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If the far left ends up getting its way, we will reap the bad seeds that have been sown for decades. That is why God is relevant. Because we have blood on our hands and lies on our tongue as a nation.

I pray for Grace that we don’t get what we actually deserve YET

I will give Pitdawg the last word, and if no one else replies combatively, I will stop posting. And Pit, I this is not personal, but you accused me of evil speech when I merely said what Jesus said. See John3:18

Now if you all want to stop, I will stop. But Pit can have the last word between him and me

Cheers

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Why not actually address my point rather than avoid it?

If the bible is so simple, then why are there so many religions that differ in their teachings, while all claiming to be the true Christian religion?

Well since you chose to ask a question, I will answer

We are not talking about secondary or tertiary issues, but the very essence of the Gospel. You said it was hate speech when I essentially said the same thing as John 3:18. John 3:18 is not secondary or tertiary, it is primary and essential teaching

As to the rest, the Bible says there will be false teachers and Tares in the church. How to discern them. A false teacher is not one who denies a secondary or tertiary doctrine. A false teacher is one who denies a primary and essential doctrine.

The Gospel of Jesus the only message that saves is a primary doctrine, being taught by Jesus and all the apostles, and also having the testimony of the Law, the writings, and the Prophets

Yet looking at all of the christian denominations, so may see the message in different ways.

Your interpretation of John 3:18 is certainly literal. But let me ask, what happens to the people that never even heard of Jesus? Native Americans, African tribes, the aboriginal tribes of Australia and so forth. There were multiple generations in these places that never heard the word of Jesus.

John 3:18 leaves a lot unanswered.

We’ve already been through this. Romans 1:16 forward. Also Romans 2:14-15.

They too were given Light. They had the Natural revelation of the Kosmos and the moral law written in their heart. They will be judged according to light received. And every person without exception has violated that Light given, and is therefore guilty before God.

That’s why we’re supposed to go to all the world with the Gospel. The Gospel saves, ignorance of truth does not save.

The people of Sodom never heard of Jesus. That fact didnt remove their guilt or judgement

And Grace cannot be demanded. If Grace is demanded, it is no longer Grace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tYm41hb48o

Christopher Hitchens is the best I've seen / heard when debating atheism. His opening argument starts at 33 minutes. Regardless of your beliefs I have to say this is interesting and engaging and though provoking.

So everyone else with "the moral law written in their heart" are just doomed to hell? Got it.

I’ve already heard Hitchens, but I’ll listen and Probably hear numerous fallacies. Atheism is almost always argued fallaciously

Nope. Everyone who has BROKEN the moral Law written on their heart is condemned. Sorry you’re so anti Bible as a Christian

Romans 3:23. Romans 6:23. Romans 5:8. Romans 10:9-10. Romans 10:13.


God’s Way

Our beliefs are based in faith. That's hardly steady ground to be standing on when trying to accuse others of believing in fallacies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYj6WbLFbg

There's a lot of Hitchens on Youtube. He was a great debater. I watched most of this link years ago - debating whether Catholicism is a force for good . Hitchens starts around 8 minutes.

When I speak of fallacies, I primarily mean non sequiturs, strawmen, red herrings, ad hominem, etc

I bet I can find strawmen in Hitchins debate

But I listened to like 5 minutes of the video and noticed he said a good theory has to be falsifiable. Ontological Naturalisn, the positive affirmation of atheism, is unfalsifiable.

Secondly, atheism cannot be falsified for one simple reason. Scientists only allow naturalistic explanations. They heavily stack the deck in naturalism a favor

I bet anyone can claim something is a straw man point if they choose to do so.

Fallacy by Hitchens. Belief in God is not a good proposition because it is not falsifiable

Falsifiability is a scientific term, and science by the definition given to it by naturalists only deals with naturalistic explanations.

Dr. Scott Todd. Even if all the data pointed to an intelligent designer, such an hypothesis would be excluded, because it is not naturalistic

So Hitchens is guilty of a category error in the first five minutes of his opening statement

Clear, indisputable category error.

That was easy.

You just can't see that yours isn't the only answer. Only everyone else sees that.

My answer isn’t squat. If you are a Christian like you say you are, the only answer is Jesus’ answer

What is Jesus’ position on marriage, for example? See Matthew 19:4-5

So what does that have to do with me? I'm married to a woman.

Or is it your suggestion I should ostracize and shout out against others that do not share my views? That our laws of the land should be based on biblical teachings when the nations principals stand for equality? That someone who believes differently than ourselves do not deserve the same rights we are granted?

Exactly what is your point?

Btw, anything that existed before nature would be supernatural. Otherwise the kosmos created itself

And eternal kosmos is unfalsifiable. Well actually, it has been falsified, but people made up unfalsifiable hypotheses like multiverse and such

I merely asked Jesus’ position on it.

