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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.

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That's kinda surprising, not surprising.


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Wow.

Dudes are flat-out killing it today!


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and there's our decent backup QB .. sign a decent middle LB and it's on to the draft ... thumbsup


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Cool, that’s probably the best backup you can get.


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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.

You HAVE to hedge your bets on Mayfield this year.


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Well, i think we got our top 3 targets


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.

You HAVE to hedge your bets on Mayfield this year.



I will reserve judgment till I see what Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota get to be backups.

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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.

You HAVE to hedge your bets on Mayfield this year.



I don't think it's just that. If Mayfield gets hurt we don't have to pack in the season.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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He's a starting Quality backup QB .. If Baker thinks he knows it all and won't accept coaching, Keenum can be a starter.


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he will push Baker... and help out Baker. Thats what Baker was missing last year. No Tyrod Taylor and no true QB Coach. Now he has both. no excuses. If Baker gets hurt, or really struggles, Stefanski knows he has Keenum to fill the void.

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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.

You HAVE to hedge your bets on Mayfield this year.



I don't think it's just that. If Mayfield gets hurt we don't have to pack in the season.

Yes, that too. I kinda skipped right over the obvious lol.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.

You HAVE to hedge your bets on Mayfield this year.



I will reserve judgment till I see what Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota get to be backups.


Witch one of them has experience in Kev’’s system ...

Winston ... rofl .... at least Marcus isn’t a pick machine ... thumbsup




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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.

You HAVE to hedge your bets on Mayfield this year.



I will reserve judgment till I see what Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota get to be backups.


Witch one of them has experience in Kev’’s system ...

Winston ... rofl .... at least Marcus isn’t a pick machine ... thumbsup


As backups I'd take both over Keenum. I'll be interested to see their contracts.

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Agree, if Baker shows up fat and more interested in his commercials than winning games, we have new QB who has thrived in a system he knows......competition, love it....GO Browns!!!


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I like this... if Bake goes down.. we still have a chance. i like it.


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Only way there comparable is if they go to a team with a bonafide starter .... Case was brought in 100% as a back up ... those two may very well end up on teams like the raiders or bears or one of the other many teams looking to “push” there starting QB ...

It depends on where they end up to me ... they may not be the true back up Case is ...




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I do like the idea of having an adult in the QB room (along with SVP). I think Baker, Lindley, Stanton, and Gilbert basically had a frat house last year.

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Yeah, it seemed like there wasn’t much coaching and accountability


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Only way there comparable is if they go to a team with a bonafide starter .... Case was brought in 100% as a back up ... those two may very well end up on teams like the raiders or bears or one of the other many teams looking to “push” there starting QB ...


I would argue that if you pay a backup $10 million guaranteed then he is being brought in to push the starter.

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Only way there comparable is if they go to a team with a bonafide starter .... Case was brought in 100% as a back up ... those two may very well end up on teams like the raiders or bears or one of the other many teams looking to “push” there starting QB ...


I would argue that if you pay a backup $10 million guaranteed then he is being brought in to push the starter.


Worst case scenario...they have not liked what they've seen or heard from Baker this offseason.


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Only way there comparable is if they go to a team with a bonafide starter .... Case was brought in 100% as a back up ... those two may very well end up on teams like the raiders or bears or one of the other many teams looking to “push” there starting QB ...


I would argue that if you pay a backup $10 million guaranteed then he is being brought in to push the starter.


Worst case scenario...they have not liked what they've seen or heard from Baker this offseason.


3 years .. 18 million .. 10 mil guaranteed .. That averages out to 6 mil per year. That is a good ( reasonable ) salary for an NFL Quarterback with good starting experience, as well as experience in the system being used.


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Good signing. Knows Stefanski’s offense.

Can win you a game if needed.

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Only way there comparable is if they go to a team with a bonafide starter .... Case was brought in 100% as a back up ... those two may very well end up on teams like the raiders or bears or one of the other many teams looking to “push” there starting QB ...


I would argue that if you pay a backup $10 million guaranteed then he is being brought in to push the starter.


