. Patriots outside linebacker Jamie Collins

50. Bills defensive end Shaq Lawson

51. Cardinals running back Kenyan Drake

52. Titans quarterback Marcus Mariota

53. Browns safety Damarious Randall

54. Jets cornerback Brian Poole

55. Lions guard Graham Glasgow

56. Cowboys receiver Randall Cobb

57. Broncos defensive lineman Shelby Harris

58. Colts tight end Eric Ebron

59. Packers inside linebacker Blake Martinez

60. Buccaneers defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul

61. Texans cornerback Bradley Roby

62. Saints cornerback Eli Apple

63. Bears safety Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

64. 49ers receiver Emmanuel Sanders

65. Panthers safety Tre Boston

66. Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith

67. Broncos center Connor McGovern

68. Chiefs cornerback Kendall Fuller

69. Eagles offensive tackle Jason Peters

70. Vikings cornerback Mackensie Alexander

71. Eagles safety Rodney McLeod

72. Bills defensive tackle Jordan Phillips

73. Broncos defensive end Derek Wolfe

74. Chiefs receiver Demarcus Robinson

75. Panthers offensive tackle Daryl Williams

76. Falcons edge rusher Vic Beasley

77. Eagles cornerback Ronald Darby

78. Saints safety Vonn Bell

79. Chiefs cornerback Bashaud Breeland

80. Saints offensive guard Andrus Peat

81. Cowboys defensive tackle Maliek Collins

82. Panthers defensive tackle Gerald McCoy

83. Buccaneers defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh

84. Chargers safety Adrian Phillips

85. Seahawks offensive lineman Germain Ifedi

86. Eagles linebacker Nigel Bradham

87. Raiders safety Karl Joseph

88. Saints defensive tackle David Onyemata

89. Bengals cornerback Darqueze Dennard

90. Eagles offensive lineman Halapoulivaati Vaitai

91. Falcons outside linebacker De’Vondre Campbell

92. Giants defensive end Markus Golden

93. Bengals defensive tackle Andrew Billings

94. Texans running back Carlos Hyde

95. Chargers running back Austin Ekeler (restricted)

96. Packers cornerback Tramon Williams

97. Eagles receiver Nelson Agholor

98. Lions defensive tackle A'Shawn Robinson

99. Bears inside linebacker Nick Kwiatkoski

100. Rams offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/24/pfts-free-agent-top-100-3/

Source: The MKC article so it is nothing new.

They really have Jameis ahead of Rivers and Bridgewater in their rankings?

I would. Over Rivers from the standpoint he's younger. If I'm hoping to win a super bowl in the next 2 years, I'll take Rivers. If I want to sign a QB longterm, it's Winston everytime. He's better than a lot of options.

I do not want Winston in Pittsburgh.

I would choose Mariota ahead of Bridgewater. No thanks on Teddy.

It's a new regime,we've seen it over and over and over,jettison existing players,bring in new guys more "familiar with the new schemes".
It reminds me of the movie Groundhog Day,only not quite as funny.
So it's bye-bye Joe,and O,and lord knows who else.

I can see it ... his contract didn’t match his production

Chris Smith, the Browns defensive lineman who was waived in December, months after his girlfriend was struck and killed by a car, is ready to return to football.


Smith is looking to resume his career and hoping to sign with a team, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

The 28-year-old Smith played nine games for the Browns last season after playing all 16 games each of the two previous seasons. He previously played three seasons for the Jaguars.

Smith’s late girlfriend was the mother of his baby daughter, and Smith has spoken of prioritizing caring for her. He’s a player fans of many teams will be rooting for.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...impression=true

I am probably not alone in rooting for Chris Smith.

Winston just had Lasik surgery. He's always squinting his eyes to see things at a distance. I'll be interested if this has an effect on his interceptions. If he gets that corrected he will be a very dangerous QB.

Hoping for the best for him as well

True. We need a right tackle as well. We probably won't get both this cycle.


We had Joe, a great players but did he add wins>



No is the answer. LT's are over rated in the new NFL unless your QB is left handed.


Get with the times Bro. It's not like it was when we were kids. The QB position has morphed. The LT is maybe the least important on the line.


You don't have statue QB's who can't move. The RT is where I would focus.

And somehow, you call us "ignorant."

Huh? Unless I am sadly out of touch with current thought, a left-handed QB requires blindside protection from the RT...

think about what u just said my friend ....

U said u want the QB to have the best tackle blocking the guy who the QB CAN SEE ... and the lesser tackle to block the guy the QB CAN’T SEE ...

