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So three years at failing to build a team, two years of tear down and two more years of trying to rebuild after that tear down was a better idea than seven years of building a team. Alrighty then...

Sometimes you have to tear down something so you can rebuild in its place.

If we traded Beckham, we might be able to get Becton and Simmons in the draft

The big question is who would be trading for Beckham?

Jimmy is so easily influenced...unsure of himself looking for the magic bullet that is his short cut to success...

Today, Jimmy believes that analytics is his short cut to success in the NFL. It is ironic, because Haslam was a minority owner of the Steelers for several years before buying the Browns and Jimmy stated that he wanted to build the Browns like the Rooneys built the Steelers.

But Haslam's first mistake was listening to Joe Banner, who pushed his idea of non traditional methods of management.

Look at the Rooneys records from 1933 to 1971

Look at the Rooneys records from 1933 to 1971

It is ironic, because Haslam was a minority owner of the Steelers for several years before buying the Browns and Jimmy stated that he wanted to build the Browns like the Rooneys built the Steelers.

The Steelers had a losing record for many, many, many years, and you said "He wanted to build the Browns like the Rooneys built the Steelers" So get use to the Browns losing for another 17 years.

Your words not mine bro.

Today, Jimmy believes that analytics is his short cut to success in the NFL. It is ironic, because Haslam was a minority owner of the Steelers for several years before buying the Browns and Jimmy stated that he wanted to build the Browns like the Rooneys built the Steelers.

That's where people seem to have a problem. Creating a winning product takes a lot more than marketing other people's products. As Haslam said in his opening press conference, "It's a marketing world".

Only in the NFL, you have to build a quality product to market.

Apples and oranges.

I agree with you that doesn't make him stupid. It just makes him good at marketing and terrible at building a football team.

Look at the Rooneys records from 1933 to 1971

So your saying were gonna suck for 35 or so more years ... YIKES ...

GM...if you were a horse, they would have put you down for being so darn lame with your responses.

Out of curiosity what do you have to support this conclusion?

All 3 of them were here together. By any account Dorsey, outside of inheriting Hue had run of the table and got what he wanted up until it came to pay the tab at the end of Freddie's failed season.

I would definitely be interested in any examples of DePo or even Haslam for that matter getting in his way. Given the level of autonomy Dorsey already had and the results, I'm just having a hard time understanding how continuing to keep him in charge, in a structure where he would be left unchecked would be a better situation.

You have said that many times, and I disagree. Building a company, or a medical practice is building just the same as building a rocking chair company. Just as Pilot buys gasoline from refiners near the Gulf, rocking chair person buys wood. They don't grow their own tree's. They probably buy it in milled blocks or even smaller slabs.

As far as marketing, for sure that is the game. You can build the best rocking chair known to man, you can have the finest travel centers on the road, you can be the best MD in the world, but if people don't know, you aren't going to treat patients, sell gasoline, or sell rocking chairs.

Marketing is part of building the business. Actually, the most important. If you can't get people to buy, you're sunk no matter how good the product.

You can't get people to buy a rocking chair that's falling apart no matter how well you market it.

I think you overestimate people. Some people will buy all sorts of bogus junk.

They will also buy that the worst owner if football is good at his job.

LOL. A sucker is born every day. I wanna know how 1 person shows up to watch this clownshow team play

I am basing it off of the track record of those guys versus the track record of the guys hired and Haslam's general track record, decision making, and lack of success to date.



Dorsey made a mistake with Freddie. It happens. I believe he should have gotten the opportunity to fix that mistake without any involvement at all from Depo. Haslam could have handled this a number of different ways. One of those was to let Depo's contract expire, thank him for his service, and commit to Dorsey and his team. I am very confident in saying that had Haslam gone that route, Dorsey would have had no issue moving on from Freddie. But because Haslam created a Depo vs. Dorsey battle in the building, there was no way Dorsey was going to give up on Freddie and let Depo win. That had as much to do with Dorsey wanting to stick with Freddie as anything. Again, this goes back to Haslam. He is the root cause of it all.



This is over dramatics. Culture that leaves him unchecked? How about let Dorsey do the job he was hired to do. You remove Depo and eliminate the factions in the building and there is nothing to worry about. Let Dorsey and team go about their business. The "leaving him unchecked" comment no doubt is rooted in this belief that Dorsey misbehaved and treated people poorly. Perhaps there were instances where he did. Should he have been more mature? I think all humans and professionals should be mature and treat it each other with respect. But if you believe in root cause analysis, this goes back to Haslam. He needs to set the stage and culture to set the people he hired up for success. He employed two factions with two different philosophies. It was bound to crash and burn. And it did. And Haslam had to choose. And he did. And he chose the guy who he thinks is smart and will involve him in decisions. Never mind, none of that means they will be able to pull off building a winner. At least Dorsey and his team have a track record of doing that.

People are getting way too caught up in these "Dorsey misbehaved" and "Dorsey was unchecked, running amok" narratives. He was not set up for success long-term.

I want to know how sad and empty someone's life must be to come onto a chat forum for a team and ownership that they obviously have so much disdain for.

QFT. I wonder about that a lot around here.

LOL. A sucker is born every day. I wanna know how 1 person shows up to watch this clownshow team play