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I hope everything turns out okay for you tab.

j/c...

Matt Miller
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Tristan Wirfs to the Cardinals feels like a done deal now at No. 8 overall.

Glad to hear you're okay Bud. We go back and forth on the board sometimes but that has nothing to do with how much I wish you well. We go back to the stone age on here.

I know Hubbard used to be a fairly solid RT so it's my hope that by signing Conklin we may have settled the RT and RG positions. A man can dream, right?

I'm still not at the point where I can actually say which LT candidates I would consider worthy of the #10 selection but as of now I think there are two and possibly three.

I just noticed we all joined on similar dates, lol.

That's when PPE created this board.

I just noticed something, though.

I joined the original board on 9-11-2001. (9-11 day) I joined this board on 9-11-06.

Weird.

Crazy how long some of us have been here.

Dude, I'm dumbfounded by long we've been running all the time, lol

I look at it and am like "Wha? Really??"

Time flies!

j/c

Staying home with no sports, I've been watching the SEC reruns. Yesterday I watched the '19 Iron Bowl again (Alabama at Auburn), GREAT GAME! Was paying attention to Wills. I saw a play where D.Brown lined up against him. Wills swallowed him. I was most impressed when, after Wills was engaged with the DE, the OLB made a delayed sprint at the QB. Wills disengaged, covered some ground and chucked the OLB as he sprinted past, disrupting him enough for the QB to complete his pass. It was very quick for a man that size.

Most where with the Browns MB.
I actually had more post then ... then I do today.

I personally did not get the message that Purp started the board till I got an e-mail from a friend, wondering why I never joined.

Same here! Strange

I’m confused. Wirfs looks good. But I see two guys above the other two, and wirfs ain’t it.

Who do you think is off the board first?

Now this is JMO, and I’ve been wrong plenty, but I see Wills and Thomas as clearly the top two. Becton and Wirfs the next tier. they’ve got great potential, but Wills and Thomas have great potential too. They’re just much closer to reaching it. Their technique is great. Either can step in and start LT for us next year. That’s what I’ve seen. they’re much further along as players

Much like you, at RG I'm not sure how his skill set would fit in with the zone blocking scheme. He does seem a little slow footed for that.

But he has played RG in the NFL before and did a decent job of it. I guess I'm looking at it more as plan B. While fixing both OT spots and the RG spot is something I'm sure we both hoped to see, that's slightly aggressive in one off season.

I guess I would see moving Hubbard to RG, a position he has played fairly well before, would at least be a stop gap measure which may not be a long term fix at RG, but certainly a short term upgrade at the position.

Was just checking on PFF and according to them Hubbard has only taken 8 snaps in his career at OG almost all of his playing time with Pittsburgh was at RT with a little bit at LT and at OC. I don't think converting from RT to RG should be that hard though and he is used to having someone lined up on his right side quite a bit with a TE.

He also played as a blocking TE in a game against us.

yeah, he did line up at the TE spot quite a bit too. I just found it funny that he was usually listed as OG on most roster and depth chart sites but according to PFF he only played 8 snaps there his whole career.

I think it was probably the position they felt he was best suited for. A RG certainly doesn't need to have the skill set of an OT to be effective at his job. I have no idea how this will all play out. I'm hoping he can slide to RG and work out. It would be a best case scenario for all of us.

j/c,

I am somewhat surprised that Hubbard is still on the team. I don't see him moving to RG where his weekness against a bull rushing DT will fully exposes his deficiency vs power.

We have better options for RG imo, not that we could not bring in an upgrade there either.

They have kept him on the roster for one reason or another. They either feel he has trade value or they have something else in mind for him. They already inked his replacement so if they have no other plans for him, keeping him on the roster at this juncture doesn't make a lot of sense.

For now, likely as a cheap swing man. There is no doubt that we'd want to improve on him, but he's not a bad guy to have as a backup.

But we have Kendall Lamm already filling that role.

And we have Drew Forbes, not sure his role at this point.

There's not a lot of film of Hubbard at RG out there for the new staff to evaluate, so maybe they want to see him there in TC this summer before they decide to keep or cut him.

At the moment, Lamm is probably our starting LT. We'll see how things shake out after the draft and the rest of free agency.

It's easy to pencil one in in the draft, but 31 other teams could have other ideas. 9 are scheduled to be in front of us, but any of the other ones could also move up. Value and need have to intersect when we're on the clock.

He'll probably end up elsewhere, but not until we have at least a competent backup OT in place if he's gone. Hubbard and Lamm are the only 2 OTs we have on the roster until Conklin is official.

We are not talking about the here and now, but when it matters, with the start of the season.

Lamm will not be our starting LT.

Is this sarcasm?

But, it's March, not August.

No! What I am saying is that all the excuses as to why Hubbard is on the team is Baloney.

Yes, that means the roster is not a finished product.

Just my opinion, but I think Hubbard is a lot better player than Lam. The latter was horrible in Houston and was a big reason why Watson was sacked so often.

Exactly my point. Barring a trade, he & Lamm and all the others will go to camp. Not all of them will make it.

J/C. I think Hubbard has been awefull. I would be shocked if he remained on our roster at around 7 million to be a back up. King John really screwed the pooch on this contract, we owe him a lot of cash. Not sure when he can be cut to save the most cabbage, but I think it will be sooner than later. He was exposed all last year. I think the draft will provide us some upgrades in talent at a cheaper cost.

Lol, I know eh? I joined the original DTs the week we signed Jeff Garcia. 16 freakin’ years ago this month!

lol, that's around when i signed up i think. 2004. We signed Garcia and i remember the big decision with KW2, Sean Taylor (who wasn't available to us), and Big Ben.

I really liked all three of them; although clearly we should have drafted Big Ben. KW2 was a heckuva player though, too bad he turned out to be a psychopath

I think I joined in 2001.

I do remember the Taylor, Big Ben, K2 debates. I loved all three guys. I did end up saying we should go w/Big Ben because if you don't have a qb.......you gotta draft one.

I personally hope that we can find upgrades for both.

For the money that we will pay Hubbard to be a back up ... we could have paid Kirko to stay and start.

Just thinking out load...

See. I think this is analytics and strategy. I’m guessing we have slotted amounts of money per position.

That or we’re waiting to cut him after June 1st. I guess 1.6 million of the dead money (2.4 million) would get transferred to 2021 cap. Doesn’t make sense to me though. Lotta money for a bad player. Lotta money for a guard if we kicked him inside.

Just seems we could replace him for less if necessary. Not like his contract expires this year.......

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/chris-hubbard-12939

I agree w/you. I didn't clarify this, but I was thinking of restructuring Hubbard's contract.