U wanna reconsider that ... i know i would ... ...

He's been weird lately.

Not really. QB's run towards their throwing hand. I don't envision a qb standing in the pocket for more than 2.5 seconds. If it isn't open, roll right...assuming a right handed player.

It's just a different vision of where the games going. And note I said least important. I didn't say it wasn't important. All five positions are important.

From the Pro Football Network (PFN): "Once this draft is complete, we will move on to bigger and better things with the 2021 NFL Draft. With that, I fast forward to the next crop of 2021 NFL Draft hopefuls with the top offensive tackle prospects. While this group features a few blue-chip players at the top, there is much uncertainty surrounding the rest for various reasons."

I hope this front office does get both tackles this year...

Just asking, I haven't checked. My recollection is that Mayfield tends to escape the pocket to his left. If I'm wrong then somebody please clarify... with facts would be preferable, please.

Did you watch any games last year?

To his right

J/c:

Personally I remember Baker's scrambling being more directly backwards into the guys the OTs were trying to push past him. Some to each side as well, but it was pretty much every which way. Hopefully we'll have more consistent pockets for him to step up into this year and/or more designed rollouts.

Our O last season looked like they never practiced anything. From Baker himself, blocking, route running, WR's etc. Not to mention our game plans never looked too good. Hopefully, with a new coaching staff things will change.

The mind boggling thing was that we never saw THAT much improvement. Sure, we’d have a good week or half here and there, but from week 1 thru week 17 we basically made the same mistakes lol

guard, I don't have a link, but Baker drew criticism for leaving the pocket too soon and not keeping his eyes downfield. He almost always bailed to the right.

I will say that he did a better job of not always bailing right as the season wore on. So, we saw some progress in that regard.

Yet the LT position is by far the highest paid position on the OL. There seem to be 32 NFL GM's who disagree with you. The hit you don't see coming is the one that can devastate you. There are reasons that LT's make the big bucks.

OK the consensus seems to be that he tended to bail right. No argument,but I'll look into it a little more wb
When I vet time. Thanks.

The numbers are coming closer together. The left side is much less "blind" when in the shotgun. The changed footwork Van Pelt has talked about might also make Baker's eyes naturally drift left at the snap it would seem to me. A team's best rusher used to generally line up on the "blindside." Now they move around a lot to exploit match ups.

Hits can devastate a QB whether he sees them or not.

You can't allow your OTs to consistently get whooped on either side. Both are important.

You definitely don't want your entire OL getting whooped which we seemed to see all too frequently.

Don't get me wrong, Bitonio and Tretter are good players, but they had some plays where they got blown up last year.

The numbers are still miles apart and will remain so. One fact can not be denied by anyone wishing to put forth a legitimate debate on the topic. The OT position requires a special skill set much of which is not a requirement of interior OL players. It takes a much better athlete to play the OT position. It makes them far more rare and hard to find.

It's why they are drafted higher and make so much more money. That won't be changing any time soon.

Many draft experts are projecting that four and some as many as five OT's will be drafted in the top 15 this year. If you ever see a draft where that many interior OL players are projected to be drafted that high in a single draft, at that time we may actually have something to discuss.

A lot of teams with young QB's at the top of the draft... they need to protect their asset.

I agree with you. But all this was based on a comment that someone felt the interior of the OL was more important than the LT position.

The draft position of the LT along with the pay difference is most certainly strong evidence that certainly isn't so.

The top two highest paid tackles are right tackles. Two of the top five highest paid offensive linemen are guards.

I only see one G in the top 5

1. Raiders offensive lineman Trent Brown: $16.5 million
2. Titans offensive lineman Taylor Lewan: $16 million
3. Giants offensive lineman Nate Solder: $15.5 million
4. Falcons offensive lineman Jake Matthews: $14.5 million
5. Cowboys offensive lineman Zack Martin: $14 million
6. 49ers offensive lineman Joe Staley: $14 million
7. Buccaneers offensive lineman Donovan Smith: $13.75 million
8. Jaguars offensive lineman Andrew Norwell: $13.3 million
9. Chargers offensive lineman Russell Okung: $13.25 million
10. Redskins offensive lineman Trent Williams: $13.2 million

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf...ary/1948980001/

And only two in the top 10.

I was going off of guaranteed money. I also miscounted. Norwell and Martin are in the top six.

The point still stands. All good linemen are paid highly now, not just left tackles.

Cutting Vernon would not be wise. Hopefully this is just MKC doing MKC things.

I don't think people are saying he can't play (I'm not) it's about his durability ... JMHO