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What is your top 5?

Although, i'll get it together quickly (as i always do). Much better to be a positive Browns fan than negative

I know this will sound snarky, but I promise that it is not intended that way.

I think being a realistic Brown's fan is preferable to a positive or negative Brown's fan.

I know this will sound snarky, but I promise that it is not intended that way.

I think being a realistic Brown's fan is preferable to a positive or negative Brown's fan.

3. Wills - A guy I think who will be a very good RT, not quite sure about him as a LT though.

Based on talent alone:

1. Wirfs - I think he would make an elite RT or OG.
2. Thomas - I see him as a very good LT, not quite Joe T's level but a top 7 guy in the league for sure.
3. Wills - A guy I think who will be a very good RT, not quite sure about him as a LT though.
4. Becton - Has a shot to be a very good LT but I don't see his floor as being as high as that of Thomas's.
5. Jones - I think he can be a good LT but not on Thomas or Becton's level.

A few guys I like who aren't likely to go in the 1st rnd:

RT/OG Robert Hunt - Louisiana-Lafayette

RT Lucas Niang - TCU

OG Shane Lemieux - Oregon

2020 NFL Draft: Andrew Thomas is the best all-around tackle prospect

By Eric Eager
Feb 25, 2020

It’s NFL Combine week! As PFF descends on Indianapolis, it’s good to shed light on what we already know about some of the top prospects — it will help us put into context what a great week would do to sharpen our projections of the players moving forward.

Last week, I looked at do-everything Clemson defender Isaiah Simmons and Washington State quarterback Anthony Gordon, using our college-to-pro simulation of performance during a player’s first five seasons in the NFL. Such simulations use our play-by-play college and pro grades, adjust them for context and fold in athletic data like age, size and measurements to be entered at this week’s combine (and in the coming months’ pro days). Athleticism measures are imputed using a k-nearest neighbors approach until they are (if ever) known.

This week, we’re going to look at a player regarded by our draft experts Austin Gayle and Mike Renner as the best offensive tackle prospect: Andrew Thomas of Georgia. While Georgia’s offense struggled quite a bit in 2019, Thomas did not, earning over a fifth of a win above average, the fifth-best mark among tackles in college football. A starter since his true freshman year at Georgia, Thomas allowed only nine total pressures during his third and final season with the Bulldogs.

How Thomas Projects as a Pass Protector

When projecting Thomas to the NFL, the first thing we’ll look at is pass blocking (obviously), where he is a top-three prospect in terms of win rate and pressure rate allowed — in a cluster with fellow first-round prospect Tristan Wirfs and top-100 prospect Jack Driscoll of Auburn. His projected win rate as a pass protector is below the average of current NFL players, and his projected pressure rate allowed is also below average:

Andrew Thomas’ projected win rate (left) and pressure rate allowed (right) in the context-free environment with median projected combine performance relative to height and weight.

These projections are context-free and don’t include any combine or pro-day data. In that setting, Thomas’ comps are Russell Okung, Dion Dawkins, Morgan Moses and Jawaan Taylor. If Thomas tests as an above-average athlete with respect to pass blocking, his comps become much better (Laremy Tunsil, David Bakhtiari, Cordy Glenn, Kelvin Beachum).

Andrew Thomas’ projected win rate (left) and pressure rate allowed (right) in the context-free environment with an above-average projected combine performance relative to height and weight.

Thus, the team that drafts Thomas is going to, on average, get a good pass-protecting tackle. As my colleague Timo Riski wrote about earlier, it might take time for this to develop. But assuming that needs have been met at quarterback, receiver and coverage positions on the other side of the ball, Thomas projects as a good component to a passing game.

How Thomas Projects as a Run Blocker

While running the football is not as important as passing, being a liability in the run game is certainly worse than not being one. Luckily for his future team, Thomas is not a liability in the run game, projecting with a higher win rate than the average tackle while not losing in the run game much more than the NFL average. Thomas’ projected, context-free win rate is second in his class to Matt Hennessy of Temple, and his projected loss rate the fourth best. Such a projection is pretty stable with respect to scheme used and, of course, gets better if his combine/pro-day performance is better than expectation:

Conclusion

Andrew Thomas is the best all-around tackle prospect in this draft, projecting near the top of the class as a pass protector and a run blocker. While there are other prospects that project (slightly) higher than him in one facet or the other, no one blends the two better than the three-year starter out of Georgia. This is consistent with what our draft analysts believe after poring through the tape, which strengthens the conclusions of this purely data-driven projection.

While NFL teams have viewed tackle as one of the more valuable positions in the NFL, we've found that elite play at the position is less valuable than poor play is detrimental. Thus there is a risk that slow development at the position might hurt a team more than elite play later in a draft pick’s career will help it.

That said, pass protection has been on the downswing league-wide for some time now. If Thomas can buck that trend for an offensive-line-needy team, especially in the middle of the first round (rather than at the top), the pick will be viewed favorably for years to come.


https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-andrew-thomas-georgia

I get where you are coming from w/the ZBS thing. And I agree it is important because we don't want to put a mauler in the ZBS.

However, Haslam changes coaching staffs constantly. I think it might be best to draft the guy who is your top-rated player rather than just best in scheme. Who knows, next year we could be back to Man blocking.

Good to know. I recognize that you have studied these guys a lot more than I have.

I just started researching recently. I really like Thomas. What are your thoughts on him?

1. Andrew Thomas UGA
2. Jedrick Wills Jr. ALABAMA
3. Mekhi Becton Louisville
4. Tristan Wirfs IOWA
5. Austin Jackson USC

I will say that he might not seem as dynamic as a couple of others, but overall.........I think this dude will be a plug in and play starter for at least a decade. I see very little bust potential.

Andrew Thomas, a four-star recruit coming out of Atlanta’s Pace Academy, narrowed down his 29 offers to Notre Dame, Clemson and Georgia before committing to the Bulldogs in July 2016. Per Jeff Sentellof DawgNation, Andrew and his dad, Andre Thomas, decided UGA was the best fit for him a month prior to announcing his decision to go to Athens. “We didn’t establish a second team for Andrew,” Andre said, per Sentell. “There wasn’t another school which finished right behind. There was just Georgia.” Thomas earned a 68.4 overall grade, 76.7 PFF pass-blocking grade and a 63.8 PFF run-defense grade across 917 offensive snaps at right tackle as a true freshman at Georgia. And his production only got better from there. The 6-foot -5, 320-pounder recorded an 80.6 overall grade in his first year at left tackle in 2018 and a career-high 92.4 overall grade at the same position in 2019. He also earned an 89.0 PFF pass-blocking grade and a 91.3 PFF run-blocking grade as a true junior this past season. His grading profile is up there with the best in this year’s offensive tackle class

Here is a PFF Edge report on Thomas:

I have just begun to study Wills.

I see that he is a bit short and light for a LT. I see that he has great feet. Very quick. I like that. Very good hips. He bends well and can rotate well. That's important as a pass blocking LT. Like Thomas, he recovers well and plays mean. On the negative side, he overextends at times. Sometimes gets beat to the inside. He's a bit shorter than ideal for a LT.

I have to watch more game tape of him. Still in the process.

Not really interested in arguing. I don't know enough about any of them to get into that. Just going off of what I have watched and read. And that isn't all that much.