Worst case scenario...they have not liked what they've seen or heard from Baker this offseason.


Doubt it. Keenum is a plug n play backup.

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j/c:

I like this move. I don't know about the "value," but Keenum is a quality qb and had success as a starter w/the Vikings.

I was not happy w/Dorsey's backups last year. Case is huge upgrade!

It will be interesting to see how Baker handles this. He didn't seem to get along w/Taylor. It was like he expected to be handed the starters job. He did get along w/Drew, who he was ahead of.

The Baker/Keenum relationship is one to watch closely. I'm not making any predictions right now, but it's going to be interesting.

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Agree - huge upgrade over last year's back ups.

Don't think there can be any doubt - at $6 million per year - that is back up money. I don't think this puts any additional pressure on Baker .... if Baker doesn't play a lot better than last year he doesn't deserve to be a starting QB.


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I remember Chase Daniels making $7 mill a year at Philadelphia a couple of years ago. So this isn't so bad.

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Argue it all u want ...

Case STUNK the last two years when starting and has some glaring holes in his game ... GREAT BACK UP especially here but if we brought him in to push Bake these guys are either dumb as rocks or were $crewed cause Bake stinks if he isn’t better than the 3/4’s of a year wonder known as Case ...




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I like this move. I don't know about the "value," but Keenum is a quality qb and had success as a starter w/the Vikings.

I was not happy w/Dorsey's backups last year. Case is huge upgrade!

It will be interesting to see how Baker handles this. He didn't seem to get along w/Taylor. It was like he expected to be handed the starters job. He did get along w/Drew, who he was ahead of.

The Baker/Keenum relationship is one to watch closely. I'm not making any predictions right now, but it's going to be interesting.



It will be.

I think it is clear Baker is the #1 guy, but Case is a good QB. Bake can't add another 10 lbs, especially since Case and Stefanski have a relationship.

I think it is perfect. We got a guy who doesn't spell QB controversy, but should ignite a spark in our starter.

A perfect signing. If Baker slugs around, I have no problem with Keenum. He isn't here to simply be a mentor. He is here to win some games if he plays.


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Love Baker but I like this move, I don't think it will cause Baker to look over his shoulder but it will make for more competitiveness thumbsup


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.


There's a reason for that. As of now we don't have any idea which Baker we will get. Will we get the rookie, 2018 Baker? Or will we get the second year, 2019 Baker?

I know that will set some peoples hair on fire and excuses will get made for his play. But people have no excuse why he was less accurate.

I'm hoping we get rookie Baker and things go smoothly. But having a solid plan B is what a smart FO should do in our situation.


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I don't care about the money. He is a viable #2 QB

We still need to sign a Saftey and LBer.

Good start though.


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I am not a huge fan of paying a backup QB $10 million guaranteed.


There's a reason for that. As of now we don't have any idea which Baker we will get. Will we get the rookie, 2018 Baker? Or will we get the second year, 2019 Baker?

I know that will set some peoples hair on fire and excuses will get made for his play. But people have no excuse why he was less accurate.

I'm hoping we get rookie Baker and things go smoothly. But having a solid plan B is what a smart FO should do in our situation.


Also, Baker is still on his rookie deal. Makes it a little easier to dish out for Keenum.

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Keenum and Baker can talk football during the offseason. Baker and the coaches can't. I'm guessing getting a jumpstart on the offense is part of the reason we signed him, along with him being a capable player. Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how much of the offense is changing from the time Case and Stefanski were Minnesota. We do get the early camp with the change in staffs, so they should be able to get up to speed then.

That or we're trading Baker to the Patriots for Thuney and picks.


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Very solid signing.
Higher-end backup, & like others said, a guy who can win games in a pinch.

I believe Baker will be working his tail off this off-season. He damn well better be.

After the season, he talked about how disappointed he was in his play. Baker needs to follow that up with some hard work.


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Solid signing... case is a solid qb and great guy... knowing the offense already is huge help for baker


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Not as great as a leading QB but a journeyman that could help your Baker develop.


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