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Vers I really respect your takes on OL. Who do you see as the best for what we need?
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Thanks Kash, but I have no idea. I haven't studied any of these dudes. I would just be making things up if I said I knew.
I'm at the point of asking questions about dudes, like I did Becton.
I will let you know if I formulate a opinion if I study the dudes.
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I have watched Wirfs play and I was not overly impressed. He is a very solid RT and would be a great pick in the 2nd round. I personally think #10 overall is too high. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the #1 OT on our board given his SPARQ.
I have seen Andrew Thomas and he is the top OT on my board. He is just dominant, plain and simple.
I have not seen Becton play but read that he was dominant against the smaller schools but that he was only so-so against the better teams like ND.
I have not seen Wills play but I read that there are a number of people who think that he will need to move inside to guard.
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I can't read that. Is it available in a regular print format?
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I'm kinda feeling, based only on online discussions like this, that the unflashy, does everything well, handled SEC at LT, Andrew Thomas might just be the smart pick.
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I'm kinda feeling, based only on online discussions like this, that the unflashy, does everything well, handled SEC at LT, Andrew Thomas might just be the smart pick. Agreed. And he might be there after a trade down.
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That chart makes me think we’ll get a good OT regardless
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I can't read that. Is it available in a regular print format? I'll eliminate the NFL comparison portion of the graph and repost when I have some time.
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We’ve had very few of those ... Chubb, Thomas ...?
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He was the best OT during the season and at the end of the season... I don't see why Silly Season should change that and have other OT's ranked higher than him just because of hype videos and keyboard warrior draft reviews.
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I can't read that. Is it available in a regular print format? I'll eliminate the NFL comparison portion of the graph and repost when I have some time. Don't worry about it. I don't want you to do extra work. I do appreciate the offer, though.
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After the Joe Thomas comments on Wirfs, would it be a worthy move to get him at 10 and plug him in at RG to replace Zeitler? I am still impressed with that video someone posted about Baker being better with a stout G/C/G combo in front of him.
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When Corbett was drafted, he came out and said, "I can say confidently, Austin Corbett is not a tackle in the NFL, he's a guard." Whats the excuse for him not being a guard 
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He was the best OT during the season and at the end of the season... I don't see why Silly Season should change that and have other OT's ranked higher than him just because of hype videos and keyboard warrior draft reviews.
Is this your first draft? Just playing. It boggles my mind every year. There seems to be a guy in every position that jumps simply because hes a track star.
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I always wonder why the time in the 40 for an OL is so important to people. If he’s running 40 yards, it’s either a pick six or a touchdown.
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Thanks Kash, but I have no idea. I haven't studied any of these dudes. I would just be making things up if I said I knew.
I'm at the point of asking questions about dudes, like I did Becton.
I will let you know if I formulate a opinion if I study the dudes.
Thanks again and hope the kids are doing well. Sounds good. Hope you get a chance to formulate an opinion. Glad to see you posting again. Kids are GREAT! Thanks for asking!
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I can't read that. Is it available in a regular print format? Right click the image, and select open image in new tab. It'll enlarge it.
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Usually indicative of having good feet which is pretty important from an OL perspective, I would think.
the first 10 probably more indicative.
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Usually indicative of having good feet which is pretty important from an OL perspective, I would think.
the first 10 probably more indicative. But if this is the case, there are better drills for evaluating an OL feet, right? I would think the first 10 of the 40 would be good for seeing leg power.
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I tend to agree with you. Straight line speed is not indicative of footwork. You hear people speak about being quick rather than fast. Jerry Rice had a slow 40 time for such a productive WR but he was so quick and precise out of his breaks that he was hard to cover.
The only real place I can think of that speed helps an OL player is run blocking at the second level. They do move downfield to run block.
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I think all of you guys are correct.
The 10 yard split time is more important in evaluating an OL. No doubt about it.
However, that time does not evaluate a player's footwork. There are a lot of footwork/agility drills that do a good job of evaluating a player's footwork and agility.
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I think all of you guys are correct.
The 10 yard split time is more important in evaluating an OL. No doubt about it.
