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he has said a few times that he is happy in CLE and doesn't want to leave [/quote]
[color:#FFFFCC]Like I tried to point out...
"Don't buy into the public display of love between the Browns and OBJ..that could be planned to promote and escalate OBJs value."
The Browns wouldn't want to appear as if they were looking to unload OBJ from day one...just that they were offered a deal they felt they could not pass up.
If they can get a first rounder and maybe something more to make a deal look good, OBJ could be a one and done in Cleveland.
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Yeah, Higgins couldn't hold OBJ's jockstrap and OBJ handles himself much better than Baker, yet to read this board people live in an alternative universe. I guess it depends on how you define "handles himself". Sure OBJ wasn't clashing with other NFL personalities, but it was OBJ clashing with the League over stupid crap like shoes and visors. Baker didn't put in the off season work that OBJ did, but (at least pre-snap) Baker appeared to have a better idea of what he was doing than OBJ did come game time. This isn't to say one was any better than the other or a "what about"ism. Both of them clearly could have done things that would have helped the team more than they did.
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While I certainly can't and won't dismiss what you're saying, I also think what's good for the goose is good for the gander. It seems that some are of the opinion, as we can see right here in this very thread above, that the assertion is that Baker was hesitant due to Freddie running plays that had not been practiced. If that theory is true, then wouldn't it also hold true that the other players were also confused by the play calling? I don't really buy into that theory and think both of them should have been better prepared as you seem to suggest. I'm just sayin'. 
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Just a question,, does it bother anyone that he says he'll be at Mandatory camp, but doesn't say anything about being a Voluntary camp?
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No. If the NFL demands he be there, it should be mandatory. The thing is, most of the people this does upset wouldn't risk injury that would derail their season for free.
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Just a question,, does it bother anyone that he says he'll be at Mandatory camp, but doesn't say anything about being a Voluntary camp? Like legendary Cleveland Browns coach, Pat Shurmur, once said, "control the controllables."
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Did OBJ say he was skipping the 2020 Voluntary Camp? I didn't see that.
I ask because I am wondering if Daman is confusing last year w/this year, since the original article in this thread was during the 2109 off-season.
I apologize if I missed the news that he has already said he won't be at the 2020 Voluntary Camp.
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With both OBJ and Landry having surgery, I don't want either out there until their bodes are 110% (not possible, but you know what I mean). I get there's going to be a new playbook, but those 2 need to be fully recovered and then a little longer just to be sure. They can work on some of the offense install from the sideline.
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While I certainly can't and won't dismiss what you're saying, I also think what's good for the goose is good for the gander. It seems that some are of the opinion, as we can see right here in this very thread above, that the assertion is that Baker was hesitant due to Freddie running plays that had not been practiced. If that theory is true, then wouldn't it also hold true that the other players were also confused by the play calling? I don't really buy into that theory and think both of them should have been better prepared as you seem to suggest. I'm just sayin'. Point taken. I could be parsing things too much, but I get players being confused or being hesitant (let's just say not very confident) in a series of disjointed play calling. It's hard to find a rhythm, it's hard to find things in the DEF to exploit, it's hard to find out what will work for you. But even if Freddie calls 5 completely different plays, a player should still at the very least know the formation and where he's supposed to line up. It just seemed to me that OBJ more often than any other player had to be directed where to line up. I don't know which is more frustrating. Sucking because you lack the talent, or having the talent and sucking?
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Patriots will call Browns about trading Odell Beckham Jr., says NBC analyst Today 9:37 AM By Troy L. Smith, Cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – Speculation about Tom Brady and Odell Beckham Jr. possibly playing for the same team, whether the Patriots, Browns or otherwise, probably won’t go away until the next NFL Season starts. But it’s certainly proving to be a dream scenario for some. On Tuesday’s edition of NBC Sports’ “ProFootballTalk Live,” NFL analysts Mike Florio and Chris Simms spoke about what it might take for Brady to return to New England. Both agreed the Patriots would have to make a major move for a pass catcher. Simms has someone specific in mind. “Odell Beckham Jr. is my first pick,” he said. “If you want to keep Tom Brady, damn. I don’t think this is actually realistic because I think Cleveland is going to hang on to Odell Beckham Jr. But I think New England probably calls Cleveland to see what it might take to get him. “I don’t think New England is the type of team that’s going to offer up anything crazy,” Simms continued. “[But] that would be a move where Brady would go, ‘See ya San Francisco. See ya Tennessee Titans. I’m staying in New England and going to win my seventh.’” Whether the Patriots would actually try to acquire OBJ wasn’t the issue for Florio. He simply doesn’t think it would be a good fit. “I don’t think it would work for Odell Beckham Jr. in New England,” Florio said. “You have to leave your entire individuality at the door. “The first thing he’ll hear from Bill Belichick -- if Bill Belichick even wants Odell Beckham Jr. – is, ‘I don’t want any more of this crap…all of this stuff over time that Beckham has used to express himself is gone, it’s over. It’s done. You are now a cog in a machine that should not in any way stand out.’ I don’t know if [Beckham] can conform to that.” L
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Well, someone said that someone else said that someone may be thinking about it. That's what we call Dawgtalkers proof. Not enough forensics to prove a crime, but more than enough to impress the jury.
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Re: the article... it's hard to pick something out of it that was actually accurate or true. Way way more wrong in there than right.
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It all depends on Brady...doesn't it...
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Patriots will call Browns about trading Odell Beckham Jr., says NBC analyst Today 9:37 AM By Troy L. Smith, Cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio – Speculation about Tom Brady and Odell Beckham Jr. possibly playing for the same team, whether the Patriots, Browns or otherwise, probably won’t go away until the next NFL Season starts. But it’s certainly proving to be a dream scenario for some. On Tuesday’s edition of NBC Sports’ “ProFootballTalk Live,” NFL analysts Mike Florio and Chris Simms spoke about what it might take for Brady to return to New England. Both agreed the Patriots would have to make a major move for a pass catcher. Simms has someone specific in mind. “Odell Beckham Jr. is my first pick,” he said. “If you want to keep Tom Brady, damn. I don’t think this is actually realistic because I think Cleveland is going to hang on to Odell Beckham Jr. But I think New England probably calls Cleveland to see what it might take to get him. “I don’t think New England is the type of team that’s going to offer up anything crazy,” Simms continued. “[But] that would be a move where Brady would go, ‘See ya San Francisco. See ya Tennessee Titans. I’m staying in New England and going to win my seventh.’” Whether the Patriots would actually try to acquire OBJ wasn’t the issue for Florio. He simply doesn’t think it would be a good fit. “I don’t think it would work for Odell Beckham Jr. in New England,” Florio said. “You have to leave your entire individuality at the door. “The first thing he’ll hear from Bill Belichick -- if Bill Belichick even wants Odell Beckham Jr. – is, ‘I don’t want any more of this crap…all of this stuff over time that Beckham has used to express himself is gone, it’s over. It’s done. You are now a cog in a machine that should not in any way stand out.’ I don’t know if [Beckham] can conform to that.” L Kinda misleading, for one - they didn't say it was even going to happen, they were discussing what it would take to happen. Not a single thing in this article stated it was actually talked about between anyone on either team. SMH. Troy L Smith needs to quit his job.
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Lol at Josina on RBS. Douse the OBJ trade rumors
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