I don’t ostracize. But I am allowed to have Christian convictions. That’s not ostracizing or discriminating.

are you afraid of being ostracized. Because Christians who stand on Gods Word are called names? If the ultra left get their way, we who stand on Gods Word will be prosecuted, just for saying what the Word says

Where in the world did you hear this?

The Book of Unicorn.

This is my Jesus!

Here dagesh. A place where you can talk until you’re blue in the face.
https://christianchat.com/#christian-chat-forums.1

Or maybe start a religion thread and browbeat everyone there. Your dogma grows weary on a political forum.

Bronie Bro's!

Are you kidding? Atheists are already calling teaching your Bible to children child abuse.

The top picture is not a unicorn. Google rhinosaurus unicornus. That’s a unicorn

I didn’t start this, so stop whining to me and talk to the ones who started it

Talk to meme boy and his sidekicks. They started it. I was talking about abortion, and they started abusing the Bible, because I mentioned Pit’s use of the Bible to support positions the Bible don’t support

Like saying the Bible says don’t judge, so don’t say anything about what the Bible condemns

Not a valid argument unless he thinks his God contradicts himself

To be clear, the issue was unbelief that he said not to say that the Bible condemns

And I already said I’d stop if others stopped. I even gave Pit the last word, and he decided to cross examine me again.

Not my bad...

I already tried to stop, but Pit decided to cross examine me again with stuff I already answered. Not my bad...

In fact I did stop for awhile, and someone started mocking Jesus. Not my bad either...

I wouldn't go that far most days, but I think forcing kids to study the bible and go to church is indoctrination. IMHO they should be allowed to make their own decisions when they are old enough. My son and daughter-in-law are very involved at church, and their 10 yr old was just baptized a few months ago. My oldest daughter will go to church but is not regular about it. My younger two are atheist. My wife goes to church every sunday for service and runs step study for alcoholics after. Then she helps to run addiction recovery groups on tuesday evenings after work.

I’m good with that. Not all atheists are as tolerant as you though. And the age of when one is old enough to decide is debatable

Oh that the Religious Right were as tolerant as most atheists .... the world would be a better place.

Religious right don't accuse atheists of child abuse based on belief or unbelief as much as leftists accuse Christians of child abuse based on belief. At least not that I know of. I personally don't and no one I know, and I know hundreds of Christian, don't

Religious right doesn't make movies and youtube videos mocking atheists nearly as much as atheists mock and abuse Christians.

etc.

I could post thousands of videos and thousands of pages of literature that show that leftists are the most intolerant people, with atheists coming in at a close second.

Christians spend more time defending their positions than attacking people.

But their positions are seen as offensive attacks, because the Gospel is offensive to those who hate God. I know. I used to be a hater of God and a hater of Christianity

There are ignorant and intolerant and foolish people from every walk of life, every race, every Nation, every religion and not religion.. and from the Left and Right and From the Center. No one group or sect has it better or worse.... Saying otherwise is foolish. I was clearly joking when i made my last post, although for sure there are intolerant people on the extremes of religion, there are also intolerant athiests also.

The Christian who hates is being inconsistent with his or her worldview. We are actually commanded to love (which Biblically does not merely involve a feeling, but is an ACTION and defines our actions) and hate is the antithesis of that and includes failure to act when action is necessary).

The Bible says to love my neighbor, and that is everyone. But often people have a distorted view of what love is. In the Bible, there are three types of love. 1. People, friends you are fond of and love, or people that are common with you. 2. Familial love. 3. Agape love

The agape is used biblical to describe selfless sacrificial love. Jesus was the greatest model of agape. He laid down His life for us. But He also told us the truth. And the truth turned people against Him

We are teaching, if we are consistent, what He taught. And that message is as offensive to this day and age, maybe moreso, than it was to His day and age. And as culture drifts to the left, C
People will be more and more hostile towards Christians, as we see today. That is why , just as it is the Left’s chief goal to get Trump out, it is our goal to as long as possible keep the left out. Because the Left is ok with some of what we believe, but is extremely hostile to other things. And the main battle is in the Judicial branch, where the main battles are won and lost

Not one part of your response - although rational and well written - addresses the fact that idiots, ignorants and intolerants come from all faiths, backgrounds, countries and political parties. One side or group isn't better or worse in this department.

Reverting to what the good book preaches and explaining that people who are hateful or intolerant aren't following what the bible preaches does not undo the fact of my statement. Painting "the Left" as anti-Christian while nailing your hopes of protecting Christian faith in the USA to Donald Trump's coat tails seems more than odd. Trump is morally bankrupt - your argument seems to be the ends justify the means, and if it means dancing with someone who could be the son of the devil to get what you think you want, you'll do it.