However, that time does not evaluate a player's footwork. There are a lot of footwork/agility drills that do a good job of evaluating a player's footwork and agility. I guess “Becton had an amazing three-cone drill time!” just doesn’t have the same attention-grabbing headline potential.
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I think the 40 is actually plenty relevant, even for a Tackle.
A football field is 53 yards wide. On a sweep, the OL could be running hard and hammering blocks, easily, for 25-30 yards - and then after just 40 seconds, they may need to do it again. So, in that regard, testing an all-out effort for 40 yards is actually a pretty dang solid metric to look at.
What would be better, I think, would be a stack of 40s, 40 seconds apart and look at the average, as well as the drop off.
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Drinking 40's at 40 seconds apart is a tall feat to ask of anyone.
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Drinking 40's at 40 seconds apart is a tall feat to ask of anyone. Amateurs.
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I think the 40 is actually plenty relevant, even for a Tackle.
A football field is 53 yards wide. On a sweep, the OL could be running hard and hammering blocks, easily, for 25-30 yards - and then after just 40 seconds, they may need to do it again. So, in that regard, testing an all-out effort for 40 yards is actually a pretty dang solid metric to look at.
What would be better, I think, would be a stack of 40s, 40 seconds apart and look at the average, as well as the drop off. Valid point. A view I had not thought about.
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do anybody know what Joe Thomas 40 time was?
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JOE THOMAS
Position: Offensive Tackle
College: Wisconsin
Draft Class: 2007
Draft Age: 44.1
Player Dimensions
Height: 78.63 inches
Weight: 311 pounds
BMI: 36.22
Arm Length: 33.75 inches
Hand Size: 10.13 inches
Front Shoulder: 14.0 inches
Back Shoulder: 10.5 inches
40 Yard Dash: 4.94 seconds
40 Yard (MPH): 16.56 (MPH)
20 Yard Split: 2.90 seconds
10 Yard Split: 1.78 seconds
Bench Press: 28 reps (225 lb)
Wonderlic: (N/A) (0-50)
QB Ball Velocity: (N/A) (MPH)
Vertical Leap: 33.0 inches
Broad Jump: 110 inches
20 Yd Shuttle: 4.88 seconds
Three Cone: 7.95 seconds
Shuttle Split: (N/A) seconds
60 Yd Shuttle: (N/A) seconds
Four Square: (N/A) seconds
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Just a copy-paste from a combine site... don't know what the heck that is about lol.
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I think there are 4 really good tackles in this draft worthy of the #10 spot in the draft. Before the combine I think their ranking was 1) Andrew Thomas, 2) Jedrick Wills, 3) Trsiton Wirfs, 4) Mecki Becton. After the combine it seems the ranking has now changed to 1) Mecki Becton, 2) Triston Wirfs, 3) Jedrick Wills, 4) Andrew Thomas.
I thing Thomas seems to be the purest Left Tackle of the group. He has great film, and was a steady producer at that position. Just did not WOW anyone at the combine. Mecki Becton played left tackle in college and was starting to climb in the rankings before the combine and then showed he is a tremndous athlete at 365 pounds. Wills and Wirfs probably are the two best tackles in the draft but both played right tackle in college. Keeping in mind that Wills played RT which was Tua Tagovailoa's blind side ... shows good movement skills
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Some of our linemen on offense have been practically as nimble as vending machines (pick your favorite, like pop machines). Said machines might grade higher than we dressed.
Hoping we get some hostile beef at tackle. Or Joe T. gets his second win in time for expanded seasons. LOL
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I like that..."hostile beef"...
As the Browns search for an identity, imo, it would be great if our OLine had a reputation of being mean, nasty and hostile.
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That sounds great in theory. I mean if you're looking for OL players who just try and pancake people. But we will be running a zone blocking scheme. Footwork, the ability to pull and techniques mean far more than just "nasty and mean" in that system.
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I hear you red. I think Becton is very raw technique wise. He is mostly RT material at this point but make no mistake about it his skill set is very unique. Now this is where scouting comes in.
Probably the most important factor is "Is this kid in love with the game"
"Is this kid ready n has the desire to become great."
If those (") are true then u have somebody worth the #10 pick. If he leans to the lazy side of things then we are talking OG n a high risk.
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I sure hope the draft goes as schedule and this madness stops!!!
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